St Marco Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 (edited) After having the weekend to think a bit more about it and even after voting in the poll that maybe it was time for Adkins to go, I have changed my mind on that and think we can and will stay up. So why do I feel so confident we will survive despite the fact we seem to be letting in more goals then Katie Price let's in men? Simple really. We are only 1 point away from safety and 2 wins from mid-table. We are not stuck on the bottom 10 or 15 points adrift. But other then that I think if your honest about it and look at the games other then the result we have done very well. In those games how many were 1 sided beatings that reflect the scoreline? Other then Arsenal game none of them. In the vast majority of games this season we have been competative and even looked like winning a few of them. The two games against the Manchester clubs we were so close, the Everton game we started well and had a funny 10 minutes then dominated the game again. It is these little spells that are costing us. It isn't the chairman picking the team that is costing us, it isn't the manager leaving out players that are costing us. It is individual mistakes by the players at bad times which are. The subs sometimes do not help but again look at yesterday, was that really a 4-1 win for West Ham? Not at all. Playing the way we are playing means that we are creating chances and we are in the game. Our problem is that while we are so attacking minded we are vunerable to counter attacks and that is what teams seem to be doing. Our defence is our weakness. Is that a manager problem? Is that a chairman problem? Its a bit of both. We should not have been going into a season in the PL with a back line of players who have not played and performed in it before. Those players are learning at this level too and naturally they will make mistakes. Come January I think we will bring in a proper central defender who has the experience and quality. Having just one of those who can talk to and lead the other three will make a huge difference. It will come good in the end. Edited 22 October, 2012 by St Marco to stop a potential mong war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Bit of a cheek having been negative over the weekend, then calling those still of a negative disposition today "mongs". We will be plenty of points adrift by the time we can do anything about our defence; we are going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 22 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Bit of a cheek having been negative over the weekend, then calling those still of a negative disposition today "mongs". Where was I negative over the weekend? I said maybe Adkins was one of those managers who do really well in the football league but just can't make the jump to PL. There are so many of them. I would hardly call that negative. And by mongs you know what I mean. People who revel in negativity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Where was I negative over the weekend? I said maybe Adkins was one of those managers who do really well in the football league but just can't make the jump to PL. There are so many of them. I would hardly call that negative. You voted that it was time for him to go, now you are enlightened. Well done for leaving the ranks of the "mongs" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 As it stands No chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 I must admit, I did think along the same lines as you until the Fulham game and Saturdays result. It probably wasn't a 4-1 win for West Ham in terms of the game, but they won 4-1 because we made horrendous errors. Everton won 3-1, because we made horrendous errors. Fulham scored 2 goals against us, because we made horrendous errors. It's a theme, we can play well and dominate possession but if we continue to make errors, which looks very likely, then we will continue to lose. Saturdays result has really really worried me. Certain players are letting this club down massively and they need to have a long hard look at themselves Worryingly though, in certain positions, we scream lower-league. And we can't do anything about that until January. So all we can do is hope to god that we're still in touch come January, and we can then get some quality on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 As much I'm naturally geared to PMA and as much as I'd love to agree with you I believe we need a minor miracle to stay up. We're just back from an international break where all our defence (bar Fox) would have been in training, plenty of time to sharpen things up and tighten it up at the back and yet we gifted West Ham 3 goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 I must admit, I did think along the same lines as you until the Fulham game and Saturdays result. It probably wasn't a 4-1 win for West Ham in terms of the game, but they won 4-1 because we made horrendous errors. Everton won 3-1, because we made horrendous errors. Fulham scored 2 goals against us, because we made horrendous errors. It's a theme, we can play well and dominate possession but if we continue to make errors, which looks very likely, then we will continue to lose. Saturdays result has really really worried me. Certain players are letting this club down massively and they need to have a long hard look at themselves Worryingly though, in certain positions, we scream lower-league. And we can't do anything about that until January. So all we can do is hope to god that we're still in touch come January, and we can then get some quality on board. There. You've done it. Didnt hurt that much, did it ? FWIW, I share your last sentiments, but its going to be tough keeping in touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 22 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 22 October, 2012 You voted that it was time for him to go, now you are enlightened. Well done for leaving the ranks of the "mongs" I would hardly call myself a negative mong even by voting it was time for a change..... pretty sure im one of the few positive ones left on this board. But if you actually read my comments your see I said he deserves at the bare minimum the next 3 games. If those games are still the same then maybe it needs looking at. That is why