Greenridge Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 If we are going current British based then i cant see past Redknapp. With my saints fan head on i say no way. With my common sense head on i say he's the best man for the job short term. He'll establish us in the premier league, bring in some decent players and for a short term fix then he is the only choice. If we are to believe some of the stories of Cortese stewardship and management style it seems inconceivable that he and Redknapp could work together. If, of course, that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 If we are to believe some of the stories of Cortese stewardship and management style it seems inconceivable that he and Redknapp could work together. If, of course, that is the case. indeed..but levy is also a cvnt...and he did alright there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 indeed..but levy is also a cvnt...and he did alright there ...until Levy had had enough of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 If we are to believe some of the stories of Cortese stewardship and management style it seems inconceivable that he and Redknapp could work together. If, of course, that is the case. Maybe they cant. But if we want to build a premier league team and stabilise in the premier league who is better that is realistic? If Cortese and Reed have to wind their necks in for a bit then that can only be a good thing, for now at least. otherwise i feel we are doomed to relegation whoever is in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 ...until Levy had had enough of him Thats a point. Redknapp called Levy, Daniel. I cant imagine Nick Nack wanting someone to work for him who calls him Nicola. He does like members of staff calling him anything other than Mr Cortese and only to speak when spoken to. This is gonna be the deal breaker i'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Maybe they cant. But if we want to build a premier league team and stabilise in the premier league who is better that is realistic? If Cortese and Reed have to wind their necks in for a bit then that can only be a good thing, for now at least. otherwise i feel we are doomed to relegation whoever is in charge. I would imagine it would take a lot of 'give' on both sides and maybe they could put up with each other in the short term for a mutual benefit but I couldn't see it lasting long. Maybe it could be the stop-gap we need but it didn't work out last time Harry came to save us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 I would imagine it would take a lot of 'give' on both sides and maybe they could put up with each other in the short term for a mutual benefit but I couldn't see it lasting long. Maybe it could be the stop-gap we need but it didn't work out last ime Harry came to save us. Like i said, short term it could work. Give him a 2 1/2 year deal. Let him bring in some established players, stabilise us in the premier league, Then we can worry about staying here and doing it "the Southampton way" - We've tried to change too much too quickly without the players and experience to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 ...until Levy had had enough of him he lasted about 3 seasons...which, take out about 5 clubs in the whole country..is just about average......we are no different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 but also beat italy...so yes please And he did a brilliant job in turning Germany round along with Bayern Munich. and enroute brought on some marvellous young talent into both squads. and reintroduced a great Bayern academy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 as what we have is going to take us down right now......we did well last time taking an up and coming...if you get me....but as it stands, we are going down without a fight You haven't really answered my question though have you. What qualities do you think the other four possess that would mean we should opt for a change of manager after 8 games, several of which have been tough games anyway. Lets have a look at what each has done. Holloway - promoted via play-offs, went down due to being defensively naive. Di Canio - got promoted from League 2, doing OK in League 1, but seems a loose cannon and surely won't get on with NC. Gus Poyet - got promoted from League 1, spent plenty of cash in Championship yet still sits outside play-offs. Owen Coyle - promoted to Premier League with Burnley via play-offs, did well initially at Bolton, possibly unlucky last year to go down as a result of injuries but relegated nonetheless. Personally, I'd keep Adkins over any of those as there would be no guarantees they could do a better job. The other three you mention are fair enough even though I'd hate to see Harry back here and lets be honest, he took us down last time so no guarantees he would keep us up this time. If we get shot of NA then I'd want a recognised manager with top flight experience otherwise I think its a complete waste of time and expense. Personally, I still believe we will be OK albeit it will likely be close either way but I expected that in the first place. I was never in the camp of thinking we would be able to become a top half team overnight. Changes of manager do not work anything like as often as people think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 he lasted about 3 seasons...which, take out about 5 clubs in the whole country..is just about average......we are no different We're digressing somewhat although there are some interesting parallels between the two clubs. Redknapp went to Spurs when they were in the bottom 3 having tried the Director of Football ('Continental way') with Damien Comolli (?) and Levy needed a quick fix. There's no way Redknapp would have gone there with that set-up and it seemed he got his way, convinced Levy he could sort the situation - as long as he had full control..