Appy Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 And picking Fox is your version of 'keeeping it tight' .........not very tight then.... Who would you pick instead then? He is the only option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLY Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 And picking Fox is your version of 'keeeping it tight' .........not very tight then.... Not much choice is there at the moment though? I'd like to see Luke Shaw given a chance but it might be a bit too soon for him yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 And picking Fox is your version of 'keeeping it tight' .........not very tight then.... My mistake, I should have put Luke Shaw in there. Or Ryan Dickson. They're obviously better options than the only senior left back at the club. Good point, Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 I honestly think if we can get 4 points from the next two games, then things will look a lot brighter, Adkins will be given time and hopefully posters on here will be happier and stop biting each other's heads off. However, if we can't get a win either tomorrow or the weekend, then I accept something will have to give. Until matchday 11 is over, I am still optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 I honestly think if we can get 4 points from the next two games, then things will look a lot brighter, Adkins will be given time and hopefully posters on here will be happier and stop biting each other's heads off. However, if we can't get a win either tomorrow or the weekend, then I accept something will have to give. Until matchday 11 is over, I am still optimistic. Even if we had a good win tomorrow and kept a clean sheet people would still be moaning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 And picking Fox is your version of 'keeeping it tight' .........not very tight then.... This is the problem, there isn't another option. This is as good as we have. I don't believe Dickson is even championship quality, Shaw is too inexperienced and Reeves isn't really a left back. We'll have to deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Danny Fox has struggled badly so far, no doubt about it. That doesn't mean he shouldn't be in our side until January, though. I don't think he's so bad that he is going to get found out every week, many players of his quality have performed fine in the PL; he might cost us the odd goal here and there but its an exaggeration to say that he will be definitely be torn apart at the Hawthorns. Time for our defence, and Fox, Jos and Fonte in particular to 'batten down the hatches' as Nigel has said. We had the 3rd best defensive record in the Championship last season - they are capable of doing far better than they have shown so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 If we get a corner, we should try this little manouevre. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0119zcPbOuE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Danny Fox has struggled badly so far, no doubt about it. That doesn't mean he shouldn't be in our side until January, though. I don't think he's so bad that he is going to get found out every week, many players of his quality have performed fine in the PL; he might cost us the odd goal here and there but its an exaggeration to say that he will be definitely be torn apart at the Hawthorns. Time for our defence, and Fox, Jos and Fonte in particular to 'batten down the hatches' as Nigel has said. We had the 3rd best defensive record in the Championship last season - they are capable of doing far better than they have shown so far. But we played differently in the CCC. How exposed these guys are in the PL is criminal, they just have no protection. I had a look at some highlights today, and the ease of which the oppositions front 3 run directly at our back 4 is frightening and it happens game after game. When Nige was on about a ''change of tactics'' in pre-season, I assumed it was a more defensive themed tactic which continued to offer goal threat - but it seems to be the complete opposite, which is crazy. I too, don't believe our CB's would be as bad if they were given a bit of cover and protection, and I think we'd have more points. We'd probably have scored less goals, but I'd be pretty confident in saying that we'd have more points than we do. Ok - They're not world beaters, they're pretty average defenders, and if you're average and are exposed to players like Bale and Cazorla then you are screwed. They need help from the rest of the team. Time for the club to swallow some pride on this failed tactical setup in my opinion. Try it again when we're established and have players that can actually play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 But we played differently in the CCC. How exposed these guys are in the PL is criminal, they just have no protection. I had a look at some highlights today, and the ease of which the oppositions front 3 run directly at our back 4 is frightening and it happens game after game. When Nige was on about a ''change of tactics'' in pre-season, I assumed it was a more defensive themed tactic which continued to offer goal threat - but it seems to be the complete opposite, which is crazy. I too, don't believe our CB's would be as bad if they were given a bit of cover and protection, and I think we'd have more points. We'd probably have scored less goals, but I'd be pretty confident in saying that we'd have more points than we do. Ok - They're not world beaters, they're pretty average defenders, and if you're average and are exposed to players like Bale and Cazorla then you are screwed. They need help from the rest of the team. Time for the club to swallow some pride on this failed tactical setup in my opinion. Try it again when we're established and have players that can actually play it. I've seen a fair few of our games this season and I really don't think our defensive problems are down to a change away from 4-4-2. 