The Kraken Posted 24 October, 2012 Share Posted 24 October, 2012 but that was all pretty short lived....the whole time away from the prem was pretty short lived...eventful and just under half was with a billioniare owner and saints winning most weeks... imagine being a burnley...or coventry.....or peterbro..and those clubs with little hope and say they "cant compete" with the likes of saints and other premier league clubs with premier league set ups with money to spend etc......that wont be fun doing that 10 years on the bounce with little or no deviation from being just bog standard 14th in the NPC You can try and argue it all you like TDD, but its fruitless. You're arguing with an opinion, not a fact, which is entirely pointless on your behalf. This is my opinion; it had been for some time before we got relegated to League 1. Disagree with it; that's the idea. But don't for aminute try and say its wrong or flawed logic; that's your opinion, not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colbury Posted 24 October, 2012 Share Posted 24 October, 2012 I see where a lot of you are coming from but the Championship would be nowhere near as exciting if we weren't competing at the top watching players like SRL and Lallana take the p*ss. If we go down we'd probably lose both, and who knows what would happen with the Liebherrs etc we could very easily go back to being very sh*t again and I don't recall enjoying that the last time. Granted wins are few and far between in this league but that win against villa topped the feeling of every win last season by a mile, minus the Coventry win on promotion day. Prem for me all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 24 October, 2012 Share Posted 24 October, 2012 I see where a lot of you are coming from but the Championship would be nowhere near as exciting if we weren't competing at the top watching players like SRL and Lallana take the p*ss. If we go down we'd probably lose both, and who knows what would happen with the Liebherrs etc we could very easily go back to being very sh*t again and I don't recall enjoying that the last time. Granted wins are few and far between in this league but that win against villa topped the feeling of every win last season by a mile, minus the Coventry win on promotion day. Prem for me all day long. Why do people think they'll stay even if we stay in the PL? Apart from MLT how many really good players stayed with us during our last stint in the PL anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 24 October, 2012 Share Posted 24 October, 2012 I'm liking being in the top flight. If you don't want to be in this league you may as well give up supporting a side. What would you have to aim for? I didn't hear many saying how much they enjoyed it whilst we were getting beat every week in the Championship. It's not the league its the winning you want. I'm far less fussed than I used to be about the result, which is perhaps why I disagree so much with Alpines view that the result that is all that matters. For me how we play is a big thing, especially if we don't win. Just wish there were more games at more reasonable prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 24 October, 2012 Share Posted 24 October, 2012 I'm liking being in the top flight. If you don't want to be in this league you may as well give up supporting a side. What would you have to aim for? I didn't hear many saying how much they enjoyed it whilst we were getting beat every week in the Championship. It's not the league its the winning you want. I'm far less fussed than I used to be about the result, which is perhaps why I disagree so much with Alpines view that the result that is all that matters. For me how we play is a big thing, especially if we don't win. Just wish there were more games at more reasonable prices. What do we aim for now...the whole thing about the lower leagues is there something to aim for. In the football league I felt we had a chance of winning a league or getting to the playoffs, even if we had a **** season, it always felt like we'd have another shot next season. Realisticaly in the PL we're just trying to avoid relegation or hoping for a really good season to finish mid table we will never win this league or even get close to the CL places and every season will be the same.......and to top it all off I'm expected to fork out premium prices to watch us not be very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 24 October, 2012 Share Posted 24 October, 2012 I don't fear going into the NPC because i think it was a possibility that we have already planned for. We will follow the yoyo strategy and I can't see much wrong with that ! Whether wehave also planned to stick with NA during our 'ups and downs' is an interesting point to ponder. Anyway, you heard it from the Dalek first ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 24 October, 2012 Share Posted 24 October, 2012 I don't fear going into the NPC because i think it was a possibility that we have already planned for. We will follow the yoyo strategy and I can't see much wrong with that ! Whether wehave also planned to stick with NA during our 'ups and downs' is an interesting point to ponder. Anyway, you heard it from the Dalek first !Does the Ramirez signing really fit into that yoyo strategy, whatever that is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Grute Posted 24 October, 2012 Share Posted 24 October, 2012 Not a single home Tuesday night league game all season- I love going to evening games after work! give me the championship any day- Sunday kick offs suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 24 October, 2012 Share Posted 24 October, 2012 Not a single home Tuesday night league game all season- I love going to evening games after work! give me the championship any day- Sunday kick offs suck. Norwich is a Wednesday night if that counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Grute Posted 24 October, 2012 Share Posted 24 October, 2012 True LGTL- just liked joining in the moan about the premier league!