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If you are going to be an arse at least get it right!!

 

Ferguson's first season at utd they finished 11th!!!!!!!!!

 

Finished 2nd in his second season!

 

In his 3rd season he was under pressure from fans to go

 

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Good of Wikipedia to refresh my memory of exactly how bad that third season was, when they finished 11th.

 

Following this and an early season run of six defeats and two draws in eight games, a banner declaring "Three years of excuses and it's still crap...ta-ra Fergie." was displayed at Old Trafford, and many journalists and supporters called for Ferguson to be sacked.

 

But we must overlook this poor 3rd season of Ferguson's reign, as it is overshadowed by the previous season when United were second.

 

I wonder whether CB Fry would consider that 3rd season poor or not?

 

Dazza, your original point in comparing the early career of Ferguson at United, although some time ago, has some validity as it might have happened that after that very poor 8 game sequence in the 89/90 season, he could well have been sacked. Who knows what Adkins might go on to achieve if like Ferguson he is given the chance?

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Good of Wikipedia to refresh my memory of exactly how bad that third season was, when they finished 11th.

 

 

 

But we must overlook this poor 3rd season of Ferguson's reign, as it is overshadowed by the previous season when United were second.

 

I wonder whether CB Fry would consider that 3rd season poor or not?

 

Dazza, your original point in comparing the early career of Ferguson at United, although some time ago, has some validity as it might have happened that after that very poor 8 game sequence in the 89/90 season, he could well have been sacked. Who knows what Adkins might go on to achieve if like Ferguson he is given the chance?

if only we stuck with wigley

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Did Wigley get us back to back promotions? Does Wigley do surreal poetry as an interview response?

no he never...but getting out of league 1 was the very bare minimum that season...last season was very good...that put him up there with the likes of

 

Boothroyd

Brown

Warnock

Jewell

McCarthy

Bruce

Keane

Davies

Mowbray

Dowie

McLeish

 

 

at the mo....most of all did alright in the prem by keeping their teams up with no where near the money spent....

 

I love nigel...but lets not make out something he is not...yet

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Good of Wikipedia to refresh my memory of exactly how bad that third season was, when they finished 11th.

 

 

 

But we must overlook this poor 3rd season of Ferguson's reign, as it is overshadowed by the previous season when United were second.

 

I wonder whether CB Fry would consider that 3rd season poor or not?

 

Dazza, your original point in comparing the early career of Ferguson at United, although some time ago, has some validity as it might have happened that after that very poor 8 game sequence in the 89/90 season, he could well have been sacked. Who knows what Adkins might go on to achieve if like Ferguson he is given the chance?

 

Who cares about the forty thousandth retread of the Alex Ferguson routine? It's been wheeled out on webforums for every single manager we've ever had. Cortese should never have sacked Wotte on this horsesh it logic.

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no he never...but getting out of league 1 was the very bare minimum that season...last season was very good...that put him up there with the likes of

 

Boothroyd

Brown

Warnock

Jewell

McCarthy

Bruce

Keane

Davies

Mowbray

Dowie

McLeish

 

 

at the mo....most of all did alright in the prem by keeping their teams up with no where near the money spent....

 

I love nigel...but lets not make out something he is not...yet

 

Who's making him out to be something he's not? His record of promotions in the lower divisions is fairly hard to beat, both with or without money. He's on a steep learning curve in the Premiership for sure, but all I pointed out, in agreement with Dazza, was that SAF once had a run of results worse than this start that Adkins had and United's faith in him has paid dividends since. I'm not suggesting that he will go on to rival SAF's record.

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Who's making him out to be something he's not? His record of promotions in the lower divisions is fairly hard to beat, both with or without money. He's on a steep learning curve in the Premiership for sure, but all I pointed out, in agreement with Dazza, was that SAF once had a run of results worse than this start that Adkins had and United's faith in him has paid dividends since. I'm not suggesting that he will go on to rival SAF's record.

for every SAF...there are probably hundreds that never worked out.....not very good odds on a multi million pound business...if results do not improve

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Who cares about the forty thousandth retread of the Alex Ferguson routine? It's been wheeled out on webforums for every single manager we've ever had. Cortese should never have sacked Wotte on this horsesh it logic.