4-3-3 is meant to allow us to keep better possession, and the three central midfielders should be able to provide as good cover for the defence as a four man midfield, especially when you consider that it becomes a 4-5-1 when out of possession. I'm not convinced the change in tactics is to blame for our poor defensive displays. There have been far too many individual errors when put under any kind of pressure at all. That is down to mental toughness and resilience; the WHU game was a perfect example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Dani King the Olympic medallist has stuck a finger up at Lawros prediction of 2-0 to WBA and gone for a 3-0 Saints win. Top girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Danny Fox has struggled badly so far, no doubt about it. That doesn't mean he shouldn't be in our side until January, though. I don't think he's so bad that he is going to get found out every week, many players of his quality have performed fine in the PL; he might cost us the odd goal here and there but its an exaggeration to say that he will be definitely be torn apart at the Hawthorns. Time for our defence, and Fox, Jos and Fonte in particular to 'batten down the hatches' as Nigel has said. We had the 3rd best defensive record in the Championship last season - they are capable of doing far better than they have shown so far. I know what you are saying but at least twice now on MOTD Hansen has drawn a bloody great square area where the opposition have licence to run into and do what the hell they like at whatever speed they like. That area is where other teams station what is commonly known as a left back. Wether Fox is bloody rubbish or not could he please please more often than not actually fill that big open space with his body when the other team is on the attack so that the opposition have got something to think about ! In two instances last week Lallana was shown racing back into that area like a mad thing. Lallana that is, NOT Fox !!! You do not have to be Alex bloody Ferguson to know which area to target. Bet you WBA have a field day down their right side like everyone else has this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 I know what you are saying but at least twice now on MOTD Hansen has drawn a bloody great square area where the opposition have licence to run into and do what the hell they like at whatever speed they like. That area is where other teams station what is commonly known as a left back. Wether Fox is bloody rubbish or not could he please please more often than not actually fill that big open space with his body when the other team is on the attack so that the opposition have got something to think about ! In two instances last week Lallana was shown racing back into that area like a mad thing. Lallana that is, NOT Fox !!! You do not have to be Alex bloody Ferguson to know which area to target. Bet you WBA have a field day down their right side like everyone else has this season. This is correct, and what is worse because he doesn't fill the space that a LB should the rest of the defence gets pulled across to cover for his inability which then leaves us not just stretched but exposed on the left side as well. The problem is that there is currently no solution to the problem, unless we are still able to sign an out of contract player into our squad (jury is out whether we have a vacancy or not), so we have to stick with what we have got, because it is surely better than playing a CB (Yoshi) at LB. For one short period in a game we actually had what looked like a decent solution when Frazer replaced Clyne who then went to LB. Not ideal but better than what we have for sure. On top of all that wha I hate more than anything about Fox is that every time he gets skinned and we concede due to his mistake, he is always to be seen hands on hips facing the goal with a "who can I blame" look on his face. Come the January revolution it should be tally-ho to Mr Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 If Fox keeps getting too tight to the centre-back, and leaving a massive gap wide, why isn't someone shouting at him to get into position. I was a keeper and was always shouting at my defence if they went wandering. Maybe the positions he takes up are where they want him. If not, I'd be screaming at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Dani King the Olympic medallist has stuck a finger up at Lawros prediction of 2-0 to WBA and gone for a 3-0 Saints win. Top girl. Forgive me, I don't understand. Why is ok for her to predict a saints win when everyone who says have a chance on here gets shouted down by the usual suspects, you included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 The level of shouting down apparently being done on this board seems to be getting out of hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 The level of shouting down apparently being done on this board seems to be getting out of hand. You are one of the main culprits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Oh dear MLG, I was being ironical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Oh dear MLG, I was being ironical. It was obvious. Mlg doesn't do sarcasm or irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 Dani King the Olympic medallist has stuck a finger up at Lawros prediction of 2-0 to WBA and gone for a 3-0 Saints win. Top girl. Yeah I saw that on Friday and nearly coughed the coffee I was drinking over the laptop! I had looked down to the prediction of 0-3 before reading she was a Saints fan! An optimimistic one at that. Heck, I'll take 0-1 and dance in the street at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 Drug taking is rife in Olympic sport obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 Drug taking is rife in Olympic sport obviously Ha ha true. She is quite tasty too if anyone has the time to post a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 We need to be very tight tonight, if in doubt lump it out, anyone looking to tear us a new one take him out and finally use a formation that allows us to get players behind the ball 4-5-1. Give Ram a free role while everyone works hard arou d him as he has the quality to find that special ball for breakers. Boruc Richardson Fonte Mushi Clyne Cork Puncheon Spider Ramirez Jrod Lambert Lallana on the bench as he does not track back enough, but an able replacement for Ramirez on the 60th minute mark while Davis swaps with Cork and some quick legs for Lambert on the 80th minute. (depending on the score) Keep it tight with a solid formation please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 But we played differently in the CCC. How exposed these guys are in the PL is criminal, they just have no protection. I had a look at some highlights today, and the ease of which the oppositions front 3 run directly at our