sammysaint Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 Maybe just me but i feel Cork is our best DM and were be a better team when hes fit, his positioning is quality and he is not about going forward every game and scoring the winner, he is about doing his job and starting the attack by picking out a pass to someone like Lallana, or he is there to break up the attack if were under pressure, i feel him Morgan and Davis should be our midfield when he is fit, i feel he covered alot for the defence last season which aloud Richardson Butters Fox to go forward and play crosses in the box and were missing that cover when attacking or being counter attacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 I reckon it would me of a natural 4-3-3 with Cork playing alongside Davis and Morgan, with Lallana, Lambert and Ramirez playing in front of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ampersound Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 How close is Jack to being fit again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroader07 Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 Yeah I think Davis, Cork and Morgan with Adam and Ramirez is the format for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 I reckon it would me of a natural 4-3-3 with Cork playing alongside Davis and Morgan, with Lallana, Lambert and Ramirez playing in front of them. Pretty decent that, just a shame there's such an horrific back 4 behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 Its not a popular view on here, but I rate Jack Cork higher than Schneiderlin, always have. I think having had him fit would certainly have given us better options against Man United, and would have given us the option for a more secure midfield 3. He appeared in all 46 games last term and I think he's one of our players who has definitely got Premier League quality. Nice lad too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 How close is Jack to being fit again? Involved in today's training session... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 Its not a popular view on here, but I rate Jack Cork higher than Schneiderlin, always have. I think having had him fit would certainly have given us better options against Man United, and would have given us the option for a more secure midfield 3. He appeared in all 46 games last term and I think he's one of our players who has definitely got Premier League quality. Nice lad too. He's no-where near as good as Schneiderlin in my eyes. Cork would be excellent cover to have on the bench though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 The thing Cork does better than anyone else in our team is close the opposition down quickly, when you're working with small margins for success, this is deffinatley 1 of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 Involved in today's training session... Pretty sure he was on the training vids for last week as well, so must be very close to full fitness by now. Possibly see him in the Leeds game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 He's no-where near as good as Schneiderlin in my eyes. Cork would be excellent cover to have on the bench though. As I said, its not a popularly held view, but I think he's much the better player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 if we going to play 433... it would make sense IMO to have 3 CMs in the middle..instead of lambert/lallana/ramirez as one of the 3.....we are far too open i thought we played brilliantly for 80 mins against man u...closed down well and one of the 3 broke from the middle well when attacking.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 I like Cork and thought he had some terrific games last season, although don't forget he was dropped towards the end of the season, but I just have this nagging sense that he doesn't have that really tight control that will enable him to thrive at this level. I hope I am wrong. Wish some of these players get back soon as competition and choice can't do any harm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 if we going to play 433... it would make sense IMO to have 3 CMs in the middle..instead of lambert/lallana/ramirez as one of the 3.....we are far too open i thought we played brilliantly for 80 mins against man u...closed down well and one of the 3 broke from the middle well when attacking.... Could not agree more. If we are going to have wide men that leave fullbacks exposed Davis, Morgan and Ward-Prowse should be the middle three to hopefully fill some of those gaps. Not sure where that leaves Ramirez, but as he's injured it doesn't matter right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 When Gaston is fit, we will build the team around him as he is pure class. Cork is a good player and will give us another option, but lets not build him up to be our saviour just like seems to happen when all our players get injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 Involved in today's training session... He needs to practice his hokey-cokey, he's facing the wrong way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 Put it this way, when Cork is fit there'll be no need for Chaplow to set foot on the pitch, thank fook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 When Gaston is fit, we will build the team around him as he is pure class. That worked well against Everton; thankfully all problems will be solved when Gaston is back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 When Gaston is fit, we will build the team around him as he is pure class. Cork is a good player and will give us another option, but lets not build him up to be our saviour just like seems to happen when all our players get injured. This post is far more realistic than the Jack Cork our 'saviour' posts....Errr Rose tinted glasses anyone.