 

You obviously cared enough to respond to Dazza's post. As usual, you use a crap analogy in a vain attempt to justify your inability to remember that 3rd season under SAF, when he was under real pressure following a run of results worse than Adkins start in the Premiership. Using the same logic for Wotte is utterly pointless, as I don't recall Wotte getting us back to back promotions. It's just as weak an argument as mentioning Wigley.

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You obviously cared enough to respond to Dazza's post. As usual, you use a crap analogy in a vain attempt to justify your inability to remember that 3rd season under SAF, when he was under real pressure following a run of results worse than Adkins start in the Premiership. Using the same logic for Wotte is utterly pointless, as I don't recall Wotte getting us back to back promotions. It's just as weak an argument as mentioning Wigley.

did SAF get back to back promotions..?

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Did any of those managers on your list?

well...seeing as I dont see coming 2nd in league 1 as any sort of achievement, we couldnt even win the league with the most expensive league 1 squad in history (probably)....promotion to the prem is what counts for me

 

if we hadnt gotten promotion two seasons ago..adkins would have been sacked on the spot and reputation in tatters with the squad he had..

 

last season was very good...we came 2nd by probably playing above ourselves.....many other managers have done that before and will do that since who you would consider terrible

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no he never...but getting out of league 1 was the very bare minimum that season...last season was very good...that put him up there with the likes of

 

Boothroyd

Brown

Warnock

Jewell

McCarthy

Bruce

Keane

Davies

Mowbray

Dowie

McLeish

 

 

at the mo....most of all did alright in the prem by keeping their teams up with no where near the money spent....

 

I love nigel...but lets not make out something he is not...yet

 

 

 

Your sudden conversion Dell days to the anti Adkins team is causing you to lose the plot somewhat. I am not quite sure what you mean by posting that list of managers. Those managers got their teams into the Premiership. I don't think that any of them achieved back to back promotions like NA.

 

For some reason you are discounting the promotion he achieved when getting out of League 1. At the time that he took over you were already writing that season off. This was pointed out to you with much mutual laughter in our celebrations after the Plymouth match.

 

Having achieved what he has achieved doesn't NA deserve more than a handful of games in the Premiership?

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The haunted and scared look in his face tells all. This is not the happy confident person that started the season, it's all beginning to tell as is face shows signs of premature aging. He knows he's in a fight for his job and by this evidence there isn't long to go.

 

What a very strange assessment. He looked extremely positive all the way through the press conference. Would absolutely love a win tomorrow - it could really change the complexion of our season!

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well...seeing as I dont see coming 2nd in league 1 as any sort of achievement, we couldnt even win the league with the most expensive league 1 squad in history (probably)....promotion to the prem is what counts for me

 

if we hadnt gotten promotion two seasons ago..adkins would have been sacked on the spot and reputation in tatters with the squad he had..

 

last season was very good...we came 2nd by probably playing above ourselves.....many other managers have done that before and will do that since who you would consider terrible

 

What you say is true enough if thinking only in terms of achieving it with Saints, with their financial backing. Gaining two promotions with Scun thorpe without money in addition makes his record significant.

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What you say is true enough if thinking only in terms of achieving it with Saints, with their financial backing. Gaining two promotions with Scun thorpe without money in addition makes his record significant.

could not care less about getting promotion to the NPC with s****horpe and how that bare relation to being good enough to succede this season....to be honest

again, many other manager have done that with very small teams....sturrock got 2 promotions in 3 years (to the NPC) by literally using frees and loans......he is a terrible manager in the top 2 leagues

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post here..

 

some doubted you..even as recently as a month ago

some claimed you were not big enough for us..(odd)

 

but fair bloody play

 

came in and we were 22nd, owner died, morale very very low

and took us to 2nd on 92 points and just pipped at the post for the top.

23 clean sheets

7 goals conceeded at home in your tenure

top goal difference

5 players (who dont play for you apparently) in the team of the year

brilliant use of impact players

not scared to change teh system at any time

plays the odd mind game or two

 

 

Mr Adkins.. I salute you. carry on like this and you will be written in Saints folklore

 

:D

 

This was a post that you started Delldays in May 2011 - just after we achieved our promotion from League 1.