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 We're digressing somewhat although there are some interesting parallels between the two clubs. Redknapp went to Spurs when they were in the bottom 3 having tried the Director of Football ('Continental way') with Damien Comolli (?) and Levy needed a quick fix. There's no way Redknapp would have gone there with that set-up and it seemed he got his way, convinced Levy he could sort the situation - as long as he had full control..... Redknapp never had full control at Spurs. Where has this myth come from? How many times was Redknapp asked about incoming players and he used to respond "you'll have to speak to the Chairman about that; he deals wiv those fings." Levy has a Cortese-like role at Spurs and oversees all transfers etc. Commolli didn't work out for them but Levy adopted that position with Harry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 We're digressing somewhat although there are some interesting parallels between the two clubs. Redknapp went to Spurs when they were in the bottom 3 having tried the Director of Football ('Continental way') with Damien Comolli (?) and Levy needed a quick fix. There's no way Redknapp would have gone there with that set-up and it seemed he got his way, convinced Levy he could sort the situation - as long as he had full control..... Which he did to give him his due. Contrary to his reputation he didnt do it by overspending by tens of millions either. Although is seems like "Daniel" was in charge of transfers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 People are talking about this like it's a foregone conclusion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 People are talking about this like it's a foregone conclusion... Which is why i applaud the echo for raising the issue this morning as it's news and all Saints fans are talking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Which is why i applaud the echo for raising the issue this morning as it's news and all Saints fans are talking about it. You know, I can't really work out whether you're on a wind up on some sort of serious mind warping drug!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveygwyatt Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Maybe it has some truth in it, had a text message from my dad yesterday saying Rednapp and joe jordan were in the platform tavern yesterday. Could just be coincidence of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_disco123 Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 for me its either got to be benetiz or gordon S. both world class managers who would no doubt be willing to come to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Maybe it has some truth in it, had a text message from my dad yesterday saying Rednapp and joe jordan were in the platform tavern yesterday. Could just be coincidence of course. Was Rosie there as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 I wonder what part of Redknapps previous tenure here convinces certain posters of his suitability now? I can think of these positives: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 I wonder what part of Redknapps previous tenure here convinces certain posters of his suitability now? I can think of these positives: Ermm.........give me minute....................err...no sorry......can`t think of any... Actually give me a week and i could not think of any reasons for his suitabilty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroader07 Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Dalek to the main board please, Dalek to the main board. As crazy as it may sound there is only one man who I could see rising to our challenge if Adkins goes. Needs to be able to work with a controversial driven chairman, work to bring through youth in a set system into an attacking side and be able to tighten up the defence. #Braces himself# His name is Ian Holloway. good shout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 I wonder what part of Redknapps previous tenure here convinces certain posters of his suitability now? I can think of these positives: The only one I can think of is the same as the last one...where I had Jamie's Mrs sat just in front of me....a nice family day out at SMS with the Pa in Law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Can we have a poll to vote for our prefered replacement 'IF' Nigel gets the bullet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Just saw this article on the beeb http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19985608 "Our philosophy is that we want about 70% of our first team to have come from our own youth academy. It is our lifeline to survive against bigger clubs, and if we hit that 70% mark then it shows that doing it our way is working. Sounds like we need to tempt Mr de Boer from Ajax;)............... if Nigel gets the bullet from our own little wise guy. Honestly if Nigel goes I'm really expecting a foreign coach as a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Maybe it has some truth in it, had a text message from my dad yesterday saying Rednapp and joe jordan were in the platform tavern yesterday. Could just be coincidence of course. Is he one of the 14 people left in the world without a camera on their phone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Is he one of the 14 people left in the world without a camera on their phone? I'm one, so that gives him