Thedelldays Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 Lambert is no Le Tiss. He can play a bit and break the net, but on the whole he's a bit of a carthorse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 Lambert is no Le Tiss. He can play a bit and break the net, but on the whole he's a bit of a carthorse. I don't think Lambert is as good as some people seem to think and I believe that becoming too dependant on him will hold the club back. Remember that the couple of seasons after Le Tiss retired, Saints got to an FA Cup final and made their best positions for years. Seeing past a talismanic player isn't easy, but for the progression of the club, it has to be done. Rodriguez is quicker than Lambert annd has better movement. He's more likely to get behind the defence too. How many goals has he scored though. £7m for a non scoring striker doesn't cut the mustard no matter how pretty he plays. He's paid to hit the back of the net. Lambert does and is a clever player, Lamberts goals could keep us up but Rodriguez's lack of them will relegate us. For vital penalties I want Lambert taking them not Rodriguez whose only penalty so far was poor/ lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 How many goals has he scored though. £7m for a non scoring striker doesn't cut the mustard no matter how pretty he plays. He's paid to hit the back of the net. Lambert does and is a clever player, Lamberts goals could keep us up but Rodriguez's lack of them will relegate us. For vital penalties I want Lambert taking them not Rodriguez whose only penalty so far was poor/ lucky. I agree with what you are saying, but you have to temper it a little. Rodriguez hasn't had the opportunity of playing as our main striker very often - and not in L1 and the NPC where he may have acquired the same status in the goal scoring stakes as Lambert. We will never know..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 Lambert is no Le Tiss. He can play a bit and break the net, but on the whole he's a bit of a carthorse. I don't think Lambert is as good as some people seem to think and I believe that becoming too dependant on him will hold the club back. Remember that the couple of seasons after Le Tiss retired, Saints got to an FA Cup final and made their best positions for years. Seeing past a talismanic player isn't easy, but for the progression of the club, it has to be done. Rodriguez is quicker than Lambert annd has better movement. He's more likely to get behind the defence too. Oh my. Stop trying to justify the ludicrous decision of him not playing. I'm a big fan of Rodriguez, but he's not at Lamberts level yet. If fit, Lambert has to play and play as long as possible. He's more than just a striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 I wonder what team Cortese will pick tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 I wonder what team Cortese will pick tomorrow.Don't be daft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 I rest my case Sorry, you win Tottenham beat a poor Wigan side last season so obviously you are completely right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 Lambert is no Le Tiss. He can play a bit and break the net, but on the whole he's a bit of a carthorse. I don't think Lambert is as good as some people seem to think and I believe that becoming too dependant on him will hold the club back. Remember that the couple of seasons after Le Tiss retired, Saints got to an FA Cup final and made their best positions for years. Seeing past a talismanic player isn't easy, but for the progression of the club, it has to be done. Rodriguez is quicker than Lambert annd has better movement. He's more likely to get behind the defence too. Some of this sh*t is getting so ridiculous that you wonder if the dark arts of PR aren't at work again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 Some of this sh*t is getting so ridiculous that you wonder if the dark arts of PR aren't at work again. Oh come on. I'm always reading on here that RL is our best player. He isn't. He's our best goalscorer, there's a difference. Yes RL has a great first touch and can finish but he lacks pace and mobility. If we're gonna play 433 it's hard to accomodate a player like him. In that system the wide boys need to pull wide and track back. That isolates the middle man who needs pace and movement. JR hasn't scored many but he's barely played up top. Stick RL on the left wing and see how many he scores. I'm not saying RL is a carthorse but he ain't the resurrection either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 In that system the wide boys need to pull wide and track back. That isolates the middle man who needs pace and movement. JR hasn't scored many but he's barely played up top. Stick RL on the left wing and see how many he scores. I'm not saying RL is a carthorse but he ain't the resurrection either. JR isn't as good as SRL (yet) SRL can go wide on the left or the right (more left to switch with Lallana) when JR has been extremely poor on the left. Stick them both on the pitch and JR will be average (as usual) and SRL can do it, so long as he hasn't got someone in his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 JR isn't as good as SRL (yet) SRL can go wide on the left or the right. He drifts there which highlights a problem of playing him in a 433. If your isolated striker goes out wide you've got no central attacking threat. If you play him wide he'd offer very little offensively or defensively imo. He will get us goals this season, but JR offers something different and is probably better suited to the central role in a 433. Personally I'd love to see them together in a 442. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 Sorry, you win Tottenham beat a poor Wigan side last season so obviously you are completely right The same team that beats 2-0 earlier this season, who are arguably worse now after loosing their best player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 Oh come on. I'm always reading on here that RL is our best player. He isn't. He's our best goalscorer, there's a difference. Yes RL has a great first touch and can finish but he lacks pace and mobility. If we're gonna play 433 it's hard to accomodate a player like him. In that system the wide boys need to pull wide and track back. That isolates the middle man who needs pace and movement. JR hasn't scored many but he's barely played up top. Stick RL on the left wing and see how many he scores. I'm not saying RL is a carthorse but he ain't the resurrection either. He has been our best and most effective player this season, ahead of Morgan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 (edited) Good, very good or Brilliant ?.We can all find superlatives for Rickie, but now he's past 30 ....it's insane not to make definite decisions about an (eventual) replacement for him. I never thought Jay Rod came to us as the " finished item " but with time he will (hopefully) develop into a top-class player, but that won't happen without giving him games. Memories of the young James Beattie who was slated terribly and achieved almost nothing in his first two seasons..only to end up as leading English-born scorer in the Prem...a couple of seasons afterwards. We all hope that... whether Rickie starts...or comes off the bench he will stay fit, because any sort of injury at his age (superfit-or not) may take a darn sight longer than a week or two to recover from. IMHO...playing him at this level 90+ mins. every game is tempting fate. Adkins (perhaps more than any other Prem.manager).. understands fitness and injuries - and IF Rickie were "carrying an injury " then it would (obviously) have to be the best-kept secret in the club .... Last season we got good mileage out of Guly (another 30 plusser,) by not playing him the whole game every week. Without his his early season goal tally we might still have been in the Championship. Selecting RL....or having him on the bench is a combination of tactics and fitness. I trust NA on those points. Of course we'd like to think he'd be around when /if we get a penalty..(I'd like to think we still had MLT around for that job) but we have to move on and some day.another player will have that responsibility. Edited 28 October, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 Trust nobody. Rickie Lambert has played virtually every league game for us since he first arrived here - with great success. I take it nobody on here really doubts he is still our best striker. So unless someone can produce some evidence that a players body suddenly goes into self destruct mode on their 30th birthday, then I see little or no reason why a 30 year old requires all that more 'protection' than a 29 year old would. In this fans opinion 'Tempting fate' isn't the decision to play Lambert - it's the decision not to play him. Football is in its essence a beautifully simple game that is made to seem complicated by those who fall into the trap of over-thinking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 Whether SRL plays or not is somewhat of an irrelevance to this particular game to an extent. IMO we are deficient in almost all areas of the pitch when playing 4-3-3. Both Rickie and JRod need a partner or for wingers to drive crossed into the area, for them to be their most effective. If you doubt this, ask yourself how many goals they've scored recently from an open play direct strike on goal - struggling to remember the last one? For lone strikers they're looking lost at the moment - nowhere near the standard required - and we think we've got problems in defence?! The best weapon Adkins has at the moment is pace and unfortunately either those players are injured or he refuses to play certain players in favour of 'safe hands'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 Bloody Hell - SRL is a bit of a carthorse, can't play 4-3-3... Have I woken in a parallel universe today? Missed Rickie hammering home goals against two of the top sides in Europe did we?? He is the best English striker in the Premiership and has only stopped scoring since the manager stopped picking him and started playing some bonkers formations... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 Guly will be part of the squad if fit and get a least 15 mins of playing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 Good, very good or Brilliant ?.We can all find superlatives for Rickie, but now he's past 30 ....it's insane not to make definite decisions about an (eventual) replacement for him. I never thought Jay Rod came to us as the " finished item " but with time he will (hopefully) develop into a top-class player, but that won't happen without giving him games. Memories of the young James Beattie who was slated terribly and achieved almost nothing in his first two seasons..only to end up as leading English-born scorer in the Prem...a couple of seasons afterwards. We all hope that... whether Rickie starts...or comes off the bench he will stay fit, because any sort of injury at his age (superfit-or not) may take a darn sight longer than a week or two to recover from. IMHO...playing him at this level 90+ mins. every game is tempting fate. Adkins (perhaps more than any other Prem.manager).. understands fitness and injuries - and IF Rickie were "carrying an injury " then it would (obviously) have to be the best-kept secret in the club .... Last season we got good mileage out of Guly (another 30 plusser,) by not playing him the whole game every week. Without his his early season goal tally we might still have been in the Championship. Selecting RL....or having him on the bench is a combination of tactics and fitness. I trust NA on those points. Of course we'd like to think he'd be around when /if we get a penalty..(I'd like to think we still had MLT around for that job) but we have to move on and some day.another player will have that responsibility. So according to your post we shouldn't play Lambert because in the future we wont have him around. That's as good if not better than the people claiming we shouldn't play him because he wont be able to play if he gets injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 This squad on average is not good enough to play the style of football being asked of them. That is why Adkins is finding it necessary to tweak things (e.g. SRL) to find a combo that shows some signs of success. We started out reasonably well, but we've lost our most capable player (Ramirez) and the defence has been shot to bits since the first two games. This game could well be lost before it's started and it's going to be extremely difficult to turn things around if that's the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 The same team that beats 2-0 earlier this season, who are arguably worse now after loosing their best player. last comment I make on the subject before I start getting into st Mary's mode, yes Wigan beat us earlier this season, no it wasn't the same team, arguably their best player lost (maybe). Do Kone and Maloney offer Wigan more than Moses did....who knows. Arguably Tottenham were a better side then, with Modric, VDV, Parker, King.. Who knows ? What we do know is you can't possibly say a team is better or not better than you because they beat or lost to someone that you didn't, or that something will not work for you and your players because it hasn't for another team. football unfortunately is not that black and white Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 A winning one;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 So according to your post we shouldn't play Lambert because in the future we wont have him around. That's as good if not better than the people claiming we shouldn't play him because he wont be able to play if he gets injured. its madness...its people desperate to back adkins in any way possible...there is no sense in dropping lambert if he is fit.. all this crap about lambert being unable to play in 433...is just utter crap...he has been our best player this season..yet he is the one who cant play in said formation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 its madness...its people desperate to back adkins in any way possible...there is no sense in dropping lambert if he is fit.. all this crap about lambert being unable to play in 433...is just utter crap...he has been our best player this season..yet he is the one who cant play in said formation... Bingo! Over three years people have questioned whether first he could play in Adkins formation in League One, then whether he could cut it in the Championship, then whether he could make it at the top level. Every time the answer is YES - because he is a total professional with a brilliant football brain, and is still only two goals off top scorer in the league with a manager hell bent on not playing him!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 He is the best English striker in the Premiership.. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 Lol. No lol at all you're posts from Day one pretty much. Would get more sense from you're namesake the dog in the inbetweeners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 Lol. doubt if he's even the best scouse striker in the premier league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 doubt if he's even the best scouse striker in the premier league. Being as Wayne Rooney is both scouse and a striker, its not too difficult to work out. Unless people are genuinely suggesting that Lambert is better than Rooney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 Why do people seem to swing to either extreme? He's not bad, and he's not a carthorse. But he's also not the best striker in the league. He's an effective striker, who has been one of our most effective players this year. Therefore he has to play in my books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 No lol at all you're posts from Day one