I have changed my mind because I have had time to reflect on it and based on the reasons above I think i'm right to have changed it. It is more down to the players then the manager. It is okay to change your mind you know, it is okay to admit you are wrong on an opinion. There is no shame in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 I would hardly call myself a negative mong even by voting it was time for a change..... pretty sure im one of the few positive ones left on this board. But if you actually read my comments your see I said he deserves at the bare minimum the next 3 games. If those games are still the same then maybe it needs looking at. That is why I have changed my mind because I have had time to reflect on it and based on the reasons above I think i'm right to have changed it. It is okay to change your mind you know, it is okay to admit you are wrong on an opinion. There is no shame in it. Oh, I agree. I just think its a cheek to immediately turn around and abuse those who are of a similar frame of mind as you were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Teams that concede 114 goals in a single season get relegated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Bit of a cheek having been negative over the weekend, then calling those still of a negative disposition today "mongs". We will be plenty of points adrift by the time we can do anything about our defence; we are going down. Change the record. You are ever so boring. Let me guess, I bet you also said we would not get promoted from L1, and then again last season? Am I right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Teams that concede 114 goals in a single season get relegated Well we haven't yet have we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 22 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Oh, I agree. I just think its a cheek to immediately turn around and abuse those who are of a similar frame of mind as you were. I'm talking about people who are negative for the sake of being negative. If we won the pl and the champions league in the same season they would still find a way to bash the club. They are not of similar mind to me. They base their reasons for being negative on the chairman, believing his 'influence' on the team is what is making us lose. Which I don't think is true. I don't think it matters who picked the team, if the players fall over and let Van Persie get a chance to score not sure you can blame the chairman or even the manager for that mistake? And right now thats where we are at. Too many individual errors which indicate to me that some of them are not good enough for this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Our fortunes will begin to change for the better when we have some players back from injury, like Cork, Ramirez and Lee for example. Had those three been available, I'm fairly happy that we would have been a bit further ahead in the table. And despite the recent results which have knocked the confidence of some posters, I still believe that not only will we survive, but we will be comfortably mid-table come the end of the season. Some say we will be relegated and they are entitled to their opinions, but we will just have to wait and see which faction is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 (edited) As things stand, no. The mistakes at the back have become too consistent, there is always a spell in every game where we suffer brain fade and gift the opposition a golden chance, at this level that leaves only one outcome. Substitutions notwithstanding Adkins isn't doing anything wrong, our set up is fundamentally ok but our defenders are not good enough/sharp enough to do what's needed for 90 minutes. Championship here we come. Edited 22 October, 2012 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 I'm talking about people who are negative for the sake of being negative. If we won the pl and the champions league in the same season they would still find a way to bash the club. They are not of similar mind to me. They base their reasons for being negative on the chairman, believing his 'influence' on the team is what is making us lose. Which I don't think is true. I don't think it matters who picked the team, if the players fall over and let Van Persie get a chance to score not sure you can blame the chairman or even the manager for that mistake? And right now thats where we are at. Too many individual errors which indicate to me that some of them are not good enough for this level. This is entirely Cortese's fault. He is ruining the club. Since he took over the club have gone from bottom of L1 to the Prem in 3 years. Awful Chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Not massively worried at the moment and I think we will improve. However, having watched a fair few other Premier League games so far this season, it's hard to call three teams that I'm confident are worse than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 I think we'll be alright. Got no reason, just think we'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 We can just do a Wigan, look like sure fire for relegation an entire year, have everyone bemoan our back like, turn up to the last 9 games, win them all and stay up. Just as long as we get a point away at QPR, beat Norwich at home as well as Reading and beat Fulham away we can sort the problems out in the transfer market in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Yes. Simply because there is a long way to go and a lot of points to play for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 It will be interesting to see how the players pick themselves up. In the past they have had Nige drawing a line under a defeat and moving on with a smile on his face but given his somewhat sombre demeanour and lack of answers during the post match interview I wonder if they have the character to lift themselves individually and collectively. Just a side thought has anyone thought that the building work disruption at Staplewood has coincided with our poor form even thinking back to tail end of last season when work began? Has it affected our preparation and training methods? Just a thought nothing more than that, just interested to know it others have thought the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 I would