Turkish Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Better call the factory and get them to stop the production line. No more foam hands for us. Oh no, I've got a range of Bond themed t-shirts lined up. Pictures of Harry and Kevin Bond with the slogan 'on his majestys secret service' and 'the chairman who loved me' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Like I said coming out and responding to that is the dreaded 'vote of confidence'. Not getting involved in media speculation and tittle tattle is a better way in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 After the crap the Echo has published and continues to publish, I would not talk to them either. Some years ago, I gave them a prepared statement on a local business issue (not football or football related in any way) and the garbage they published convinced me never to do it again. They are simply feeding off the syndicated scraps and embellishing them to make a non story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Its about Adkins future saying saints have put wall of silence! Nothing story really, as no club talks about their manger in those terms! Very weird that Saints have put out statement at this point tho as they never talk to echo! Feeling Adders could be a dead man walking this morning Um, this story has absolutely nothing to do with the manager. It's the club stating their long-standing policy which was always sensible, but became another Cortese Vendetta as a result of Cortese going mental about the paper phoning Mali staff about Liebherr's death. It has been issued to draw attention to the fact that the club doesn't EVER comment on speculation, precisely to illustrate that there is nothing unusual about the "wall of silence" and it should no way be assumed to be related to any story the paper is running. Orrrr, you can ignore this, and start screaming about it like your head was on fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 The Echo reneged on an agreement with the club. The role of the local paper is diminishing, whoever within the The Echo decided to go against the clubs wishes basically cut the papers own throat. The club may look petty but the Echo look very dumb in all of this. Not saying the Echo haven't ballsed up or done anything wrong, but it's hardly crime of the century. Just think the club don't help themselves sometimes with their PR management, this morning being a good example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 A battling but fortunate point against spurs followed by humiliation at elland road will seal the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 I've put the Echo on ignore. btw, 'Arry is going to QPR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Oh no, I've got a range of Bond themed t-shirts lined up. Pictures of Harry and Kevin Bond with the slogan 'on his majestys secret service' and 'the chairman who loved me' I had Harry down for "you only live twice". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Not saying the Echo haven't ballsed up or done anything wrong, but it's hardly crime of the century. Just think the club don't help themselves sometimes with their PR management, this morning being a good example. The Echo were trying to get the club to comment on speculation about the managers future. If the club had responded to that specific issue, no matter what they said the Echo would have twisted it into either "NA gets dreaded vote of confidence" or "Club refuse to back Adkins as manager". Saying 'we dont answer your questions and we havent for ages' is the best they could have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Oh no, I've got a range of Bond themed t-shirts lined up. Pictures of Harry and Kevin Bond with the slogan 'on his majestys secret service' and 'the chairman who loved me' I had Harry down for "you only live twice". The way he gambles with getting players in it must surely be "Casino Royale" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Saying 'we dont answer your questions and we havent for ages' is the best they could have done. Although some mentals STILL want to read "Adkins is doomed" into it. Isn't it sad that some people have so little in their lives that they have to conjure up drama from everything ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Not saying the Echo haven't ballsed up or done anything wrong, but it's hardly crime of the century. Just think the club don't help themselves sometimes with their PR management, this morning being a good example. Not sure what "PR Management" has to do with this. If the club needs to get a message out then there are many more appropriate and efficient ways than using a local paper to do so. Unless it is actually believed that the club not talking to the local paper is bad PR?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 The Echo were trying to get the club to comment on speculation about the managers future. If the club had responded to that specific issue, no matter what they said the Echo would have twisted it into either "NA gets dreaded vote of confidence" or "Club refuse to back Adkins as manager". Saying 'we dont answer your questions and we havent for ages' is the best they could have done. That's what I've said throughout the thread. My point is on their general "We will never, ever speak to the local paper" policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Not sure what "PR Management" has to do with this. If the club needs to get a message out then there are many more appropriate and efficient ways than using a local paper to do so. Unless it is actually believed that the club not talking to the local