about a 13 in 7 billion chance of being one of the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 We need to get our Mojo back and quick. This is Cortese's opportunity to instal a big name manager with a bit of wow factor, as has long been rumoured he wants. Alternatively, he could just stick with Nige and hope for the best! No idea of their availability, but these are some names that might suit .. *apologies in advance for the spelling* Pep G (this if he would come) van Marwjck Rikjaard van Basten van Gaal Ranieri Donadoni Benitez (probably the most likely) Even by his standards Cortese has been especially quiet whilst our form has been going down the gurgler lately and I wonder if he has been busy drawing up his own list of potential candidates ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Last time 'Arry managed us he came to a team with plenty of attacking quality but a poor defense, which he managed to actually make worse despite that seeming impossible. He destroyed the morale of the entire squad but publically slamming them at every opportunity. I'd say on that basis he shouldn't even be considered... He could be the last thing we need right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 We need to get our Mojo back and quick. This is Cortese's opportunity to instal a big name manager with a bit of wow factor, as has long been rumoured he wants. Alternatively, he could just stick with Nige and hope for the best! No idea of their availability, but these are some names that might suit .. *apologies in advance for the spelling* Pep G (this if he would come) van Marwjck Rikjaard van Basten van Gaal Ranieri Donadoni Benitez (probably the most likely) Even by his standards Cortese has been especially quiet whilst our form has been going down the gurgler lately and I wonder if he has been busy drawing up his own list of potential candidates ... I admire the optimism, but :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Redknapp never had full control at Spurs. Where has this myth come from? How many times was Redknapp asked about incoming players and he used to respond "you'll have to speak to the Chairman about that; he deals wiv those fings." Levy has a Cortese-like role at Spurs and oversees all transfers etc. Commolli didn't work out for them but Levy adopted that position with Harry. Maybe never 'full' but I think it's highly likely he was very influential in the players which came to the club. It's important to remember the dire straits Spurs were in when he went there. Redknapp had the bargaining power not Levy. I think it's also likely that, eventually, Levy wanted to revert the structure of the club to the continenal model and and hence why the relationship deteriorated in recent times leading to Redknapp's sacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Maybe never 'full' but I think it's highly likely he was very influential in the players which came to the club. It's important to remember the dire straits Spurs were in when he went there. Redknapp had the bargaining power not Levy. I've never bought into that, it was always a myth that 'Arry peddled to make himself out to be an amazing manager. Spurs had spent around £40M on transfers that summer; they'd had an appalling start to the season but they had a decent clutch of players and their league position was entirely false at that time. And Redknapp was then allowed to spend a similar amount in the January window, so they were a rich club with a great deal of potential. I think it's also likely that, eventually, Levy wanted to revert the structure of the club to the continenal model and and hence why the relationship deteriorated in recent times leading to Redknapp's sacking. I think the relationship deteriorated due to Harry being a gobsh*te and Levy having had enough of him. Harry did well at Spurs, no doubt; but he/the club spent a lot of money too and didn't achieve far above the levels that sort of spending might have been expected to return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 I've never bought into that, it was always a myth that 'Arry peddled to make himself out to be an amazing manager. Spurs had spent around £40M on transfers that summer; they'd had an appalling start to the season but they had a decent clutch of players and their league position was entirely false at that time. And Redknapp was then allowed to spend a similar amount in the January window, so they were a rich club with a great deal of potential. I think the relationship deteriorated due to Harry being a gobsh*te and Levy having had enough of him. Harry did well at Spurs, no doubt; but he/the club spent a lot of money too and didn't achieve far above the levels that sort of spending might have been expected to return. did arry spend a lot of money....for a top 6 side..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 I admire the optimism, but :lol: Yeah, I agree with that! But, FFS why replace Nige with one of the sad sacks from the failed managers merry-go-round, it would make no sense. Why do we have to limit ourselves to that level of manager (dell sized mentality), cos I'm damned sure Cortese will look to some sort of foreign super manager and probably will be prepared to pay for him. My list was ambitious as I'd heard of them due to them being famous, but other quality guys must be out there and Cortese would clearly have inside knowledge of the Italian scene. If he is actually wanting a change then I'm sure he is lining someone up ready to step straight in, otherwise we are going to have another month of Dean Wilkins in charge ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 did arry spend a lot of