Thedelldays Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 So who would be the third CM? Jwp? Yep. At least for fuk sake try and make us a little more solid We are far too easy to beat. Why aid that by being so bloody attacking Far worse teams than is with supposedly worse managers have been promotes to the prem an made a better fist of it than our shower of Shyte. Paul jewel and phil brown managed to stay up with squads not as good as ours and they are supposed to be crap managers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 It's true though If you think we can go to WBA and go for it, you would be mistaken Our goals again, recent form and straight losses on the road... All by a fair few would tell you that If I had your attitude towards my club, I would go get another interest. Seriously. Would you rather we went and lost 2-0 and sat back like we did last night, or would you rather we went and use our strength which is attacking, and maybe nicking a result but also maybe getting beat 3-2 or soemthing. I know what I'd rather as someone who goes to games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 If I had your attitude towards my club, I would go get another interest. Seriously. Would you rather we went and lost 2-0 and sat back like we did last night, or would you rather we went and use our strength which is attacking, and maybe nicking a result but also maybe getting beat 3-2 or soemthing. I know what I'd rather as someone who goes to games... I want us to stay up. As it stands we are on course to go down with little points and record goals against Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I want us to stay up. As it stands we are on course to go down with little points and record goals against And...? I'd rather we had a go and tried to play good football than going everywhere trying to nick a draw and failing anyway. I've never really had a problem with your posts on this forum, but the last few weeks every single thread which I seem to click on it's full of your negativity. Maybe if you had a bit of belief and got behind the team, maybe you may be able to see some positives in what we're doing. Or maybe you're just a half empty kind of guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Yep. At least for fuk sake try and make us a little more solid We are far too easy to beat. Why aid that by being so bloody attacking Far worse teams than is with supposedly worse managers have been promotes to the prem an made a better fist of it than our shower of Shyte. Paul jewel and phil brown managed to stay up with squads not as good as ours and they are supposed to be crap managers I can understand that - guess its a case of ensuring that those 3 CMs play like they did against Man U and don't drop off like they did against Arsenal. Playing Mayuka up top would help push teams back but Jrod/Lambert/Lallana will get the nod if JWP comes in. Which is a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 What does posting on here have anything to do with getting behind the team... When I go of course I do. Fact is. We are utter crap... Far worse teams with worse managers have been better than us and IMO, we are getting worse So what does it matter what is posted on here. We are in serious trouble Also, who says you can't have a go whilst being more defensive Strachan never had a problem with us scoring despite clearly setting us up as a defensive unit We were solid all over the park.. Even playing a defensive midfielder on one of the wide posititions. And a work horse striker in ohmygod Never had a problem then in scoring and beating teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Only Man City have more Home points this season. Only ponts dropped at home were to Man City who scored in 80th and injury time (sound familiar?), 4 straight away defeats at an average of 4-1 per game for us ............ and it's on Sky - what could possibly go wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Cork is back in full training and has to start as part of a solid middle three. NA has a habit of taking his time with players coming back from injury but I do not think we have any choice. JWP isnt ready yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Cork is back in full training and has to start as part of a solid middle three. NA has a habit of taking his time with players coming back from injury but I do not think we have any choice. JWP isnt ready yet. If he was going to have a chance to play on Monday, he would have atleast played an hour last night. Asking for trouble putting in a player who hasn't played a full competitive game since last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I fear this is Adkins last game in charge if we lose. If that be so then I hope we have a new man lined up and ready to start work next Wednesday. Please no more Dean Wilkins interim periods. Anyway if NA was going to be sacked it should have been at the International Break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 --------------------BORUC----------------- CLYNE----FONTE-----MAYA-------FOX -------DAVIS----MORGAN---LALLANA MAYUKA-------LAMBERT------JAYROD Subs: Gazza, Richardson/Reeves, Hooiveld, JWP, Cork, Puncheon, Guly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 --------------------BORUC----------------- CLYNE----FONTE-----MAYA-------FOX -------DAVIS----MORGAN---LALLANA MAYUKA-------LAMBERT------JAYROD Subs: Gazza, Richardson/Reeves, Hooiveld, JWP, Cork, Puncheon, Guly ridiculously offensive side, it's JRod or Lambert not both.l Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 --------------------BORUC----------------- CLYNE----FONTE-----MAYA-------FOX -------DAVIS----MORGAN---LALLANA MAYUKA-------LAMBERT------JAYROD Subs: Gazza, Richardson/Reeves, Hooiveld, JWP, Cork, Puncheon, Guly I'd switch JWP/Guly for Lallana and play Lallana instead of Jrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 It is difficult to be optimistic after tonight's diabolical display. It's a compleltely different team FFS. It's like saying we won't win because the U21's didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanimal Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Please no Boruc, Yoshida Davis or Puncheon. They have added nothing to the squad or team other than division. We need a TEAM!! Balance. PACE!! A goalkeeper that can distribute - Gazza; A CB that can head and will at least try to tackle - Jos; Cork the missing link and then either Mayuka or Ramirez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Yoshida is okay. He is quick and was okay 2nd half vs spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 We'll win and all will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 We'll win and all will be fine. we might well do just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Yoshi actually reads the game very well and is a good defender. Davis is one of those players who fans don't appreciate what he brings to the side. Once we have a consistent side I think we'll be ok. Boruc Clyne Fonte Yoshi Fox Davis Morgan Punch Lallana J-Rod Lambert Maybe put in Mayuka for Punch but think Mayuka offers more from the bench. Also possibly JWP in for J-Rod and start them 3 in the middle with Lallana wide. Although I think J-Rod offers more defensively than Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 - - - - - - - Boruc Clyne - Fonte - Yoshi - Fox - - - - - - Morgan - - - - - - - - - Davis - - - - JWP Mayuka - - - - - - - Lallana - - - - - - Lambert Morgan should sit in front of the back 4 and not let anything past him, much the same as Huddlestone did on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 (edited) ------------------------- Boruc ---------------------------- Richardson/Clyne--- Fonte ----- Yoshida ---------- Clyne/Fox -------- Davis ------------------------ Schneiderlin --------- ------------------------ Lallana ---------------------------- ------- Mayuka ------------------------- Lambert ---------- ---------------------- Rodriguez --------------------------- Bench: Davis/Gazza, Reeves, Hooiveld, Cork, Ramirez (if in contention), Ward-Prowse, Puncheon/Guly/Lee (2 from 3 if Ramirez not in contention; 1 from 3 if he is) If Richardson is fit I would play him at right back and Clyne at left back (out of position I know, but he played well there vs Villa). Failing that, stick with Clyne and Fox. If Ramirez has recovered from his injury but isn't "match fit" I would have him on the bench. The front 3 are the ones that I struggle most to place. I'm thinking Rodriguez should play up top because he has more pace than Lambert and should be high on confidence after getting his first Premier League goal on Sunday. I also noticed that Lambert started playing a bit deeper and wider after Mayuka came on vs Spurs so could he slot into that kind of role from the outset maybe? Anyway, some combination of Lambert, Mayuka and Rodriguez up front for me. Edited 31 October, 2012 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 - - Morgan should sit in front of the back 4 and not let anything past him, much the same as Huddlestone did on Sunday. trouble with that is that it deprives us of his creative talent further forward. Davis can't play the role because he can't tackle and isn't all that quick in his vision of the game. I'd give the role to JWP and let Morgan play a weeny bit further forward because that's where he's at his finest. Think it was that way against Utd and maybe City. Against the Arse Davis was on anchor in the first half but it was a disaster and NA turned it round in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 433 worked with three strikers because of a bit of pace and striker movement, it won't work with static wide men. It has to be Mayuka, Lambert and Rodriguez at the front to make that work. Mayuka and Rodriguez are both decent at closing down wide and anticipating the full back threat. Davis holding in midfield with Schneiderlin and Lallana attacking when possible. I like Reeves and even if Fox was in the back four we would give goals away on our left. I think I'd like to see a back four of Clyne, Fonte, Yoshida, and Reeves. But Gazzaniga should play in goal. I just hope we don't go 451 as a basic system, in spite of the fact 433 at times defending can become 451. Furthermore leave the three strikers up at defensive corners as we did v Spurs in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 BORUC CLYNE---FONTE---YOSHI---FOX ---------MORGAN--DAVIS------ --MAYUKA--RAMIREZ---LALLANA ------------LAMBERT------------- Play the way we play, we arent good enough to sit back and invite pressure tbh, we would get killed. If we have to lump it to Lambert than so be it. Must must must win this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 BORUC CLYNE---FONTE---YOSHI---FOX ---------MORGAN--DAVIS------ --MAYUKA--RAMIREZ---LALLANA ------------LAMBERT------------- Play the way we play, we arent good enough to sit back and invite pressure tbh, we would get killed. If we have to lump it to Lambert than so be it. Must must must win this one. We are getting killed playing the way we play. We need to play the way someone else plays. Not sitting back nescessarily but we certainly need to be a lot tighter and more organised at the back. I wouldn't chuck Ramirez straight into the starting line up after a fairly long injury lay off. I'm expecting to lose this game, Ramirez or not, so I would personally save him for the Swans when he will be a week fitter