Thedelldays Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 You're right, I'm sorry lowest form of wit and all that. I shall try to follow your example in future. The trouble is I know jack about football, which is why I ask are only unemployed english managers realistic? Honest question. What has unemployed got to do with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 No need for sarcasm. He has a point, name one manager available and realistic who has better credentials. By "available" I guess you mean out of work, but why do they have to be out of work? Adkins was employed in the Championship when we hired him as a League One club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 By "available" I guess you mean out of work, but why do they have to be out of work? Adkins was employed in the Championship when we hired him as a League One club. Easy, quick, no compensation to haggle over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 Easy, quick, no compensation to haggle over. It is possible to get employed managers quickly, depends how you go about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 By "available" I guess you mean out of work, but why do they have to be out of work? Adkins was employed in the Championship when we hired him as a League One club. Okay then what realistic unavailable targets are there that could do better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 It is possible to get employed managers quickly, depends how you go about it. Yeah, we would go about it very quickly wouldn't we. Adkins was here in no time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 Okay then what realistic unavailable targets are there that could do better? Well if they are unavailable then they aren't realistic by definition. "Realistic unavailable targets" is an oxymoron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 (edited) Well if they are unavailable then they aren't realistic by definition. "Realistic unavailable targets" is an oxymoron. Bore off you weirdo. Obviously Guardiola is available, do you think he is realistic? Let's be right lemons about this and break it down for you. Realistic and employed or realistic and unemployed. Simple enough? Edited 13 November, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 Rafa? Bielsa? Svenn? Laughable that one granted Ranieri? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 Yeah, we would go about it very quickly wouldn't we. Adkins was here in no time.... How long did Palace take to get Holloway? Blackpool to get Appy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 Rafa? Bielsa? Svenn? Laughable that one granted Ranieri? Ranieri would be perfect, can't see him league Monaco for a relegation scrap though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 Bore off you weirdo. Why is it boring? You wrote something that is an oxymoron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 (edited) Redknapp is a fantastic manager who did a fantastic job at Spurs. Would I want him here, no I wouldn't. I don't blame him for our relegation, in fact I don't think many others could have got us to the last day still with a chance of staying up. I don't even blame him for jacking it in. Lowe wouldn't give him the tools to do his job. He sold Crouch for millions, and gave Arry next to f*ck all to somehow get us back up. While in the background he appointed a Rugby coach and a Walter Mitty fantasist who couldn't even get into his cubs team onto his staff. Lowe didn't even respect his manager enough to call him by his Christian name, preferring to use his surname like some public school headmaster. But he went back to that shower of sh*t down the road, rubbing all of our noses in it on the way by saying he was going back to hs 'spiritual home'. I wouldn't blame Cortese for making a hard nosed business decision, and I would continue supporting my club, but it just wouldn't feel right. Edited 13 November, 2012 by Wade Garrett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 (edited) Ranieri would be perfect, can't see him league Monaco for a relegation scrap though. Possibly not but I wouldn't rule out Tardelli. Used to working with youth teams, not much compo and immediate start. I still think Nige should stay though. Edited 13 November, 2012 by Give it to Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 Well if they are unavailable then they aren't realistic by definition. "Realistic unavailable targets" is an oxymoron. How so? Managers in work, say in League 1, are [arguably] realistic targets to us. They are also [at present time] unavailable to us; at least until we make an official approach to their clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 In fact his net spends are suprisingly low. I've certainly posted up a link to the exact figures before. May try to find it again later. http://soccerlens.com/wheeler-dealer-nah-harry-redknapp-has-one-of-the-best-transfer-records-in-football/58373/ Something is really wrong with his spreadsheet (or my understanding of it) that he has used to base his figures on.. According to his spreadsheet, when at Tottenham, Harry signed 17 players for a £226.93m and sold 16 for £230.37m. However when I add up the individual elements he bought in £95m worth of talent and disposed of £26m..so that to me is a loss of ~£69m.... Can someone confirm that for me or am I missing something?? I thought the figures might be cumulative over his different clubs but even that doesn't add up..... The Southampton one is quite interesting too, of the £2.57m of players he bought here we made NO MONEY off of moving them on, yet the players that were here at the club before Harry we sold on for £16m (and didn't Rupert deal with selling players??) So, basically, Harry lost us £2.57m Thanks P.S. I