Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Now obviously I don't mean in relation to Nigel, but the start to the season with us playing good football, some narrow defeats against good teams (Birmingham), decent wins to give us hope (Derby) etc, but being horribly let down by the defence, time after time. Our youthful exuberance and confidence waned after a while. Will this happen and will we start playing really badly through all facets of the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 and trying to play some revalutionary system which we didn't have the players capable of playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Now obviously I don't mean in relation to Nigel, but the start to the season with us playing good football, some narrow defeats against good teams (Birmingham), decent wins to give us hope (Derby) etc, but being horribly let down by the defence, time after time. Our youthful exuberance and confidence waned after a while. Will this happen and will we start playing really badly through all facets of the team? The string of results are going to be reflected in team spirit and motivation at some point, of that you can be sure. If they arent already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 and trying to play some revalutionary system which we didn't have the players capable of playing. You can select any system you like, none will cope with the clown like defending we've shown at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Come to think of it, it does remind me a little of that time.....but at least this time the opposition is half decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Hmm...Never thought of that! Was only talking to a friend about Jan's time here just last night but didn't think to compare his team to Adkins. It's very similar now you mention it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 The analogy for me which is more relevant is the last season we were in the PL with tactically clueless manager, dodgy keeper and dodgy central defenders having let a perfectly good alternative slip through our fingers. Leaded to relegation then too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 The analogy for me which is more relevant is the last season we were in the PL with tactically clueless manager, dodgy keeper and dodgy central defenders having let a perfectly good alternative slip through our fingers. Leaded to relegation then too. Tactically clueless? F**k me you are an idiot. How do you explain how the man has managed 4 promotions in 6 years? Sheer luck. You really are a complete tard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Tactically clueless? F**k me you are an idiot. How do you explain how the man has managed 4 promotions in 6 years? Sheer luck. You really are a complete tard. Sifting carefully through the mindless detritus of your post I actually managed to find a coherent question. Nope, not sheer luck, the actions of a manager who has reached his level and is top-notch at that level, but doesnt appear to have what it takes at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Sifting carefully through the mindless detritus of your post I actually managed to find a coherent question. Nope, not sheer luck, the actions of a manager who has reached his level and is top-notch at that level, but doesnt appear to have what it takes at this level. Haha, only too happy to dish it out, and then whine like a baby when any comes back. Anyway, that still doesn't make the man 'tactically clueless', as you suggested. 'That level' is still a very high-level, the Championship is still amongst the most competitive & most watched leagues in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Haha, only too happy to dish it out, and then whine like a baby when any comes back. Anyway, that still doesn't make the man 'tactically clueless', as you suggested. 'That level' is still a very high-level, the Championship is still amongst the most competitive & most watched leagues in the world. Not aware of any whining. And I think we are proving the size of the gulf between the Championship and the PL. Its more than 30m anyway, much more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 It's not really that similar to Poortvliet's team. At the moment we have a lot of decent attacking players but our defending is dreadful, whereas back then we were just generally a poor team. Don't forget we had Euell, DMG and BWP up front all of whom were terrible. Our football under JP was never the fluid, exciting 'total football' Lowe would have had us believe. Occasionally we showed some glimpses of decent passing and neat build up play through Lallana and Morgan but we put in a lot of rotten and inept performances too. P.S. Kelvin'srightglove, seriously don't bother arguing with alpine, it will only end in 5 pages of pointless repetitive drivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 We are playing some great football but are naive defensively. We struggled to score under JP and had a team of kids. We have some good pros and some very talented players - just are lacking at the back. Simple as. The "revolutionary" system we are playing is the same as about 90% of teams in our league - the difference being the quality of personnel at CB and LB is far superior to what we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Wotte behind the scenes was the Reid of today. However Reid knows that keeping Nigel keeps him in his ill gotten job. No manager of Premier League experience and ability would accept to report to the likes or Reid. Hence unlike in Jan's case Reid is keeping Nigel in place to protect his own position. Personally Jan Poortvliet would be an asset to the current setup and coaching. Jan played as a defender and it's the defense that needs sorting. Could see Jan and Nigel getting on well together and producing great passing football and getting the best out of the youngsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Wotte behind the scenes was the Reid of today. However Reid knows that keeping Nigel keeps him in his ill gotten job. No manager of Premier League experience and ability would accept to report to the likes or Reid. Hence unlike in Jan's case Reid is keeping Nigel in place to protect his own position. Personally Jan Poortvliet would be an asset to the current setup and coaching. Jan played as a defender and it's the defense that needs sorting. Could see Jan and Nigel getting on well together and producing great passing football and getting the best out of the youngsters. Speaking of Wotte, Anyone else see his comments that Scotchland would never get anywhere until their nippers ditched their diet of Buckfast & burgers. Made me lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tisspahars Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 What it reminds me of is this forum in each of the last two years. Those currently spouting "Spurs will put five past us, we are already down, we could beat Derby's points record" are exactly the same as those who spouted "anyone who thinks we will get to the playoffs never mind the automatics playing like this is in la la land" in BOTH of the last two years. They will have forgotten what they wrote then of course having changed to "so proud of my club right now" by the last day of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 and trying to play some revalutionary system which we didn't have the players capable of playing. De Ja Vu ............ Funny old game Saints .... innit ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 What it reminds me of is this forum in each of the last two years. Those currently spouting "Spurs will put five past us, we are already down, we could beat Derby's points record" are exactly the same as those who spouted "anyone who thinks we will get to the playoffs never mind the automatics playing like this is in la la land" in BOTH of the last two years. They will have forgotten what they wrote then of course having changed to "so proud of my club right now" by the last day of the season. Ah yes, but in both of those seasons, we hadn't LOST so many, or CONCEDED so many after the first eight games had we ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Tactically clueless? F**k me you are an idiot. How do you explain how the man has managed 4 promotions in 6 years? Sheer luck. You really are a complete tard. That is the main reason why I think he has NOT got a free rein at SMS He is being made to look clueless, and I don't believe it for a minute "Something is rotten in the State of Denmark" as Shaky said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 I can see why people can see comparisons, but that's just because we're losing every single week and the last time we did that was under the Dutch duo. So that's an easy comparison to make. As a club, we are on a whole new level since then. The management know what they're doing, and I still trust them. I don't think they'd have been able to get 2 successive promotions based on not knowing the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Nothing like the Dutch Duo except the fact that we've lost a few and scored a few. Knee-jerk saint doing what he does best. The Dutch Duo were an exercise in cost-cutting - we were getting rid of and moving players around -Rasiak, Dyer- even after the season had started. There's no sense of that with the current regime which has been utterly serious about investment even if our choice of targets and acquisitions is questionable. Which is more tragic in one sense but still totally different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 season is very much like the very first one in top division, we conceded lots but there was no internet so we did not get stressed out about it, just got behind the team to get enough to survive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 season is very much like the very first one in top division' date=' we conceded lots but there was no internet so we did not get stressed out about it, just got behind the team to get enough to survive[/quote'] Funnily enough I was wondering about that last night so I looked at that season. We scored 74 goals but let in 92 and stayed up BUT we didn't have such bad start or let in any where near as many goals and we won 14 games in 42 matches and we had Ron Davies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Come to think of it, it does remind me a little of that time.....but at least this time the opposition is half decent. Yes but the team has had 30m spent on it too this time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whizzpop Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 If it reminds me of any season it is the one of George Burley's last year before Pearson came in, 07-08 season? We were good upfront, very poor at the back, nice passing and players played out of position. Only we don't have Stern John or "Jesus" to save us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 If it reminds me of any season it is the one of George Burley's last year before Pearson came in, 07-08 season? We were good upfront, very poor at the back, nice passing and players played out of position. Only we don't have Stern John or "Jesus" to save us! Ah yes. The legendary season we started against Palace with 0 CBs. Possibly the only season where our defence was worst-prepared than this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whizzpop Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Ah yes. The legendary season we started against Palace with 0 CBs. Possibly the only season where our defence was worst-prepared than this one. quite a few thrashings as well, we lost 4-1 at home to Palace (worst opening game of the season I can remember), 5-0 Hull, 5-0 Sheff Weds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Jesus christ. No, not at all. I'm not even reminded of when we were relegated in the Prem - it still feels like a team this time round, they want to do well for the club. You can see how much it matters. I can remember distinctly the magnitude of the f*ck our players did NOT give when we were relegated in 05. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 No comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 You'd think Adkins deserved a little better than a comparison with the dutch duo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintfully Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Golden thread this for the sheer amount of fu.ckwittage on display. Lol at all who compared a team that achieved b-to-b promotions, to the slaughtered kids and rubbish management of JP and especially Wotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 26 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 26 November, 2012 You'd think Adkins deserved a little better than a comparison with the dutch duo. Wow, another thread you have misunderstood. You seem to be going for a record here. I was comparing the way we started the season, and whether having a young side losing a lot would suffer from a lack of confidence through a lot of defeats. I don't see how this thread is a problem, I have only criticised the defence (the worst through 12 games of the season in Premier League history). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Wow, another thread you have misunderstood. You seem to be going for a record here. I was comparing the way we started the season, and whether having a young side losing a lot would suffer from a lack of confidence through a lot of defeats. I don't see how this thread is a problem, I have only criticised the defence (the worst through 12 games of the season in Premier League history). The buck stops with the manager DPS, you should know this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Another classic Helen Flanagan thread LOL @ DPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 26 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Golden thread this for the sheer amount of fu.ckwittage on display. Lol at all who compared a team that achieved b-to-b promotions, to the slaughtered kids and rubbish management of JP and especially Wotte. Read the thread before responding, that wasn't the point made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Read the thread before responding, that wasn't the point made. Apply within http://www.e4.com/toolacademy/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 These threads make me laugh. All the backtracking must be burning holes in the carpet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 26 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Apply within http://www.e4.com/toolacademy/ Is this anything to do with Helen Finnegan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Is this anything to do with Helen Finnegan? Wotte's she got to do with everything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Big LOL's at the bedwetters ....again ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 26 November, 2012 Author Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Wotte's she got to do with everything? No idea. I don't even know who she is? Glasgow Saint keeps on saying I'm like her. Is she Richard and Judy's daughter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 Some of these resurrected threads are amusing to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 November, 2012 Share Posted 26 November, 2012 The other day on the radio they replayed Rafa's 'fact' rant and Portvliet got a mention...said something about Fergie, must have been before the FA Cup game. Rafa didn't even know how to say his name! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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