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And in the last two years the effects have reversed ?

 

Since September to be fair ;)

 

You did read the article StGeorge linked to didn't you ;)

 

Thanks to a rapid rebound in recent months, global sea ice levels now equal those seen 29 years ago, when the year 1979 also drew to a close.

 

Ice levels had been tracking lower throughout much of 2008, but rapidly recovered in the last quarter. In fact, the rate of increase from September onward is the fastest rate of change on record, either upwards or downwards.

 

The data is being reported by the University of Illinois's Arctic Climate Research Center, and is derived from satellite observations of the Northern and Southern hemisphere polar regions.

 

Each year, millions of square kilometers of sea ice melt and refreeze. However, the mean ice anomaly -- defined as the seasonally-adjusted difference between the current value and the average from 1979-2000, varies much more slowly. That anomaly now stands at just under zero, a value identical to one recorded at the end of 1979, the year satellite record-keeping began.

 

Sea ice is floating and, unlike the massive ice sheets anchored to bedrock in Greenland and Antarctica, doesn't affect ocean levels. However, due to its transient nature, sea ice responds much faster to changes in temperature or precipitation and is therefore a useful barometer of changing conditions.

 

Earlier this year, predictions were rife that the North Pole could melt entirely in 2008. Instead, the Arctic ice saw a substantial recovery. Bill Chapman, a researcher with the UIUC's Arctic Center, tells DailyTech this was due in part to colder temperatures in the region. Chapman says wind patterns have also been weaker this year. Strong winds can slow ice formation as well as forcing ice into warmer waters where it will melt.

 

Why were predictions so wrong? Researchers had expected the newer sea ice, which is thinner, to be less resilient and melt easier. Instead, the thinner ice had less snow cover to insulate it from the bitterly cold air, and therefore grew much faster than expected, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center.

 

In May, concerns over disappearing sea ice led the U.S. to officially list the polar bear a threatened species, over objections from experts who claimed the animal's numbers were increasing.

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Thankyou for your erudite, well informed, and perfectly presented contribution to the debate.

 

Cabbage Face - more like cabbage for brains.

 

I dont like your political stance, you need new shoes

 

Cabbage seems to be the only person who can't distinguish between the lounge and TMS.

 

It makes him look like a **** when he does put a good view forward.

 

You are the only person who cant distinguish between women and trannies.

 

Oil me up, big bouy.

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He's never been able to back anything up.

 

You're not the sharpest tool in the box so it's no surprise that your goldfish like memory fails to remember his "credible articles" in previous global warming posts or the even more comical election posts.

 

He makes John Nada appear like a Harvard referenced bibliography.

 

Stick to things you understand, which obviously isn't much, but try it, you may make yourself look less than your usual c*nt.

 

That's a lie...I pretty much always make a point of providing links in my post's where appropriate...your following comment even confirms it. The fact you get so bitter and uptight that they offer a different opinion to your's and will always include appropriate data says all we need to know about you .....

 

Thats what happens when peeps like you get so blinded with hatred and bitterness, you lose all sight of objectivity ....You're nothing more than a message board sniper with no valid opinion other than hating the other guy's....

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Usual ferking inaccurate nonsense from George.

 

http://www.k****ij.com/research/petrol.shtml

 

2008 average retail petrol prices

 

US $2.97

UK $10.41

 

But according to George, Gordy and his government are charging $12 tax alone per gallon! :rolleyes:

 

Inaccurate?....Slightly it seems ..Nonsense? not at all....I made that post based on a quick calculation in my head at the time....Everything checks out except for the fact the exchange rate has changed so dramatically ...I used a rate from August, which was the last time i had looked...I had no idea the bottom had fallen out Sterling the way it has....Man, thats scary

 

You can produce all the statistics and averages you like, but it wont alter the fact that Using August's exchange rate, Gordys tax money on an equivalent gallon last week would have brought you very nearly 4 gallons of Gas here.......At the current exchange rate, you'll only get 3 Gallons.....That's still THREE whole Gallons of gas for the same price as HM Government charges in TAX for the same product and thats despite the pathetic value of the pound...Are you really saying that nonsense? ...I'm amazed you can apparently be so comfortable with that .....but hey, each to their own i guess...Its not something i'd be prepared to put up with

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I am a socialist, republican who cannot think of one good thing to say about the USA, ( other than thank goodness they are 3000 miles away ). :)

 

Well its safe to say from a personal point of view the feeling's mutual...And i have to say I'm not alone.....More and more Americans 'and' other nationality's are becoming aware of what Britain has become ....(Ask anyone who lives in any UK vacation hotspot what they think of Brits)........There's even mounting pressure to remove the UK from the Visa waver programme, due to terrorist concerns......Cant see things getting any better either, not after US troops had to go in and clean up Basra after the British failure there.....And no ones blaming the 'troops' on the ground for that....purely the donkeys that lead them and their political masters..

 

Not sure what the UK and indeed Europe will do if the US were to remove its safety umbrela...what with Russia flexing its muscles and all...With with all that hatred pointing this way, maybe the powers to be will consider Europe as 'no longer our fight' ....Good luck with that

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maybe the powers to be will consider Europe as 'no longer our fight' ....Good luck with that

Let me see...the First World War started in 1914, the USA entered in 1917; the Second World War started in September 1939, and the USA entered in December 1941. Given that record, how quickly would they respond to WW3 ?

 

Thank goodness that the Wilson government resisted America's attempts to get us embroiled in Vietnam.

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.purely the donkeys that lead them and their political masters..

This from the country that managed to elect George W Bush TWICE !!!

 

Also, the country that gave Ho Chi Minh his weapons at the end of the Japanese occupation of south-east Asia, and funded and equipped Osama Bin Laden when the Russians occupied Afghanistan.

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This from the country that managed to elect George W Bush TWICE !!!

 

Also, the country that gave Ho Chi Minh his weapons at the end of the Japanese occupation of south-east Asia, and funded and equipped Osama Bin Laden when the Russians occupied Afghanistan.

 

so....the people and alliances do change...for any and every country..!!!

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