pretty much. Would get more sense from you're namesake the dog in the inbetweeners. Calm down dear, your apostrophes are getting over-excited. You think Lambert is indubitably better than Rooney, Defoe, Wellbeck, Carroll, Crouch, Bent, Johnson? If so, you are a fantasist and an obsessive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 I think he's better than most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 So according to your post we shouldn't play Lambert because in the future we wont have him around. That's as good if not better than the people claiming we shouldn't play him because he wont be able to play if he gets injured. no I didn't say that READ AGAIN ! ......Sometimes....you are rather good at reading selective parts of a post, Turkish I said we hope that Lambert does start ...what I did say was that he shouldn't be expected to play 90 mins every game. So far it's only game 8.......by the time we get to 28 he might not be in such fine trim. Playing one man up front and being marked by three defenders he's going to come in for a lot of "attention ".....but I do think there is a tactical advantage by not playing him entire match every time, and coming on fresh after HT /60 mins. He takes the same chances as everyone else about getting injured but alot of our injuries so far this season haven't been becuase of fouls / dirty play, but off the ball accidents. There's nothing magical about 30 ......or 29 or 31 but stress takes it toll especailly on older players - not just when they reach a certain age. There is no reason why Rickie shouldn't play at the best level he can for another 3-4 years(I hope he does ) . , but he can't be expected to run around like the 21 year old around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 I will have a bet wih you that no one will beat spurs this season playing 3-5-2 when Bale and Lennon start. £50 to charity. Okay? Oops, lucky I am not a betting man Turkish and you are a know it all FACT kinda guy, I may have missed something but Wigan played 3 at the back, away to Tottenham, Bale and Lennon started and yes i do believe Wigan won today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Oops, lucky I am not a betting man Turkish and you are a know it all FACT kinda guy, I may have missed something but Wigan played 3 at the back, away to Tottenham, Bale and Lennon started and yes i do believe Wigan won today. Rooney, you're an asshole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 £50 to charity Turks! Come on be graceful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Well fair play to Wigan, didn't see that happening, one of the freak results you get every season. It still wouldn't have been the way for Saints to play Spurs though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Well fair play to Wigan, didn't see that happening, one of the freak results you get every season. It still wouldn't have been the way for Saints to play Spurs though. What about the 50 quid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Rooney, you're an asshole. Sorry ? Why ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Sorry ? Why ? Sorry, just quoting Ferris Bueller. Nothing personal. I don't even know you, facking Sholing Toby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Sorry, just quoting Ferris Bueller. Nothing personal. I don't even know you, facking Sholing Toby. Ah right, fry, fry, fry, fry, fry, fry....up the sholing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 What about the 50 quid? Did he agree to the bet? If he agreed to the bet, I'll pay it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 Did he agree to the bet? If he agreed to the bet, I'll pay it. I bet you didn't take your shots when you played war, never walked when lbw playing cricket with your mates, and cheated at marbles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 I bet you didn't take your shots when you played war, never walked when lbw playing cricket with your mates, and cheated at marbles! If he took the bet I'll pay. What's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 3 November, 2012 Share Posted 3 November, 2012 If he took the bet I'll pay. What's the problem? Sorry, I should have added a smiley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 Oops, lucky I am not a betting man Turkish and you are a know it all FACT kinda guy, I may have missed something but Wigan played 3 at the back, away to Tottenham, Bale and Lennon started and yes i do believe Wigan won today. That must be a pretty sweet moment for you Rooney! You're a nice guy, I'd of been much more of a cvvnt about it! Oh really you know nothing d!ckheads? 3-5-2 can't be used to nullify wingers is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 4 November, 2012 Share Posted 4 November, 2012 That must be a pretty sweet moment for you Rooney! You're a nice guy, I'd of been much more of a cvvnt about it! Oh really you know nothing d!ckheads? 3-5-2 can't be used to nullify wingers is it? Sweet moment, if not only to prove that football is all about different ideas and opinions and not black and white. All formations can be made to work if played correctly and shape, structure and work ethic are spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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