and could potentially make the difference. The last thing we need is him getting clobbered and missing another month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 BORUC CLYNE---FONTE---YOSHI---FOX ---------MORGAN--DAVIS------ --MAYUKA--RAMIREZ---LALLANA ------------LAMBERT------------- Play the way we play, we arent good enough to sit back and invite pressure tbh, we would get killed. If we have to lump it to Lambert than so be it. Must must must win this one. That's part of the problem, Lambert isn't good enough at PL level to shoulder a lone striker role. We can't just lump it forward to Lambert because it will come straight back at us and probably down the wings where we're weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 - - - - - - - Boruc Clyne - Fonte - Yoshi - Fox - - - - - - Morgan - - - - - - - - - Davis - - - - JWP Mayuka - - - - - - - Lallana - - - - - - Lambert Morgan should sit in front of the back 4 and not let anything past him, much the same as Huddlestone did on Sunday. Yep-that's the one for me, Cork replacing JWP when fit. Guly could also go in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Play without fear ! Attacking formation !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 - - - - - - - Boruc Clyne - Fonte - Yoshi - Fox - - - - - - Morgan - - - - - - - - - Davis - - - - JWP Mayuka - - - - - - - Lallana - - - - - - Lambert Morgan should sit in front of the back 4 and not let anything past him, much the same as Huddlestone did on Sunday. Good line up that. More solid defensively, but can still very much see us scoring with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 We should be well up for this one. Its only a feeder club for the Skates anyway, we owe them one just for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 We'll win and all will be fine. I hope so... I swear some people on this website are close to having break downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 That's part of the problem, Lambert isn't good enough at PL level to shoulder a lone striker role. We can't just lump it forward to Lambert because it will come straight back at us and probably down the wings where we're weak. Problem is nobody is and 2 upfront means less in the middle of the park. This team has attacking intent, plus possesses a decent possessional advantage if taken and also tge oppurtunity to lump it long to Rickie. The thing is Window, we are good enough full stop however we line up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Problem is nobody is and 2 upfront means less in the middle of the park. This team has attacking intent, plus possesses a decent possessional advantage if taken and also tge oppurtunity to lump it long to Rickie. The thing is Window, we are good enough full stop however we line up To me the solution lies in getting the ball out to wide men who can retain the ball but as Puncheon and Adam both struggle in ball retention we don't have a very obvious solution. I can't wait to see Corky and Gaston back because then we can shove Morgan a bit farther forward because he and Gaston can retain the ball and to boot they're both pretty nippy when they want to be. We just have to get Morgan off of the anchor role and use him further forward as my good friend Ottery so rightly pointed out the other day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 To me the solution lies in getting the ball out to wide men who can retain the ball but as Puncheon and Adam both struggle in ball retention we don't have a very obvious solution. I can't wait to see Corky and Gaston back because then we can shove Morgan a bit farther forward because he and Gaston can retain the ball and to boot they're both pretty nippy when they want to be. We just have to get Morgan off of the anchor role and use him further forward as my good friend Ottery so rightly pointed out the other day. Yeah, I agree somewhat with that. You can see what I was getting at though, personel wise we just arent at the races especially to come up with a positive solution. I agree Re Morgan, great player on the ball, great vision and energy, but who would anchor thr midfield ? I would argue that Corks is as toothless as Davis in the tackling department Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Yeah, I agree somewhat with that. You can see what I was getting at though, personel wise we just arent at the races especially to come up with a positive solution. I agree Re Morgan, great player on the ball, great vision and energy, but who would anchor thr midfield ? I would argue that Corks is as toothless as Davis in the tackling department Cork tackles pretty well and he's a bit more solid physically than Davis (who I do not overly rate) Cork wins headers whereas I don't think davis has much of an attribute in that department and as the anchor man is playing in front of a weak defence a bit of defensive quality (Cork has played RB and CB don't forget) doesn't go amiss. I see Boruc,Frazer,Yoshi,Fonte,Clyne,Cork,Ramirez,Lallana,Morgan,Mayuaka,Rickie as being our strongest possible line up until January at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Morgan won't play further forward, do you watch him play? He's a deep lying playmaker, he sits in front of the defense. Him and Davis offer us a lot passing the ball and interceptions, but although Morgan has improved massively in this department, neither are going to put big tackles in. I wouldn't be surpised to see: ------------Morgan -------Davis-----Cork --Ramirez------------Lallana ----------Rodriguez--------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 - - - - - - - Boruc Clyne - Fonte - Yoshi - Fox - - - - - - Morgan - - - - - - - - - Davis - - - - JWP Mayuka - - - - - - - Lallana - - - - - - Lambert Morgan should sit in front of the back 4 and not let anything past him, much the same as Huddlestone did on Sunday. That's what I would pick for this one too (although if Richardson or Ramirez are fit they would probably be included instead of Fox and Lallana). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 That's part of the problem, Lambert isn't good enough at PL level to shoulder a lone striker role. We can't just lump it forward to Lambert because it will come straight back at us and probably down the wings where we're weak. You do spout some rubbish. Lambert looked pretty good as that va man utd and villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 That's part of the problem, Lambert isn't good enough at PL level to shoulder a lone striker role. We can't just lump it forward to Lambert because it will come straight back at us and probably down the wings where we're weak. lambert is easily good enough..and has proved as such this season already... with lambert, he needs to play regularly...remember in league 1 when he was playing with an injury...only got 20 goals that season.. he needs to play to keep him fit and sharp....sadly, we dont do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itchen_block4 Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 -----------------Boruc Clyne-----Fonte-----Yoshida-----Reeves -----------Davis-----Morgan ----------------Lallana Mayuka-----------------------Rodriguez ---------------Lambert Same team that finished the Spurs match. We really need to show our intent for this one. Proper front 3, overlapping fullbacks, Lallana between the lines, the lot. Clean sheet aint going to happen, so we'll need a couple of goals to chance getting anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 -----------------Boruc Clyne-----Fonte-----Yoshida-----Reeves -----------Davis-----Morgan ----------------Lallana Mayuka-----------------------Rodriguez ---------------Lambert Same team that finished the Spurs match. We really need to show our intent for this one. Proper front 3, overlapping fullbacks, Lallana between the lines, the lot. Clean sheet aint going to happen, so we'll need a couple of goals to chance getting anything. At last somebody gets it. It's the movement of the three strikers that is the key. 433 won't work if it's just a modified 442 with one of the strikers dropped back with the same personnel it needs the three strikers not wide players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 It's another loss I'm afraid to say, although this is one of the matches I would have said we could win at the start of the season. 2-1 WBA. Anything more than 2-1 and Adkins could well be toast. PS: Mayuka to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redder freak Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Well I'm going to this one and I'm expecting us to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 Breaking News ! After the surprising failure of our last night's innovative 'Surrender before Kick off' tactic, I understand we are now planning to field a entirely new defence for this important game. ......................Chaplin...................... Abbot .... Costello .... Laurel .... Hardy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenSaint Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 - - - - - - - Gazza - - - - - - Clyne - Fonte - Yoshi - Shaw - - - - - - Morgan - - - - - - - - - Davis - - - - JWP- - - - Mayuka - - - - - - - Lallana - - - - - - - Lambert - - - - - - This is more of a 433 formation that Barca play of whom we're suppose to be trying to follow. We're playing more like 4231 which aint working (too many attacking minded players). Can't play both JRod and Lambo. Need to play with 3 CM's atm we have too many attacking midfielder's playing. Don't let Guly anywhere near the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 - - - - - - - Gazza - - - - - - Clyne - Fonte - Yoshi - Shaw - - - - - - Morgan - - - - - - - - - Davis - - - - JWP- - - - Mayuka - - - - - - - Lallana - - - - - - - Lambert - - - - - - Can't play both JRod and Lambo. Bet we try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 I think in preparation, folk ought to spend the weekend building a bonfire in the carpark at St Mary's in readiness for if we lose again on Monday night. That way all would be ready for the return from Brum. Nigel would do well to stick a rocket or two up the players backsides to help the players from losing their concentration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Could Ramirez feature? Or is that just pure optimism?! Don't see we can't get get something, they are a team who are over achieving massively. Either way it'll be a high scoring game for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disintegration87 Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Boruc Clyne Fonte Yoshi Fox Spiderman Adz Ramirez Steve Dave Jay Rod Goal Machine Something like this if Ramirez is fit otherwise swap with Guly. Feel Punch Mayuka on bench to make cameos once we are 3-0 down. Does Adz play on the right? I feel Adkins will play Jay Rod and personally a Saints team without Lallana is weaker than a Saints team with a Llama. Rickie scored again WBA in a pre season friendly last season after the taters kept harping on about how fat he is so he’s bound to score on Monday. Would love it if we won. Would absolutely love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 1 November, 2012 Share Posted 1 November, 2012 Don't let Guly anywhere near the team. Odd seeing as though he's actually been pretty good everytime he's played this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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