paper is bad PR?? I'm not an expert on such things, so I'd happily defer anyone's more informed opinion, but surely a well run PR/media team manages the local/relevant media and tries to work with them to have as many positive stories and as few negative stories as possible? Most businesses emply such people to manage a positive working relationship with the relevant press and don't just say "We never talk to them"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 That's what I've said throughout the thread. My point is on their general "We will never, ever speak to the local paper" policy. I hope this is fairly low down on your list of concerns as I can't see it changing for the foreseeable future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 I had Harry down for "you only live twice". Very good sir. Although the Nigel Adkins 'die another day' baseball caps are appearing to have a limited shelf life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 If the club answered every speculative question they'd never get anything done. So what does the PR department actually do then? I only ever see work on the official site, which goes against having a dedicated spokesman if the club refuses to cooperate with the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 I had Harry down for "you only live twice". ""Never say "I'll Never go down the road" again" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 I hope this is fairly low down on your list of concerns as I can't see it changing for the foreseeable future. Yeah can't see it changing either, obviously it's not exactly life or death, but just find it a bit odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayrivers Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 For me The Echo seems to have had a negative agenda where Saints are concerned over the last several years. Even this non-story here. There is nothing new, they have asked a stupid question so have a stupid answer. What did they expect - the club to say, actually you know what. We are thinking things over. Most of their Saints related stories over the last few years seem to always be having a dig at the club. This may be motivated by the clubs lack of communication with them, but it's not going to get anything resolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 ""Never say "I'll Never go down the road" again" Just wait until the 'Nick NAck Cortese' range are unveiled before the spurs game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Um, this story has absolutely nothing to do with the manager. It's the club stating their long-standing policy which was always sensible, but became another Cortese Vendetta as a result of Cortese going mental about the paper phoning Mali staff about Liebherr's death. It has been issued to draw attention to the fact that the club doesn't EVER comment on speculation, precisely to illustrate that there is nothing unusual about the "wall of silence" and it should no way be assumed to be related to any story the paper is running. Orrrr, you can ignore this, and start screaming about it like your head was on fire. How dare yo post something sensible on here - dont you know all our heads are meant to be exploding in a fit pof panic, rage and unhealthy obsession? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Just wait until the 'Nick NAck Cortese' range are unveiled before the spurs game Would have thought 'Two Promotions is Not Enough' would be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 For me The Echo seems to have had a negative agenda where Saints are concerned over the last several years. Even this non-story here. There is nothing new, they have asked a stupid question so have a stupid answer. What did they expect - the club to say, actually you know what. We are thinking things over. Completely disagree. The Echo is doing what it does - journalism. It's a shame the club has resorted to this tactic and looks set to employ it for the foreseeable future. It grates on me when corporations, in whatever industry, refuse to cooperate with the press for fear of probing questions or anything perhaps unsavoury coming to light. I'd be far more confident with what's going on at Saints if there was a relationship with the local press. I do not agree with stories spoon fed from the club to a particular media (hello, BBC) which fits in with their agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOWY Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Shows how amateurish the clubs marketing department is. A story that would have passed by completely unnoticed is highlighted by their own contradictive statement. The Echo must be delighted with all the extra hits they will be getting on their website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 23 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Shows how amateurish the clubs marketing department is. A story that would have passed by completely unnoticed is highlighted by their own contradictive statement. The Echo must be delighted with all the extra hits they will be getting on their website. Thats what I was thinking, why respond? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Would have thought 'Two Promotions is Not Enough' would be good. Dr No (respect for our history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayrivers Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Thats what I was thinking, why respond? Having just read the statement again and the story - I would assume it's because the echo are making out that they have "put up a wall of silence over questions regarding the future of manager Nigel Adkins". So as many others have said are just reminding people that this is nothing out of the ordinary - hence a non-story. End of! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Well it's time they did. Lots of unrest among fans at the moment. About Reeds role, transfer cock ups and stuff in the background. Only on this forum, and lets face it this lunatic asylum represents a very small section of our fanbase. Who gives a monkeys toss what no shows like Alpine 5 bellies think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Completely disagree. The Echo is doing what it does - journalism. It's a shame the club has resorted to this tactic and looks set to employ it for the foreseeable future. It grates on me when corporations, in whatever industry, refuse to cooperate with the press for fear of probing questions or anything perhaps unsavoury coming to light. I'd be far more confident with what's going on at Saints if there was a relationship with the local press. I do not agree with stories spoon fed from the club to a particular media (hello, BBC) which fits in with their agenda. Maybe SFC do not trust The Echo newspaper or its staff? I know I do not Problem we have in society today:rolleyes: We are unable to trust many of our journalists:( That comes from my own personal experience, working with many journalists, during years in Southampton, London and around UK. I have even tried to show in certain cases that their information/facts were false/inaccurate or obtained from liars and cheats. But .. they still went ahead without further enquiries/varification just to get the story published. You might call it Journalism:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Shows how amateurish the clubs marketing department is. A story that would have passed by completely unnoticed is highlighted by their own contradictive statement. The Echo must be delighted with all the extra hits they will be getting on their website. What the hell has this got to do with marketing? The club have basically said "no comment" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Only on this forum, and lets face it this lunatic asylum represents a very small section of our fanbase. Who gives a monkeys toss what no shows like Alpine 5 bellies think? For once i disagree with that. A lot of fans i've spoken to in person are also concearned about the goings on at the club with a lot having a bad feeling about things. Usually you are right and the only place there is hysteria is on internet message boards. However with all the rumours and speculation about Adkins, who is in charge of team matters, the stuff that is coming out about Cortese and the way the club is run and people are treated, the training ground and the shambles that our transfer window was for the first time people away from spaz boards are starting to ask questions and usually level headed people are starting to get a feeling somehthing is seriously wrong inside Cortese Towers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Saints have just this morning, tweeted the following statement: "For clarification, the following statement was issued to the Southern Daily Echo in relation to the story they are running this morning. It has been the Club’s conscious policy for the last three years not to reply to questions or calls for statements from the Daily Echo and this will continue to be Club Policy." More worrying is the club's clear grasp of grammar, as that kind of capitalisation (and it making the final cut of a statement) is the mark of an uneducated person. Even here we're a bit Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Lindford Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Um, this story has absolutely nothing to do with the manager. It's the club stating their long-standing policy which was always sensible, but became another Cortese Vendetta as a result of Cortese going mental about the paper phoning Mali staff about Liebherr's death. It has been issued to draw attention to the fact that the club doesn't EVER comment on speculation, precisely to illustrate that there is nothing unusual about the "wall of silence" and it should no way be assumed to be related to any story the paper is running. Orrrr, you can ignore this, and start screaming about it like your head was on fire. THIS Yes NA is under pressure, there are maybe 2 or 3 managers in the whole PL who are NOT under pressure for one reason or another. Wasn't the club's 5 year plan as described by Cortese to be in the PL within 4 years to build on stability. Well we have achieved one of the goals early and to not achieve the other would be madness IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 The Echo reneged on an agreement with the club. The role of the local paper is diminishing, whoever within the The Echo decided to go against the clubs wishes basically cut the papers own throat. The club may look petty but the Echo look very dumb in all of this. Think as time goes on, the club looks worse for continuing the feud. Hello, we'll buy a football club in a city, then never talk to that city's newspaper. All a bit playground, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 For once i disagree with that. A lot of fans i've spoken to in person are also concearned about the goings on at the club with a lot having a bad feeling about things. Usually you are right and the only place there is hysteria is on internet message boards. However with all the rumours and speculation about Adkins, who is in charge of team matters, the stuff that is coming out about Cortese and the way the club is run and people are treated, the training ground and the shambles that our transfer window was for