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 24 October, 2012 Share Posted 24 October, 2012 It is all very well harping back to the NPC days and saying it was more enjoyable, but surely that is because we were winning and now we are not. Personally I would rather be winning in the EPL than in the NPC.....and hopefully after a season or two of struggle and strengthening that will be the case. As for odd kick-off times - meh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 24 October, 2012 Share Posted 24 October, 2012 Does the Ramirez signing really fit into that yoyo strategy, whatever that is? Yes. We are giving it a go this seaeson. But Ramirez is young. If we fail we sell him at the end of the season. We bring back Billy Sharpe and we go for promotion again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 24 October, 2012 Share Posted 24 October, 2012 Yes. We are giving it a go this seaeson. But Ramirez is young. If we fail we sell him at the end of the season. We bring back Billy Sharpe and we go for promotion again. hmmmm. No one was willing to pay Ramirez what we offered him, so he has to impress otherwise no one will take him off our hands TBH style. Massive gamble and not part of a yoyo strategy at all, which is, I assume, based on living well within your means and using the TV money to improve steadily - like WBA apeared to. Spending £20-£30m as soon as you go up is therefore not part ofa yoyo strategy. I think you are just adding a new catch phrase to the 17th and hoddle ones you have in the bag. There you go I've helped to promote it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints Warrior Posted 24 October, 2012 Share Posted 24 October, 2012 Price is the main factor in premiership. The more you spend on players the more games you win, the more you stay up each season. Sure you can survive on a msall budget for not for too many seasons and the players wages will cripple a club. Ticket prices are astronomical, the 1 adult and free kid which is now 2 Adult tickets to get kid free is a indication that our clubs no better in pricing and fleecing fans. League 1 was brilliant , affordable season ticket and get in any away game on the day. The promotions have been exceptional, BUT bear in mind the now we are at the top its not like the 80s, we now pay stupid money for players (£7 and £12m) the recent 2 forwards, and now require 4-5 more players to stop the goals going in and they say defenders cost more! Now that I have a 2 year son the cost factor is massive, plus with job losses everywhere I have a different perspective. £575 a season ticket is far too much for me and it would bother me to drop down a leaque to sensibe costs. I look at all the other families at games and what they buy pre match and half time just on the food, its criminal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancsaint Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 This season is sh*t. All my worst fears about the PL have come true. Sterile, demotivating, soul-less, money obsessed. I like the idea of winning the NPC, or coming second, or winning the playoffs, then "declining" promotion. I am starting to hope the Euro Super League finally takes off one day, then the big 4-6 can f**k off and the rest of us can scrap for honours again. Was saying this last year even before we got promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomobz Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 Everyone saying the only reason we liked last season was because we were winning are narrow minded. One of the best away days for me 2 years ago was losing 2-0 at Tranmere, the reason why is because the football actually has nothing to do with enjoyment at football. The last 7 seasons we've had 20-30 of us going to most games and now because of cost, messed up kicked off times and ridiculous over demand for tickets from new supporters we're lucky if we get 6. It's not fun anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 I am starting to hope the Euro Super League finally takes off one day, then the big 4-6 can f**k off and the rest of us can scrap for honours again. Can't argue with that one Alpine, I don't think we need to relegate teams from the Prem. but let the American-owned mega clubs, and Oil Sheiks take their teams off in to a Euro " Super-Dooper League " and play in a different European city every week...and the rest of us can get on with some good old-fashioned English football. Without the top four /six, there isn't a huge difference between the clubs below them, and it's much more fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 Everyone saying the only reason we liked last season was because we were winning are narrow minded. One of the best away days for me 2 years ago was losing 2-0 at Tranmere, the reason why is because the football actually has nothing to do with enjoyment at football. The last 7 seasons we've had 20-30 of us going to most games and now because of cost, messed up kicked off times and ridiculous over demand for tickets from new supporters we're lucky if we get 6. It's not fun anymore be interesting to know how many games were moved this season for TV or Europe compared to last season... we were on telly a fair few times last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 Can't argue with that one Alpine, I don't think we need to relegate teams from the Prem. but let the American-owned mega clubs, and Oil Sheiks take their teams off in to a Euro " Super-Dooper League " and play in a different European city every week...and the rest of us can get on with some good old-fashioned English football. Without the top four /six, there isn't a huge difference between the clubs below them, and it's much more fun. who would be in the top 4....how long before someone else dominates..? and a new top 4 is formed...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 If life was better in the championship then why do clubs invest £millions into getting promoted? The PL is where the best players are, and where the money is at (and football is now a business) I didn't see too many people upset at getting promoted in may Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 who would be in the top 4....how long before someone else dominates..? and a new top 4 is formed...? a bit more than 1 or 2 seasons, I'm sure. The top 4 has (more or less) been the same top 4 for almost a decade, whereas I suspect the next 4 teams (i.e.5-...been a much more of a mix during that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 If life was better in the championship then why do clubs invest £millions into getting promoted? The PL is where the best players are, and where the money is at (and football is now a business) I didn't see too many people upset at getting promoted in may You're confusing what players and chairman want with what some fans want ...of course players and chairmen want into be in the PL with all it's cash and the chance of massive wages. For some fans the experince of the PL is expensive and not particularly satisfying. Not everyone wants the same thing from football we all go for different reasons. Some like the PL for the bragging rights, the chance to see Rooney in action at SMS or becuase more games are on the TV. Others want things like cheaper tickets, more games, being in a league we could actually win or watching footie at 3 pm on a saturday. There is no right or wrong with this disccussion it depends on what you want from your football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 this was a right laugh in the NPC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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