back 4 is frightening and it happens game after game. When Nige was on about a ''change of tactics'' in pre-season, I assumed it was a more defensive themed tactic which continued to offer goal threat - but it seems to be the complete opposite, which is crazy. I too, don't believe our CB's would be as bad if they were given a bit of cover and protection, and I think we'd have more points. We'd probably have scored less goals, but I'd be pretty confident in saying that we'd have more points than we do. Ok - They're not world beaters, they're pretty average defenders, and if you're average and are exposed to players like Bale and Cazorla then you are screwed. They need help from the rest of the team. Time for the club to swallow some pride on this failed tactical setup in my opinion. Try it again when we're established and have players that can actually play it. Not at all. Pure wishful thinking. Our fullbacks were also very exposed in the NPC under the narrow diamond we generally played. Doing that in the premiership would lead to similar, if not worse results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 I am very nervous about this one. I would settle for a draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Paul C Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 Keep it simple - 4-5-1 tonight please. ---------- Boruc ---------- Clyne - Fonte - Yoshida - Fox ------- Schniderlin (DM) ------- -Cork (MCR) -- Davis (MC) -- Lallana (MCL) -------- Ramirez (AM) --------- ---- Lambert (CF) -------------- With Gaston dropping back to form a MF 5 when the pressure is on and pushing forward when attacking. If the full backs overlap MF then the MCR/L need to drop in to fill the space. Also allow either Davis or Morgan to attack but NOT AT THE SAME TIME !!! We must always have at least a back 4 to defend.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 It was obvious. Mlg doesn't do sarcasm or irony. So you have joined in the shouting down of MLG after he responded to a post about shouting down? Seems like you don't do irony either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 So you have joined in the shouting down of MLG after he responded to a post about shouting down? Seems like you don't do irony either. Next we will have infringed his human rights and he will be suing all and sundry on here. Whats with the we can't take criticism or digs? Sticks and stones etc. Am i allowed to call a spade a spade or have i got to call it a shovel now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibizasaint Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 1-2 ...Saints to show the fight that will keep us up. COYR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 Whoever does irony can you let me know, I pay £3 per shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 Whoever does irony can you let me know, I pay £3 per shirt. Its not my housemaid at the moment, asked for a shirt 4hrs ago and still waiting for it to come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 Lallana on the bench as he does not track back enough, but an able replacement for Ramirez on the 60th minute mark while Davis swaps with Cork and some quick legs for Lambert on the 80th minute. (depending on the score) . I think that may have been true earlier in the season but you obviously did not see the Spurs game whene Al played more in the LB role than Danny Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 4-4-2 Gazza Clyne-Fonte-Yoshida-Fox Ramirez-Morgan-Davis-Lallana Jay Rod-Lambert Bench Davis, Cork, Puncheon, Shaw, Ward Prowse, Joss Get at them down the wings............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 4-4-2 Gazza Clyne-Fonte-Yoshida-Fox Ramirez-Morgan-Davis-Lallana Jay Rod-Lambert Bench Davis, Cork, Puncheon, Shaw, Ward Prowse, Joss Get at them down the wings............. If we play 442 then we'll get absolutely torn to bits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 I know what you are saying but at least twice now on MOTD Hansen has drawn a bloody great square area where the opposition have licence to run into and do what the hell they like at whatever speed they like. That area is where other teams station what is commonly known as a left back. Wether Fox is bloody rubbish or not could he please please more often than not actually fill that big open space with his body when the other team is on the attack so that the opposition have got something to think about ! In two instances last week Lallana was shown racing back into that area like a mad thing. Lallana that is, NOT Fox !!! You do not have to be Alex bloody Ferguson to know which area to target. Bet you WBA have a field day down their right side like everyone else has this season. I was watching Lallana before he set off on the 'mad thing' runs. He was just dawdling about in midfield watching the play down our right side. There was no reading of the potential threat and when the ball was switched across he was miles away. As the criticism is mainly of Fox, Lallana should get his share. He and Puncheon especially have to wake up and immediately move into a covering position if we lose the ball, that way we screen the back four. Unless Lallana gets a handle on it he should be left out. Mayuka was particularly good in covering after he was brought on. We are conceding twice as many goals as we are scoring and the management are going to have to get ruthless with the so called untouchables unless they defend properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 Woke up in a positive mood this morning. Think we might snatch something from this. If we play like we know we're capable I think we can go there and get a convincing win....3-1. But we're also capable of losing 4-1 if our inability to defend carries on. Let's just hope it's clicked in training this week. *prays* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 ------------Boruc------------ Clyne--Fonte---Yoshi----Fox ------Morgan-----Cork------ ------------Davis------------ -Ramirez-----------Lallana- ----------Lambert----------- Rotating front 3 Exactly how i'd play it. Strong defensive setup with Cork hopefully back in and Davis offering that extra bit of protection in a proper midfield 3. Ramirez and Lallana offer the ability to drift in and out and as you said, rotate with each other to create a fluid attacking movement. Rigid defensive setup, do your own job first. fluid attacking