will accept numerous :facepalm:s if I have missed something obvious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 If they would join us following our approach, they are available. It matters not how they choose to spend their time before then, employed or unemployed. Would only be unavailable if their existing contracts would make it prohibitively expensive, in which case they are not realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 How so? Managers in work, say in League 1, are [arguably] realistic targets to us. They are also [at present time] unavailable to us; at least until we make an official approach to their clubs. Deano answers this... If they would join us following our approach, they are available. It matters not how they choose to spend their time before then, employed or unemployed. Would only be unavailable if their existing contracts would make it prohibitively expensive, in which case they are not realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 (edited) Why is it boring? You wrote something that is an oxymoron. Why are you being a knob and splitting hairs about what realistic and unavailable means? Doug Freedman, for example, is a realistic target, but would currently be considered unavailable. No? Edited 13 November, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 Dougie Freedman is a realistic target for us, but as he's taken a new job, is currently unavailable. There are a whole host of targets that would be considered realistic but are currently unavailable as they are employed. They may well become available if our interest in them is recipricated. If someone is unavailable, then it isn't realistic. This really is basic stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 Would I want him here, no I wouldn't. I don't blame him for our relegation, in fact I don't think many others could have got us to the last day still with a chance of staying up. I don't even blame him for jacking it in. Lowe wouldn't give him the tools to do his job. He sold Crouch for millions, and gave Arry next to f*ck all to somehow get us back up. While in the background he appointed a Rugby coach and a Walter Mitty fantasist who couldn't even get into his cubs team onto his staff.. That is one of the biggest urban myths of our time and has been rubbished over and over again. The fact that HR only chose to spend £70k on Fuller had nothing to do with the amount of money that he was given to buy players, weren't we after some expensive block (diamanti earrings) that didn't want to come here. And I won't bother to mention our league position and how far off the bottom (points wise) we were when Harry came here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 If they would join us following our approach, they are available. It matters not how they choose to spend their time before then, employed or unemployed. Would only be unavailable if their existing contracts would make it prohibitively expensive, in which case they are not realistic. Deano answers this... Sorry, I must be missing the point. I don't understand how that answers the assertion that: "Well if they are unavailable then they aren't realistic by definition." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 If someone is unavailable, then it isn't realistic. This really is basic stuff. It would be is they were currently unavailable but a realistic target, but if we approached them and they were interested, they would become available. It's really basic stuff. Do you consider employed managers, available or unavailable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 That is one of the biggest urban myths of our time and has been rubbished over and over again. The fact that HR only chose to spend £70k on Fuller had nothing to do with the amount of money that he was given to buy players, weren't we after some expensive block (diamanti earrings) that didn't want to come here. And I won't bother to mention our league position and how far off the bottom (points wise) we were when Harry came here... Don't mention it then. I've got my opinion, you've got yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 It would be is they were currently unavailable but a realistic target, but if we approached them and they were interested, they would become available. It's really basic stuff. Do you consider employed managers, available or unavailable? If their current chairman or contract allows them to talk to Saints then they are available, if not then they are unavailable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 If their current chairman or contract allows them to talk to Saints then they are available, if not then they are unavailable. So until we make an approach which is permitted they are unavailable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 If their current chairman or contract allows them to talk to Saints then they are available, if not then they are unavailable. holy ****e..... I would suggest every single manager in a job in unavailable...I would also say that alan knill (where ever he is) would be realistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 Lots of trolling occurring tonight. Boring c*nts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 So until we make an approach which is permitted they are unavailable? Technically...yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 If someone is unavailable, then it isn't realistic. This really is basic stuff. I knobbed a girl once who said she was unavailable. It was realistic tho, cos I knobbed her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 By "available" I guess you mean out of work, but why do they have to be out of work? Adkins was employed in the Championship when we hired him as a League One club. Technically...yes. So you've