the first time people away from spaz boards are starting to ask questions and usually level headed people are starting to get a feeling somehthing is seriously wrong inside Cortese Towers. Personally, the Saints fans I know who don't come on here are still pretty much none the wiser about the percieved issues within the club and are only concerned that we can't defend well enough. I think if we all took a step back and looked at us for what we are (a newly promoted club with tough fixtures and injuries to key players to contend with) then where we actually are in league wouldn't really be too much of a surprise. Obviously, when the club is struggling, everything becomes magnified but a few wins later, not as many people even on here would pay as much attention to all the Cortese, Reed and Adkins rumours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 For once i disagree with that. A lot of fans i've spoken to in person are also concearned about the goings on at the club with a lot having a bad feeling about things. Usually you are right and the only place there is hysteria is on internet message boards. However with all the rumours and speculation about Adkins, who is in charge of team matters, the stuff that is coming out about Cortese and the way the club is run and people are treated, the training ground and the shambles that our transfer window was for the first time people away from spaz boards are starting to ask questions and usually level headed people are starting to get a feeling somehthing is seriously wrong inside Cortese Towers. Come on Turkish time to run up the white flag or would that be a dirty table cloth;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Personally, the Saints fans I know who don't come on here are still pretty much none the wiser about the percieved issues within the club and are only concerned that we can't defend well enough. I think if we all took a step back and looked at us for what we are (a newly promoted club with tough fixtures and injuries to key players to contend with) then where we actually are in league wouldn't really be too much of a surprise. Obviously, when the club is struggling, everything becomes magnified but a few wins later, not as many people even on here would pay as much attention to all the Cortese, Reed and Adkins rumours. Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Our Claus Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 There is nothing wrong with the club (any club) not responding to a newspaper's story. With this particular article, there is nothing to gain from the club issuing a response - they say it's untrue and the paper goes with 'the dreaded vote of confidence' line, they say we don't comment, and the paper runs the 'wall of silence'. However, the attitude of the club in simply refusing to reply to any story from the Echo is petty, and it's pretty short-sighted. Regardless of how a newspaper covers a club, refusing to deal with them is not a sustainable policy, and it does the club no favours with the fan base (so much as they pay attention) in how they view the way the club is being run. And by posting the comments they did on twitter, the club turned a non-story into a story. Not good PR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Personally, the Saints fans I know who don't come on here are still pretty much none the wiser about the percieved issues within the club and are only concerned that we can't defend well enough. I think if we all took a step back and looked at us for what we are (a newly promoted club with tough fixtures and injuries to key players to contend with) then where we actually are in league wouldn't really be too much of a surprise. Obviously, when the club is struggling, everything becomes magnified but a few wins later, not as many people even on here would pay as much attention to all the Cortese, Reed and Adkins rumours. Same for me, I only knew and heard about the shenanigans in the background because Turkish told us.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Personally, the Saints fans I know who don't come on here are still pretty much none the wiser about the percieved issues within the club and are only concerned that we can't defend well enough. I think if we all took a step back and looked at us for what we are (a newly promoted club with tough fixtures and injuries to key players to contend with) then where we actually are in league wouldn't really be too much of a surprise. Obviously, when the club is struggling, everything becomes magnified but a few wins later, not as many people even on here would pay as much attention to all the Cortese, Reed and Adkins rumours. Really? A lot of the ones i know are fully aware of issues at the club, they just cant be arsed with all the blind lemons on here who are desperate to defend their leader in spite of the growing concearn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Come on Turkish time to run up the white flag or would that be a dirty table cloth;) Where's my spoon?