movement, float and get on the ball in the attacking 1/3 and cause issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 I was watching Lallana before he set off on the 'mad thing' runs. He was just dawdling about in midfield watching the play down our right side. There was no reading of the potential threat and when the ball was switched across he was miles away. As the criticism is mainly of Fox, Lallana should get his share. He and Puncheon especially have to wake up and immediately move into a covering position if we lose the ball, that way we screen the back four. Unless Lallana gets a handle on it he should be left out. Mayuka was particularly good in covering after he was brought on. We are conceding twice as many goals as we are scoring and the management are going to have to get ruthless with the so called untouchables unless they defend properly. With the gaps the full-backs are leaving, any midfielder in the world would be hard-pushed to cover the full-back. We're just not organised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 ------------Boruc------------ Clyne--Fonte---Yoshi----Fox ------Morgan-----Cork------ ------------Davis------------ -Ramirez-----------Lallana- ----------Lambert----------- Rotating front 3 Spot on I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 Be interesting to see what happens in goal. Saints said they were taking the Boruc incident very seriously, rumours of Gazza going out on loan and not been in the squad for a few weeks, and Davis not being good enough.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
influx Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 This cheered me up no end! A skate wishing the baggies good luck for tonight and getting short shrift from them!! http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=550&fid=255&sty=2&act=1&mid=2113833925 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 This cheered me up no end! A skate wishing the baggies good luck for tonight and getting short shrift from them!! http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=550&fid=255&sty=2&act=1&mid=2113833925 HAHAHAHAHAAA Hilarious. How embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 Dani King the Olympic medallist has stuck a finger up at Lawros prediction of 2-0 to WBA and gone for a 3-0 Saints win. Top girl. I was originally going to say what does a woman know about football, but having seen that she is a Saints Fan, I realise she has good taste and upbringing!! No doubt my optimism will be shot down in flames later tonight, but I also had a vision of 3-0 to us earlier today. Who knows, it can't be often that WBA go into a match being nailed on favourites, they might not be quite as focused as usual... straw clutching ahoy!! If Ramirez is fully fit we may just have enough about us to pull it off. I bloody well hope so, out drinking and watching it till 2 am at The Barasti beach bar in balmy mid 20's temps is tough work you know!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 Does anyone else think that Cork playing RB with Clyne switching to LB is an option until January? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 Does anyone else think that Cork playing RB with Clyne switching to LB is an option until January? I think they may get a bit tired playing that long. Is it a Guiness Book of Records attempt? 2 square pegs in round holes - asking for trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 With the gaps the full-backs are leaving, any midfielder in the world would be hard-pushed to cover the full-back. We're just not organised. And the wide midfielders are not helping by not defending properly. That's what comes with thinking players can play 'off the cuff' like Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 Forgive me, I don't understand. Why is ok for her to predict a saints win when everyone who says have a chance on here gets shouted down by the usual suspects, you included. I am sure you dont understand. She is standing up for us in the national media, and against that perennial Saints-hater, Mark Lawrenson. I also have no indication that she is a tedious head-in-the-sand happy clapper like those on this site, since to the best of my knowledge she doesnt post. She also is quite cute, has nice norks, and the sort of thighs that will squeeze every last sperm out of your body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 I am sure you dont understand. She is standing up for us in the national media, and against that perennial Saints-hater, Mark Lawrenson. I also have no indication that she is a tedious head-in-the-sand happy clapper like those on this site, since to the best of my knowledge she doesnt post. She also is quite cute, has nice norks, and the sort of thighs that will squeeze every last sperm out of your body. :lol: Pretty much the only times Lawrenson has been wrong in his predictions this season have been when he tipped us to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 :lol: Pretty much the only times Lawrenson has been wrong in his predictions this season have been when he tipped us to win. I remember the start of every season when we were in the PL last time, and he had started working as a pundit. He was always asked "whos going down" and everytime, the first team out of the hat was "Southampton". He comes from that breed of Liverpool/Manyoo player who resented making the long journey down-and-back (and therefore losing their Saturday night) to that pokey club with that pokey stadium and being butt-f*cked in front of the national media Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 5 November, 2012 Share Posted 5 November, 2012 I remember the start of every season when we were in the PL last time, and he had started working as a pundit. He was always asked "whos going down" and everytime, the first team out of the hat was "Southampton". He comes from that breed of Liverpool/Manyoo player who resented making the long journey down-and-back (and therefore losing their Saturday night) to that pokey club with that pokey stadium and being butt-f*cked in front of the national media Well, until the move to St. Mary's, pretty much every season we nearly did go down. We were perennial relegation candidates at the Dell. Probably easier to believe in the whole BBC bias against us though, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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