money....for a top 6 side..? Only comparitively for a top 6 side. What I'm saying is that his spending was consistently among the highest in the league, and a 4th place finish is testament to that as much as decent management. Like I say, he managed well at Tottenham and having money is no guarantee of success; that said, a highest finish of 4th is around about what you would expect of a competent manager given the resources available to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Why do we have to limit ourselves to that level of manager because we are southampton FC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Don't get me wrong I'm not promoting his return. I have utter disdain for the guy but the more I consider the parallels of the two clubs in terms of structure, figurehead personalities (alledgedly), money spent and league positions (at the comparative time) then it's an intriguing scenario....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lydlinch saints Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 the only managers who will keep us up are Harry or Gordon S , if we stick with Atkins we will complete the 5 year plan in league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 the only managers who will keep us up are Harry or Gordon S , if we stick with Atkins we will complete the 5 year plan in league 1 Yep; this is entirely true, it really is this black and white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 the only managers who will keep us up are Harry or Gordon S , if we stick with Atkins we will complete the 5 year plan in league 1 Harry did a good job at keeping us up last time didn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Pointless debate. It's not going to be Redknapp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lydlinch saints Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 He kept us in it until the last game , if we carry on like we are we will be down before easter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 trouble is....many will go nuts if arry came back....literally...and would make it known at SMS Indeed they would, however, if he then went and won his first five games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 He kept us in it until the last game , if we carry on like we are we will be down before easter Kept us in what? We weren't even in the relegation zone when he took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 He kept us in it until the last game , if we carry on like we are we will be down before easter Easter ?? Christmas more likely if we can't do anything about our defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Redknapp destroyed the last vestiges of confidence in our squad when he came in, constantly talking down the players and the chances of staying up, when he should have been making stirring Churchillian rallying cries. Then, to deliver the Coup de Grace, he signed a load of crocked mercenaries, relatives and miscellaneous journeymen. Do we really want that all over again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 I'm fairly sure we won't be down at Christmas. Agreed, as I mentioned on another thread. 2 years ago on 28th December 2010 Blackpool were 8th with 25th points, and Wolves were bottom with 14 or so points. Wolves survived and Blackpool didn't. Weird league, every team has it's day throughout the season. I know every season is different, but one thing you can be sure of is that nothing is ever really decided by Christmas in any position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Not a chance Harry is getting the job. He isn't suited to it in any way whatsoever. Taking away the obvious hatred for the bloke, I'm not sure why anyone thinks he suits anything going on at the club at the moment? He's not going to fancy implementing anything long term, certainly wouldn't be up for playing the "Southampton Way", won't be told to play 433 like the U21 and U18 teams, won't care too much about bringing the youngsters through, he won't want to work with Reed too closely, he won't be happy without bringing in Jordan and Bond and certainly won't get on with Cortese. Not sure why anyone thinks Cortese will want to look at the next guy as a short term fix either, he'll back himself to get the right man for the job long term. Just like he did with Adkins, he didn't go for anything obvious and got the guy he thought could help run the club the way he wanted. If I had to guess right now, I'd say Martinez but only if Cortese can convince him it's a big enough job for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lydlinch saints Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 The southhampton way !!! P8 LOST 6 WON 1 DREW1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 What Redknapp did last time is totally irrelevant to what he might do now. It was 7 years ago, he didn't want to be here from day one and he inherited a team which was in huge decline and beset by injuries to key players in Svenson and Oakley. I thought he'd keep us up but it's worth remembering the rot had already set in, I think we'd only won twice when he arrived and we looked a team destined for the drop. Since then he's turned Pompey who were relegation fodder when he went back into an FA Cup winning team and spurs form the bottom 3 into the champions league for the first even. As I've said a couple of times on this thread, with my Saints fan head on I don't want him anywhere near us, but thinking rationally I can't think of anyone better to establish us as a Premeir league club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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