answered your own post then, as by your own definition, every manager currently employed is currently unavailable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 I knobbed a girl once who said she was unavailable. It was realistic tho, cos I knobbed her. Rape? Inebriated? Wasn't telling the truth of her unavailability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 Mlg had got better and wasn't doing this stupidity recently. He has reverted to type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 So you've answered your own post then, as by your own definition, every manager currently employed is currently unavailable. Nope, because Adkins being available to us was always the case, but couldn't be confirmed until an acceptable bid went in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 Nope, because Adkins being available to us was always the case, but couldn't be confirmed until an acceptable bid went in. But you said that a manager is unrealistic if he is unavailable and by your own definition every employed manager is currently unavailalbe to us, therefore when we are discussing targets we can only discuss unemployed managers at this stage, because every employed one is currently unavailable so therefore unrealistic, all by your own defiinition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 Nope, because Adkins being available to us was always the case, but couldn't be confirmed until an acceptable bid went in. Ah the Football-Managers Cat paradox...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 Mlg had got better and wasn't doing this stupidity recently. He has reverted to type. Indeed; and this one is worse than ever. Silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 I'm available! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 But you said that a manager is unrealistic if he is unavailable and by your own definition every employed manager is currently unavailalbe to us, therefore when we are discussing targets we can only discuss unemployed managers at this stage, because every employed one is currently unavailable so therefore unrealistic, all by your own defiinition. Bullet points please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 You're so right. I will never forgive Adkins for what he has done to us. If only Harry would come back and pick up where he left off before he was poached. Most of the players are well past it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAS Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 I knobbed a girl once who said she was unavailable. It was realistic tho, cos I knobbed her.Yes, but was she an oxymoron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 Yes, but was she an oxymoron? Peroxide moron, quite possibly. How big is this stadium gonna need to be? We are going to need a complete section for philosophers' corner at this rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 Rape? Inebriated? Wasn't telling the truth of her unavailability? Hi Matt Unfortunately Bearsy has found himself on the register so is not able to answer you. Let me take the liberty of doing it for him, yes, it was rape. However don't worry, it wasnt in a bad way, more a pardew on MOTD2 style way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 Ffs, what a load of ****** on here tonight. I've read and reread it and ain't got a clue what you're flirting about. Can it be summarized that MLG thinks that every employed and/or unemployed manager is available and/or unavailable and that some people agree and some don't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 I think so egg, that appears to be a good summary. Can you do the same for the Pompey thread, there's a lot of reading there and is gets confusing. As far as I can make out, they are fecked but people have been saying that for years and they seem to carry on regardless - chatting cants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 Thanks Deano. Makes sense put like that. eelpie. There are one or two I would welcome back. sandwichsaint. Quite big to give each faction plenty of space. Can't help think of The Life of Brian. Lark's bladder anyone. Turkish. Please don't be offended if I don't follow your example, I don't think I could carry it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 I think so egg, that appears to be a good summary. Can you do the same for the Pompey thread, there's a lot of reading there and is gets confusing. As far as I can make out, they are fecked but people have been saying that for years and they seem to carry on regardless - chatting cants. I've taken a gander Tokyo. Just skim read it. Something about getting oral from fish and harry got a mention. Milan got a mention but I got confused by the relevance of an Italian city and gave up. There was a link to a Sheffield Wednesday site on here yesterday so I've been on that. I ain't got a clue what they're on about either but it makes more sense than this sh!te. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 Indeed; and this one is worse than ever. Silly. Your posts used to be objective, albeit long-winded, but it seems you have sided with the Mitty gang recently. A shame really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 Your posts used to be objective, albeit long-winded, but it seems you have sided with the Mitty gang recently. A shame really. I have no "sides". And I didn't realise there was a gang either. Hey ho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 13 November, 2012 Share Posted 13 November, 2012 You could well be right, I can only say it as I see it and that is a change in stance from your goodself from your normal objective views. No offence intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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