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 Put it this way, when Cork is fit there'll be no need for Chaplow to set foot on the pitch, thank fook. why the hostility? He's never let us down. He has limitations, but he played an important role in many games last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 Its not a popular view on here, but I rate Jack Cork higher than Schneiderlin, always have. I think having had him fit would certainly have given us better options against Man United, and would have given us the option for a more secure midfield 3. He appeared in all 46 games last term and I think he's one of our players who has definitely got Premier League quality. Nice lad too. Totally agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 That worked well against Everton; thankfully all problems will be solved when Gaston is back. Yeah maybe Ramirez didn't do the trick that day. But he did score our only goal. Cork is not going to be our saviour. A cog in the wheel perhaps. But he wouldn't have saved us that day as he wouldn't in any other of our beatings. He most definitely isn't the missing link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 why the hostility? He's never let us down. He has limitations, but he played an important role in many games last season. Nothing against him, like his attitude, but his pass completion rate must be pretty low. Plus it irritates me how people think be cause he's got a skinhead he's a massive hardman and born leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 Yeah maybe Ramirez didn't do the trick that day. But he did score our only goal. Cork is not going to be our saviour. A cog in the wheel perhaps. But he wouldn't have saved us that day as he wouldn't in any other of our beatings. He most definitely isn't the missing link. At the risk of repeating myself......I think he could have made a difference against Man Utd from 2-1 up. At least. And no-one is saying he's the missing link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 Its not a popular view on here, but I rate Jack Cork higher than Schneiderlin, always have. I think having had him fit would certainly have given us better options against Man United, and would have given us the option for a more secure midfield 3. He appeared in all 46 games last term and I think he's one of our players who has definitely got Premier League quality. Nice lad too. here I am agreeing with you AGAIN Kraken, Jack Cork is a player very under-rated when you consider that (since he was a youth player) he played for England at every level - except full international. He was always going to find it difficult to get into the Chelsea side, but his spell at Burnley showed what he could do, and Chelsea may still rue the day they let him go. After his impressive season (as you said) in all 46 games he has been extremely unlucky to get injured, especially after his selection for Team GB...where I think he should have played from the start, I think we'll see a totally revolutionised midfield when he is back, and Ramirez is on song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 the longer he is out the better player he becomes in our minds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 Jack Cork isn't the missing link. Gary Mabbutt is, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 why the hostility? He's never let us down. He has limitations, but he played an important role in many games last season. So have Guly, Fox, Davis, Fonte... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 (edited) We've missed Cork but Schneiderlin's a better and more important player. From being a sub at the start of the season, Morgan displaced both Hammond and Cork to become top dog so that by the end of the season Cork and Hammond were rotating to partner Schneiderlin. Cork started brilliantly but seemed to fade and had a habit of missing when the chips were down. Remember last season at Burnley where Cork/Hammond were woeful, it was Morgan who turned the game around and took control of midfield after coming on as a sub. Never looked back after that game. Still theyre different players- Morgan gives you composure and a bit more defensively while Cork gives you greater movement. Edited 28 October, 2012 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 Matter of opinion regarding Morgan and Jack. Morgan played 42 league appearances and Jack 46 last season...About even steven when you take into account cup games. Both thought by Manager and coaching staff as first team picks ..when fit. Personally.I would also have both Morgan and Jack in the side , together with Davis.. NOT with Morgan as the anchor/pivot/defensive midfielder. We could do with Cork in the side today. On my way shortly and hoping for a win . 