Islander Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 As it says in the title? Thoughts? I certainly don't think we'd have won back to back promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 League 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 Ironic really, Adkins was definitively the better manager in league 1 and the Championship but Pardew can wipe the floor with him in the premier league in terms of relative records. Different ball game and style of pay entirely apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 He wouldn't have stayed tho that was the point. He saw us as a great way to rehabilitate his damaged reputation with little risk. As soon as any big job came up he would have been off. It wouldn't have mattered if he was our manager when the Toon came knocking he still would have gone there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 Npc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 Will we ever know the real reason he was booted out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Stimp Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 Will we ever know the real reason he was booted out? Someone on here suggested that he talked to Mike Ashley in the summer whilst he was still our manager, the Don found out and promptly said off you go then. Sounds a lot more believable to me than the alternative explanation... which was that he poked Fonte's missus. I think all Cortese ever said about it was that he was put in a position which meant he had no alternative but to let Pardew go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 Someone on here suggested that he talked to Mike Ashley in the summer whilst he was still our manager, the Don found out and promptly said off you go then. Sounds a lot more believable to me than the alternative explanation... which was that he poked Fonte's missus. I think all Cortese ever said about it was that he was put in a position which meant he had no alternative but to let Pardew go. People seemed to confirm there was something in the fonte's mrs rumours but noone was really ITK. That makes more sense to me, would it count as gross misconduct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 Well I personally don't think we'd be in the Premier League this season. But then it's hypothetical so there's no way of knowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 Impossible to say. I think he would have got us out of league 1 and on current showing would have done OK in the PL would he have got back to back promotions who knows? All a bit irrelevant really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 (edited) Ironic really, Adkins was definitively the better manager in league 1 and the Championship but Pardew can wipe the floor with him in the premier league in terms of relative records. ........you mean considering he's been a Prem.manager a couple of season's longer than NA's 8 games ? .......or the fact that he'd been with a Prem. club before, and knew a bit anyway ? .......or that AP still had a few quality players on the books at Newcastle when he took over... ...... and the fact that (for a while) at least he had Andy Carroll..... when he was still scoring goals ? ...... or, that he bought one or two very good replacements with the £35 million they conned out of Liverpool ? .......and still had some cash left over afterwards.. I know it's not that simple, but IMHO Adkins did a better job than Pardew might have, though I also think that by now we might have been a Championship side - at least....and with the players we had in L1 and then the squad we had in the Championship ....most managers might have achieved at least that much. Edited 25 October, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 we'd of got out of league 1 the same season...as quite frankly....any one of us here should have got that squad out of league 1.... I dont think we would be in the prem now....as the styles of the two managers are totally different...we would not have played to possession game last season that worked so well.. however, pardew plays more direct and plays to those strengths..and as such, more set up (liek allardyce) to do better in the prem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 Someone on here suggested that he talked to Mike Ashley in the summer whilst he was still our manager, the Don found out and promptly said off you go then. Sounds a lot more believable to me than the alternative explanation... which was that he poked Fonte's missus. I think all Cortese ever said about it was that he was put in a position which meant he had no alternative but to let Pardew go. It wasn't the reason he and Wally Downes were suspended after the Bristol Rovers game. That is what Cortese said after being placed in an impossible position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 Championship. Should have got us promoted with the budget he had while he was here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 Bottom half of the champ, wouldn't have gone well... Thought the official line to him leaving was the entire club were a bit down with him about and he had just lost the confidence of the club as a whole. The talking to Ashley behind the dons back is the most reasonable sounding one though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 Probably in the premier league. We had a lot of resource behind us and Pardew is a good manager. Though saying that, there does appear to have been some major breakdown in trust so who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 Championship. Should have got us promoted with the budget he had while he was here. He would have second season in ....I don't think Nigel would have done any better our first season in league one with the -10 and no pre season.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 ........you mean considering he's been a Prem.manager a couple of season's longer than NA's 8 games ? .......or the fact that he'd been with a Prem. club before, and knew a bit anyway ? .......or that AP still had a few quality players on the books at Newcastle when he took over... ...... and the fact that (for a while) at least he had Andy Carroll..... when he was still scoring goals ? ...... or, that he bought one or two very good replacements with the £35 million they conned out of Liverpool ? .......and still had some cash left over afterwards.. I know it's not that simple, but IMHO Adkins did a better job than Pardew might have, though I also think that by now we might have been a Championship side - at least....and with the players we had in L1 and then the squad we had in the Championship ....most managers might have achieved at least that much. I'm not criticising Adkins, far from it. All I meant to say was Pardew is rather succesful with his premier league record but his record outside the top division is viewed as something as a failure. Barring our JPT success of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonian Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 People seemed to confirm there was something in the fonte's mrs rumours but noone was really ITK. That makes more sense to me, would it count as gross misconduct? My partner is a very good friend of Joses wife, whilst i do know the reason why AP went, I can assure you it had nothing to do with Cassie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 He wouldn't have stayed tho that was the point. He saw us as a great way to rehabilitate his damaged reputation with little risk. As soon as any big job came up he would have been off. It wouldn't have mattered if he was our manager when the Toon came knocking he still would have gone there. Right on the money in my opinion. Much the same reason why we got Hoddle and off he went once he had put himself back in the limelight and got a better offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 We would probably have been promoted from L1 to the Championship last season rather than the season before. We would be there or thereabouts in the playoff race this season I would have thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 Pardew was fed up with interference from Les Reed and wouldn't agree to work to his principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 He wouldn't have stayed tho that was the point. He saw us as a great way to rehabilitate his damaged reputation with little risk. As soon as any big job came up he would have been off. It wouldn't have mattered if he was our manager when the Toon came knocking he still would have gone there. I normally like your posts but can you not see the hypocrisy within your post? Your slating Pardews loyalty yet, he was sacked by us, we'd never know if he'd stayed as he was given the chance!!! I for one believe we would have done very well under Pardew, how some can say we'd still be in league 1, to me, is quite baffling! Again, only in my opinion I felt at the time that Pardew was ideal not only to get us to where now are but more importantly, keep us here! The whole thread is pointless though isnt it really, you (general not OB) say red, I say white, no one has a clue how it would, could have gone under Pardew. one thing for sure is, it doesnt matter what the happy clappy NC does no wrong, red & white blinkered fans say, Paedew is most definitely doing it for Newcastle! I bet the ones knocking Pardew are the same ones who were knocking Pearson, again, at the moment, he's doing pretty well there too! Anyway, hoping beyond hope big Nige has learnt something from the last 8 games & a good win is on the cards Sunday :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 Pardew would have got us out of L1 easily. Whether we'd got back to back promotions is hard to say - not because Pardew is any worse than Adkins, he clearly isn't - just that back to backs are so rare and difficult. Once in the Prem Pardew would have done better than Adkins. Simple know how. Pardew has done it in this division at not one but two clubs bigger than Saints. Adkins has yet to prove he is anything more than yet another Phil Brown/Owen Coyle/Ian Holloway/Billy Davies/Ady Boothroyd/Peter Tayor/Danny Wilson/etc etc. Lets hope he can be but he has a job on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 He wouldn't have stayed tho that was the point. He saw us as a great way to rehabilitate his damaged reputation with little risk. As soon as any big job came up he would have been off. It wouldn't have mattered if he was our manager when the Toon came knocking he still would have gone there. Pure speculation on your part. Top man and top manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 Pure speculation on your part. Top man and top manager. I think you'll find this entire thread is speculation. Read the question in the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 He couldnt stay, he'd undermined his authority, so we'd be in League 1 probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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