 

Isn't it strange that now you claim never to have rated promotion from League 1.

 

Like a liar , an internet troll needs to have a good memory :-0

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could not care less about getting promotion to the NPC with s****horpe and how that bare relation to being good enough to succede this season....to be honest

again, many other manager have done that with very small teams....sturrock got 2 promotions in 3 years (to the NPC) by literally using frees and loans......he is a terrible manager in the top 2 leagues

 

Paul Ince got MK Dons promoted once.i bet Blackburn are kicking themselves at having got rid of him so soon as he could easily have been the new Alex Ferguson.

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This was a post that you started Delldays in May 2011 - just after we achieved our promotion from League 1.

 

Isn't it strange that now you claim never to have rated promotion from League 1.

 

Like a liar , an internet troll needs to have a good memory :-0

and he will always be a legend.....mans jack shyt about being good enough this season..

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I think it is a shame that some find this (staged) interview cringeworthy. Adkins has got to stick to his principles when things aren't going well, otherwise they are pointless. I have a lot of respect for him and the way he conducts himself - poems included.

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could not care less about getting promotion to the NPC with s****horpe and how that bare relation to being good enough to succede this season....to be honest

again, many other manager have done that with very small teams....sturrock got 2 promotions in 3 years (to the NPC) by literally using frees and loans......he is a terrible manager in the top 2 leagues

 

Well I'll stand by results like that as good reasons for allowing him a bit more latitude and if you choose to ignore them and write them off as insignificant, then go ahead. But Tamesaint has already pointed out that you have previous on getting it wrong before.

 

We'll just have to wait and see how it all pans out this season. I'm not giving up hope on 10th after this few matches.

 

But perhaps pertinent to remember that the thread is about Adkins' surreal approach to interviews and we're straying off course a bit.

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I think it is a shame that some find this (staged) interview cringeworthy. Adkins has got to stick to his principles when things aren't going well, otherwise they are pointless. I have a lot of respect for him and the way he conducts himself - poems included.

 

I agree, he's a bright guy, I'm sure he did it deliberately to shut up the reporters and stop them asking the predictable questions about his future. It might also be a canny dig at those responsible fro transfers, that whatever happens he knows he's done his best with what he has and under the constraints he's got to work under and not being backed in the transfer market.

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could not care less about getting promotion to the NPC with s****horpe and how that bare relation to being good enough to succede this season....to be honest

again, many other manager have done that with very small teams....sturrock got 2 promotions in 3 years (to the NPC) by literally using frees and loans......he is a terrible manager in the top 2 leagues

 

Neil Warnock. Great at getting teams promoted, not so great at keeping them there.

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I agree, he's a bright guy, I'm sure he did it deliberately to shut up the reporters and stop them asking the predictable questions about his future. It might also be a canny dig at those responsible fro transfers, that whatever happens he knows he's done his best with what he has and under the constraints he's got to work under and not being backed in the transfer market.

 

Yep - I concur with all of that.

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I agree, he's a bright guy, I'm sure he did it deliberately to shut up the reporters and stop them asking the predictable questions about his future. It might also be a canny dig at those responsible fro transfers, that whatever happens he knows he's done his best with what he has and under the constraints he's got to work under and not being backed in the transfer market.

 

He said 'Be true to yourself, I'm happy'. I reckon that blows the theory of him doing the job with one hand tied behind his back to rest.

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You obviously cared enough to respond to Dazza's post. As usual, you use a crap analogy in a vain attempt to justify your inability to remember that 3rd season under SAF, when he was under real pressure following a run of results worse than Adkins start in the Premiership. Using the same logic for Wotte is utterly pointless, as I don't recall Wotte getting us back to back promotions. It's just as weak an argument as mentioning Wigley.

 

 

 

When did Alex Ferguson get back to back promotions with Man United?

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He said 'Be true to yourself, I'm happy'. I reckon that blows the theory of him doing the job with one hand tied behind his back to rest.

 

Yep, be true to yourself, realise the limitations you are working with and how you haven't been helped by those above you. Do your best and stay positive and don't blame others. Good man, at least he's not outwardly blaming the chairman, like Holloway, even though he'd have every reason too.