hardly call myself a negative mong even by voting it was time for a change..... pretty sure im one of the few positive ones left on this board. But if you actually read my comments your see I said he deserves at the bare minimum the next 3 games. If those games are still the same then maybe it needs looking at. That is why I have changed my mind because I have had time to reflect on it and based on the reasons above I think i'm right to have changed it. It is more down to the players then the manager. It is okay to change your mind you know, it is okay to admit you are wrong on an opinion. There is no shame in it. Your post would have been a lot more intelligently received if you hadn't resorted to calling group of people who hold a different view to you "mongs". Straight away a tedious row starts so why do it if you want to make a serious point which evidently you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 22 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Your post would have been a lot more intelligently received if you hadn't resorted to calling group of people who hold a different view to you "mongs". Straight away a tedious row starts so why do it if you want to make a serious point which evidently you do. There is holding a different view then there is holding a different view for the sake of being negative and trying to **** stir. Sorry Fitzhugh but anyone who bases opinion of someone from rumours they hear down the pub or from what Dave the chippy heard from his mate who knows someone who cleans the toilets is well and truely a mong. But hey I will edit that part out as it seems to have caused some offence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Your post would have been a lot more intelligently received if you hadn't resorted to calling group of people who hold a different view to you "mongs". Straight away a tedious row starts so why do it if you want to make a serious point which evidently you do. Sorry for having pointed it out in the first place, but it was then a bit irritating how he tried to justify it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Based on current evidence we will be relegated shipping in three goals a game makes in inevitable even if we only let in two goals a game we will still be relegated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Out of interest, I watched the QPR game yesterday. They would murder us. I also think Reading have the kind of formation and players to get a few results. In contrast our midfield and defence is like butter, so I think we're down unless we spend big on defenders and midfielders and get Nige to buck his ideas up or Nicola to butt out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncoboy Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 It will be interesting to see how the players pick themselves up. In the past they have had Nige drawing a line under a defeat and moving on with a smile on his face but given his somewhat sombre demeanour and lack of answers during the post match interview I wonder if they have the character to lift themselves individually and collectively. Just a side thought has anyone thought that the building work disruption at Staplewood has coincided with our poor form even thinking back to tail end of last season when work began? Has it affected our preparation and training methods? Just a thought nothing more than that, just interested to know it others have thought the same. Blimey we can all be guilty of conjuring theories out of nothing. So changing yhr manager wont cause disruption. What we need is the injured players to retrunr and our defence to have a half decent game. Stated it here calmly we can beat Spurs in fact we can beat any team on our day. Saints will stay up because we will fix the defence in Dec we should have our injured players back and we have demonstrated we can score plenty of goals. Lets remain calm and deal with the reality of the situation rather than NC is an agent of the devil plotting to oust NA and install Hoddle and that their is a curse on the training ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 We can just do a Wigan, look like sure fire for relegation an entire year, have everyone bemoan our back like, turn up to the last 9 games, win them all and stay up. Just as long as we get a point away at QPR, beat Norwich at home as well as Reading and beat Fulham away we can sort the problems out in the transfer market in January. You mean do a Saints? How many times in the 90s did we just scrape by after a blinding end to the season? Dellhurst park season anyone? 98/99 wasn't it? Plus the many before that in the 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 All that matters is we find the spoon. It's a true story BTW not made up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 All that matters is we find the spoon. It's a true story BTW not made up. Who gives a fuk You have your wish... Nearly You have been waiting to get your teeth into the chairman for a while You have nearly got your wish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 All that matters is we find the spoon. It's a true story BTW not made up. Exactly this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Out of interest, I watched the QPR game yesterday. They would murder us. I also think Reading have the kind of formation and players to get a few results. In contrast our midfield and defence is like butter, so I think we're down unless we spend big on defenders and midfielders and get Nige to buck his ideas up or Nicola to butt out. QPR are bottom for a reason. There defence is almost as bad as ours. There are 5-6 teams that are really struggling and should all be looking over there shoulder including Saints, QPR and Reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 If we sign two decent CB's in January then yes, we have every chance. If we don't, no chance. Our only aim for the season then would be trying not to break Sunderland's unwanted record... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 QPR are bottom for a reason. There defence is almost as bad as ours. There are 5-6 teams that are really struggling and should all be looking over there shoulder including Saints, QPR and Reading. QpR will murder us... iMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 If we sign two decent CB's in January then yes, we have every chance. If we don't, no chance. Our only aim for the season then would be trying not to break Sunderland's unwanted record... Derby's Put point taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 OK, I am thick, I am really not getting this "spoon" routine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 I think it's already too late. It will need one hell of a turn around to start picking up enough points to survive. I'm not saying it's impossible, just improbable. To be honest, I'm not really enjoing this season so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 QPR are bottom for a reason. There defence is almost as bad as ours. There are 5-6 teams that are really struggling and should all be looking over there shoulder including Saints, QPR and Reading. Sorry, but this is balls. QPR gave it a real go yesterday and the team is coming together. They'll be fine. Reading less so but they're still better organised, with better personnel. I really think we are the worst team in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Out of interest, I watched the QPR game yesterday. They would murder us. I also think Reading have the kind of formation and players to get a few results. In contrast our midfield and defence is like butter, so I think we're down unless we spend big on defenders and midfielders and get Nige to buck his ideas up or Nicola to butt out. So, you watched QPR playing against 10 men for half an hour and drew your conclusions about how they would fare against us based on that? Despite Everton being a man short, he was one of their most dangerous and creative players too. I wish that they had had him sent off against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 I think it's already too late. It will need one hell of a turn around to start picking up enough points to survive. I'm not saying it's impossible, just improbable. To be honest, I'm not really enjoing this season so far. Know what you mean. Wondering if we would be better off suffering the perpetual narked aftermath of a failed playoffs campaign, like Cardiff or Huddersfield. At least the enjoyment of the wins and the hope of promotion would build up over every season, leading to deflation every May. Whats to look forward to ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Know what you mean. Wondering if we would be better off suffering the perpetual narked aftermath of a failed playoffs campaign, like Cardiff or Huddersfield. At least the enjoyment of the wins and the hope of promotion would build up over every season, leading to deflation every May. No, the joy last April was completely worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 (edited) Who gives a fuk You have your wish... Nearly You have been waiting to get your teeth into the chairman for a while You have nearly got your wish It's not a wish Jamie. My wish is for a well run club with a group of decent players with a manager we like and a chairman that keeps out of the way and doesn't make enemies and upset people at the club and city I love. I want to like Cortese and have made excuses for his behaviour in the past but the more I hear about him the more I dislike him. I'm Sure he doensnt give a f*ck as he doesn't care what fans think but if you think I want this situation you are wrong. Edited 22 October, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 OK, I am thick, I am really not getting this "spoon" routine. As per my now blocked thread. Cortese has lost one of spoons. It's a true story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 I think it's already too late. It will need one hell of a turn around to start picking up enough points to survive. I'm not saying it's impossible, just improbable. To be honest, I'm not really enjoing this season so far. Too late? It's not even November! I'm not saying we are doing well, or that things don't need to (drastically) improve, but this seems pretty knee-jerk to me. We aren't even a quarter of the way through the season, and we aren't (yet) adrift from the table yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 As per my now blocked thread. Cortese has lost one of spoons. It's a true story. You know what turkish i reckoned some part of that story was true, and i was looking forward to getting the inside "scoop" till the dumb mods locked it. Give it me straight, without hyperbole or embellishments. Is it a literal spoon he's lost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Too late? It's not even November! I'm not saying we are doing well, or that things don't need to (drastically) improve, but this seems pretty knee-jerk to me. We aren't even a quarter of the way through the season, and we aren't (yet) adrift from the table yet. Jesus, someone more patience that me explain to this person how we can do jack-sh*t to improve this defence until January, when another dozen games have expired and we are most likely adrift... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 You know what turkish i reckoned some part of that story was true, and i was looking forward to getting the inside "scoop" till the dumb mods locked it. Give it me straight, without hyperbole or embellishments. Is it a literal spoon he's lost? Its not a scoop. Turkish is insistent that it is a spoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Sorry, but this is balls. QPR gave it a real go yesterday and the team is coming together. They'll be fine. Reading less so but they're still better organised, with better personnel. I really think we are the worst team in the league. sorry but this is balls. QPR are rubbish. they are less of a team collectively than we are. Reading are better in defence granted but not in midfield or attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Sorry, but this is balls. QPR gave it a real go yesterday and the team is coming together. They'll be fine. Reading less so but they're still better organised, with better personnel. I really think we are the worst team in the league. I thought that, thought that Everton looked distinctly average without Fellaini as well. 2 old centre backs though, I'm sure that there's a lesson to be learned there somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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