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Maybe SFC do not trust The Echo newspaper or its staff? I know I do not Problem we have in society today:rolleyes: We are unable to trust many of our journalists:( That comes from my own personal experience, working with many journalists, during years in Southampton, London and around UK. I have even tried to show in certain cases that their information/facts were false/inaccurate or obtained from liars and cheats. But .. they still went ahead without further enquiries/varification just to get the story published. You might call it Journalism:rolleyes: You've never ever been able to trust journos, there is nothing new about that. Having a row with the press is pointless, particularly when it's the local paper. For many fans it is the only way they get news on the club, instead of free advertising all the club are getting is completely pointless negative PR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Really? A lot of the ones i know are fully aware of issues at the club, they just cant be arsed with all the blind lemons on here who are desperate to defend their leader in spite of the growing concearn. Probably just the circle you hang around with then. Most people I know who are not posters on here have no real opinion of Cortese either way. It's not blind following of him, but outside of this place his general profile is pretty low. 99% of saints would have no clue that Cortese had people looking for a special spoon yesterday unless they came onto this very fine mong board. Ultimately, I think people just want to turn up to football, support the team, hope for a win and go home again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 I do think the club needs to come out and explain a few things. Yes Lowe was always mouthing off, but heard nothing from Cortese for ages. Got some explaining to do. Training ground Transfers Loan Ownership Don't be so bloody naive. This is a privately owned football club so they can do what they want and say nowt of they want. It is not a public listed company so there are no shareholders to answer to. Whenever did you hear anything from Abromovitch about internal business matters. If Adkins is to go then his settlement has to be agreed as well as that of Crosby and others who'll get the big heave-ho with him before any announcements and decisions are made about who comes next. Salarynegotiations, terms and conditions, work permit etc. stuff will have had to have been sorted out also with the new guy. Cortese will not make any statement until everything is complete, i's dotted and t's crossed. He's not the type to have loose ends floating around especially for the press to pick up. These days you don't just wake up and decide "that's it". Adkins will have had all the statutory warnings about his performance no doubt as well as all of the above if he has now been seen to have failed in his duties. It all takes time but it's probably already been done. The last thing this club will want is to put somebody like Dodd in temporary charge for 4 matches whilst searching for a new guy. That's not the image of dithering that Cortese wants to be seen in public. A man of few words but well chosen when they come! Wait for the lovely old phrases to kick in like "mutually agreed", "a new challenge", "taken the club as far as he can", "a new direction".... ... don't expect to hear "Sacked, you useless twit!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Personally, the Saints fans I know who don't come on here are still pretty much none the wiser about the percieved issues within the club and are only concerned that we can't defend well enough. I think if we all took a step back and looked at us for what we are (a newly promoted club with tough fixtures and injuries to key players to contend with) then where we actually are in league wouldn't really be too much of a surprise. Obviously, when the club is struggling, everything becomes magnified but a few wins later, not as many people even on here would pay as much attention to all the Cortese, Reed and Adkins rumours. Makes sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Probably just the circle you hang around with then. Most people I know who are not posters on here have no real opinion of Cortese either way. It's not blind following of him, but outside of this place his general profile is pretty low. 99% of saints would have no clue that Cortese had people looking for a special spoon yesterday unless they came onto this very fine mong board. Ultimately, I think people just want to turn up to football, support the team, hope for a win and go home again. Having not been on here much in the past week or so due to being busy, I can also vouch for not having a clue what this spoon thing is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Having not been on here much in the past week or so due to being busy, I can also vouch for not having a clue what this spoon thing is about. If it was so important to Cortese is should be important to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 You've never ever been able to trust journos, there is nothing new about that. Having a row with the press is pointless, particularly when it's the local paper. For many fans it is the only way they get news on the club, instead of free advertising all the club are getting is completely pointless negative PR. I don't know the answer regarding the dispute between SFC and The Echo.... In a perfect world.. the two sides should get together for their mutual benefit . It would appear SFC can do without The Echo.. but the newspaper definitely needs SFC. We could say that about many disputes over the years. Will their even be an Echo in a few years time.. As regards Journalists...I have also had the same problem with some Police, Lawyers, MPs, Councillors etc:( So, except for most of you journalists..nothing personal.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 If it was so important to Cortese is should be important to you. Unless he had the coaching staff and the players looking for it when they should be training, I couldn't give a monkeys. He can have Sibley looking for his spoon all he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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