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He said 'Be true to yourself, I'm happy'. I reckon that blows the theory of him doing the job with one hand tied behind his back to rest.

 

Really? How so? I think it does the opposite, actually. If he'd spent £30M on his own, with no other input, to create a lopsided squad that now sit second from bottom; then I'd have thought the last thing he'd do is extend pride and happiness in what he'd done. Unless he's extremely deluded; a trait I certainly don't attribute to him.

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@Delldays.....by Christ you gave me the most abusive posts for even the the slightest question mark against Nigel Adkins (not singling you out ,as many others did the same)it was fierce...and the verbal joust was great,but why now have you changed stance.

 

for some reason I do look out for your posts with interest,as I do with certain others.

against what many believe,I don't and never had an agenda against Nigel Adkins,I just wrote what I saw.which is what this place is supposed to be about,yet because of my lack of conviction to follow the crowd and 'get on the bus' the PMs I got led me to not to subscribe again.

anyone that thinks Nigel has frailties is labeled someone with an agenda.....no..it's an opinion,which I have held for a very long time.

i so desperately,probably like many want him to succeed,stability is a great advantage,but he is fallible.

once that is truly recognised,true opinions will come to the forefront.

so many would not dare criticise initially......you were hoodwinked.

get us a result tomorrow Nige,please.

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@Delldays.....by Christ you gave me the most abusive posts for even the the slightest question mark against Nigel Adkins (not singling you out ,as many others did the same)it was fierce...and the verbal joust was great,but why now have you changed stance.

 

for some reason I do look out for your posts with interest,as I do with certain others.

against what many believe,I don't and never had an agenda against Nigel Adkins,I just wrote what I saw.which is what this place is supposed to be about,yet because of my lack of conviction to follow the crowd and 'get on the bus' the PMs I got led me to not to subscribe again.

anyone that thinks Nigel has frailties is labeled someone with an agenda.....no..it's an opinion,which I have held for a very long time.

i so desperately,probably like many want him to succeed,stability is a great advantage,but he is fallible.

once that is truly recognised,true opinions will come to the forefront.

so many would not dare criticise initially......you were hoodwinked.

get us a result tomorrow Nige,please.

 

We were clearly all guillible weren't we to be so hoodwinked by back to back promotions. Its strange isn't it - the more promotions we achieve the more people that get hoodwinked.

 

Remind me. How many matches was Nigel in charge before you reckoned that he lost the dressing room?

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@Delldays.....by Christ you gave me the most abusive posts for even the the slightest question mark against Nigel Adkins (not singling you out ,as many others did the same)it was fierce...and the verbal joust was great,but why now have you changed stance.

 

for some reason I do look out for your posts with interest,as I do with certain others.

against what many believe,I don't and never had an agenda against Nigel Adkins,I just wrote what I saw.which is what this place is supposed to be about,yet because of my lack of conviction to follow the crowd and 'get on the bus' the PMs I got led me to not to subscribe again.

anyone that thinks Nigel has frailties is labeled someone with an agenda.....no..it's an opinion,which I have held for a very long time.

i so desperately,probably like many want him to succeed,stability is a great advantage,but he is fallible.

once that is truly recognised,true opinions will come to the forefront.

so many would not dare criticise initially......you were hoodwinked.

get us a result tomorrow Nige,please.

 

Do you think it's because he lost the dressing room, what, 2 years ago by your reckoning? Just imagine what we would achieved if he hadn't!

 

Lard, you're 'kin c**k who is desperately attempting to justify his pathetic position.

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no he never...but getting out of league 1 was the very bare minimum that season...last season was very good...that put him up there with the likes of

 

Boothroyd

Brown

Warnock

Jewell

McCarthy

Bruce

Keane

Davies

Mowbray

Dowie

McLeish

 

 

at the mo....most of all did alright in the prem by keeping their teams up with no where near the money spent....

 

I love nigel...but lets not make out something he is not...yet

 

didn't realise all of those managers also;

 

had team in top 2 of championship for whole season

 

got promoted with a squad many of whom more used to playing at lower level

 

stayed above bigger spending clubs with experienced manager ( who you predicted were class above us)

 

did this in first year promoted to division

 

scored hatfull of goals

 

have had 4 promotions in 5 seasons

 

and given me great entertainment as well.