3 points and a happy journey back to Devon....... After I have seen bloooody David Essex at The Guildhall.. Things I do to keep females in the family happy. COYS:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 Again this just highlights the poor transfer window. If we genuinely decided to go with 4-3-3 during the summer why not dip into the market for another central midfielder? We heard all about Lallanas central role which he seems to now not be playing so it leaves us with Davis, Cork, Morgan and JWP there, meaning any injures and we are going to be streached. As promising as JWP is it's not the right thing to do or fair on him to rely on him as a first team player, he's only 17 and should be brought through gradually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 Cork is our most underated player. He is calm in possession and plays with a measured authority doing the unglamorous things most fans dont see but which make a huge difference to the effectiveness of a team. If he had played against Man U and Man City we would have at least drawn these games. Likewise I think we would have beaten Wigan. So the difference between bottom three and mid table. That said I don't think he is hairy enough to be the missing link....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 I think he's a bit overrated personally. He runs around a lot therefore a lot of fans think he's a good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 Morgan and Davis are both better than him and it won't be long until JWP is as well. That said it will be good when he is fit and back in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 Again this just highlights the poor transfer window. If we genuinely decided to go with 4-3-3 during the summer why not dip into the market for another central midfielder? We heard all about Lallanas central role which he seems to now not be playing so it leaves us with Davis, Cork, Morgan and JWP there, meaning any injures and we are going to be streached. As promising as JWP is it's not the right thing to do or fair on him to rely on him as a first team player, he's only 17 and should be brought through gradually. So that's a left back, a centre back, a winger and another central midfielder that we should have added to the 8 we brought in? Lallana played in the middle last week at West Ham. I'm pretty sure Adkins also sees Guly, Ramirez and Puncheon as players that can also play in the middle. Reeves is another. How many is that? I know we are struggling right now, but the moaning about who we did and didn't bring in is getting a little boring. Adkins, Reed or Cortese, they all have a say and therefore they are all partially to blame if the new players are not to your liking. It was actually a damn good transfer window and most agreed as much at the time. We certainly strengthened the side and I'm not unhappy with any of the players. I'm glad we overloaded the attacking talent. Barnard, Sharp and Lee don't have nearly the attributes needed to pose a threat at this level so Mayuka and Rodriguez were both needed for me. If like Cork, Lambert had got injured and we'd only brought Rodriguez in there would have been uproar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 (edited) I think he's a bit overrated personally. He runs around a lot therefore a lot of fans think he's a good player. so did whoever hands out the numbers at SFC. When you aren't seen as a starter you get your 1-11 number taken away, apart from Lallana that is. Now if you believe Billy Sharp's tweets it's the chairman who decides that (I hope the Chairman lets me keep my number 11 shirt (to go with his new boots). Edited 28 October, 2012 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 So that's a left back, a centre back, a winger and another central midfielder that we should have added to the 8 we brought in? Lallana played in the middle last week at West Ham. I'm pretty sure Adkins also sees Guly, Ramirez and Puncheon as players that can also play in the middle. Reeves is another. How many is that? I know we are struggling right now, but the moaning about who we did and didn't bring in is getting a little boring. Adkins, Reed or Cortese, they all have a say and therefore they are all partially to blame if the new players are not to your liking. It was actually a damn good transfer window and most agreed as much at the time. We certainly strengthened the side and I'm not unhappy with any of the players. I'm glad we overloaded the attacking talent. Barnard, Sharp and Lee don't have nearly the attributes needed to pose a threat at this level so Mayuka and Rodriguez were both needed for me. If like Cork, Lambert had got injured and we'd only brought Rodriguez in there would have been uproar. I didn't say anything about a winger. A left back and centre back were absolutely vital IMO and Nige seemed to agree with me. If we are going to insist on playing the 4-3-3 then we are also short in midfiled. It's unfair to burden JWP with the repsonsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 I think he's a bit overrated personally. He runs around a lot therefore a lot of fans think he's a good player. Morgan and Davis are both better than him and it won't be long until JWP is as well. That said it will be good when he is fit and back in the squad. So you suggest that Jack Cork runs arouns a lot, and then mention Schneiderlin who according to the stats has run around the most of any other Premier League player (and received loads of plaudits on here for that). Strange analogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 It's unfair to burden JWP with the repsonsibility.not sure we have played him enough. Maybe my eyes have deceived me, but he looks a terrific player to me and ready to play now, especially at home, although I would want him at the front of the three having a bit more freedom than Davies and Morgan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 enjoy the game chaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 enjoy the game chaps. and don't forget Enjoy Carling ..take it easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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