 

 

think its you making out he is something he isn't if you don't put him ahead of most managers on what he had achieved so far.

 

personally appreciate him a lot more than you do, and feel his achievements have earnt respect and loyalty. I wouldnt swap for any on your list. luckily only appears to be few muppets on here, who knee jerk after handful of poor performances.

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didn't realise all of those managers also;

 

had team in top 2 of championship for whole season

 

got promoted with a squad many of whom more used to playing at lower level

 

stayed above bigger spending clubs with experienced manager ( who you predicted were class above us)

 

did this in first year promoted to division

 

scored hatfull of goals

 

have had 4 promotions in 5 seasons

 

and given me great entertainment as well.

 

 

think its you making out he is something he isn't if you don't put him ahead of most managers on what he had achieved so far.

 

personally appreciate him a lot more than you do, and feel his achievements have earnt respect and loyalty. I wouldnt swap for any on your list. luckily only appears to be few muppets on here, who knee jerk after handful of poor performances.

 

In delldays world that counts for what he calls "jackshyte" if we don't beat Man U , Man City or Arsenal in our first month back in the Premiership.

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didn't realise all of those managers also;

 

had team in top 2 of championship for whole season

 

got promoted with a squad many of whom more used to playing at lower level

 

stayed above bigger spending clubs with experienced manager ( who you predicted were class above us)

 

did this in first year promoted to division

 

scored hatfull of goals

 

have had 4 promotions in 5 seasons

 

and given me great entertainment as well.

 

 

think its you making out he is something he isn't if you don't put him ahead of most managers on what he had achieved so far.

 

personally appreciate him a lot more than you do, and feel his achievements have earnt respect and loyalty. I wouldnt swap for any on your list. luckily only appears to be few muppets on here, who knee jerk after handful of poor performances.

 

Delldays isn't talking about replacing Adkins though.

 

His pretty obvious point you miss is that Adkins hasn't proved anything yet, as a top flight manager.

 

You can list out what you like but Adkins is just one of a hatful of managers who have taken teams up from the second tier. Mowbray, Coyle, whoever.

 

You say you wouldn't swap Adkins but quite frankly if he was someone elses manager you'd look down on him just like you look down on all those other managers. Tony Mowbray plays attacking football, scores loads of goals and actually won the Championship title, something Nige couldn't manage. Adkins hasn't invented attacking football you know.

 

Adkins might turn into the next David Moyes but he is just as likely to be the next Owen Coyle.

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Really? How so? I think it does the opposite, actually. If he'd spent £30M on his own, with no other input, to create a lopsided squad that now sit second from bottom; then I'd have thought the last thing he'd do is extend pride and happiness in what he'd done. Unless he's extremely deluded; a trait I certainly don't attribute to him.

 

Why would he say that he was being true to himself and happy if he didn't believe in what he was doing.

 

I don't think he is happy with how the season is going, rather he is happy with how he is doing his job.

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Why would he say that he was being true to himself and happy if he didn't believe in what he was doing.

 

Because what he is doing is playing along to his contract; a contract which looks like now has relatively little input into transfer activity. He is doing what he's paid to do; coach the team. The squad that has been put together by others is disjointed and not good enough; particularly in areas that the manager identified needed strengthening, and weren't. He hasn't said he believes in what others closely associated to his role are doing.

 

I don't think he is happy with how the season is going, rather he is happy with how he is doing his job.

 

Again; yes. His "control the controllablles" statement. He thinks he's doing all he can with a substandard squad. He's been let down by others.

 

Perhaps.

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Because what he is doing is playing along to his contract; a contract which looks like now has relatively little input into transfer activity. He is doing what he's paid to do; coach the team. The squad that has been put together by others is disjointed and not good enough; particularly in areas that the manager identified needed strengthening, and weren't. He hasn't said he believes in what others closely associated to his role are doing.

 

 

 

Again; yes. His "control the controllablles" statement. He thinks he's doing all he can with a substandard squad. He's been let down by others.

 

Perhaps.

 

I think your trying to find things that aren't there in his clear statements.

 

Perhaps :-)

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