Colinjb Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 Crafted him a few that he couldn't convert against Fulham though, 2 quite simple, one a bit harder. Put them all over the top, probably why he got dropped. They were chances that 95% of the real Prem league strikers would take with their hands in their pockets. The one dragged across the box with the open goal waiting..... Could you imagine the reaction if Punch, Jay or Guly had missed that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 I was waiting on the first tee this morning, somebody I know well, that is well connected Saintswise, was in the group behind, he came up for a chat knowing I thought Adkins shouldn't be replaced but that's another story. What he did say, which I found astounding, as I think that Saints always spend the night before an away match in a local hotel near to the venue, was that Lambert was at home on Saturday morning. Can anyone throw any light on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 I was waiting on the first tee this morning, somebody I know well, that is well connected Saintswise, was in the group behind, he came up for a chat knowing I thought Adkins shouldn't be replaced but that's another story. What he did say, which I found astounding, as I think that Saints always spend the night before an away match in a local hotel near to the venue, was that Lambert was at home on Saturday morning. Can anyone throw any light on this? yep...saint sinner posted as such two days ago on here...he 'claimed' that lambert was initally dropped from the whole squad for the west ham game.....so was in North Baddesley......but was recalled to the match day squad and the club sent a car for him.. saint sinner was adament about this but obviously would not say how he knew...he also said that there is a very real chance Lambert will go in january and/also, lambert is royally pished about being dropped/taken off all the time edit...read this http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?40783-Stoke-after-SRL-in-the-Sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 saint sinner was adament about this but obviously would not say how he knew...he also said that there is a very real chance Lambert will go in january and/also, lambert is royally pished about being dropped/taken off all the time I could well believe that but until someone admits (or at least accepts) that we have wasted 7 million £ on a striker that we don't need and isn't as good as the one we had before this is going to keep happening. There is obviously pressure to get JRod on to the pitch every match. Lambert,Sharp,Lee and Mayuka would have been enough to see us through to January at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 I could well believe that but until someone admits (or at accepts) that we have wasted 7 million £ on a striker that we don't need and isn't as good as the one we had before this is going to keep happening. There is obviously pressure to get JRod on to the pitch every match. Lambert,Sharp,Lee and Mayuka would have been enough to see us through to January at least. I find it incredible that for league games, the amount of time lambert has spent off the pitch.....and how people are suggesting it is a good idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 Anyone that picks Guly ahead of Lambert needs mental help imho Two very different players Adkins seems to be asking Lambert to track back and defend too and doesnt believe he has the legs to do so for 90 mins Given they have all sorts of KPI's measuring fitness during training adkins probably knows more about Lamberts ability to last 90 mins the way he wants him playing than we do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 Two very different players Adkins seems to be asking Lambert to track back and defend too and doesnt believe he has the legs to do so for 90 mins Given they have all sorts of KPI's measuring fitness during training adkins probably knows more about Lamberts ability to last 90 mins the way he wants him playing than we do! Although I suspect that the 2 or 3 relatively simple looking chances that SRL missed against Fulham wouldn't have obtained unanimous approval, without doubt there's a knobber somewhere in our set up saying "Jesus my boy JRod would have scored those blindfolded". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 I could well believe that but until someone admits (or at least accepts) that we have wasted 7 million £ on a striker that we don't need and isn't as good as the one we had before this is going to keep happening. There is obviously pressure to get JRod on to the pitch every match. Lambert,Sharp,Lee and Mayuka would have been enough to see us through to January at least. I agree with this, Mayuka looks more the sort of striker we needed to bring in during the summer in the brief glimpses we've seen of him, quick & direct. It could be that Rodriguez just needs a league goal to get his confidence up, he's made some decent runs and got into some good positions but when it comes to the end product he never looks like scoring. On current form he isn't living up to the price tag I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 It could be this ridiculous 'policy' to play only 433. It doesn't really work for Lambert. he is a clever footballer not a front running workhorse. He is also the best goalscorer we have. We need him in tandem with another striker plus pace at least on one side. It may be that Adkins always intended to call him in after isolating him. I hope they have come to terms because he is the one player that can score goals. We need him more than he needs us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 It could be this ridiculous 'policy' to play only 433. It doesn't really work for Lambert. he is a clever footballer not a front running workhorse. He is also the best goalscorer we have. We need him in tandem with another striker plus pace at least on one side. It may be that Adkins always intended to call him in after isolating him. I hope they have come to terms because he is the one player that can score goals. We need him more than he needs us. vs. Aston Villa we had Lambert with Ramirez behind in a central role, Rickie wasn't isolated at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 It could be this ridiculous 'policy' to play only 433. It doesn't really work for Lambert. he is a clever footballer not a front running workhorse. He is also the best goalscorer we have. We need him in tandem with another striker plus pace at least on one side. It may be that Adkins always intended to call him in after isolating him. I hope they have come to terms because he is the one player that can score goals. We need him more than he needs us. Exactly. You pick a formaiton to suit the players you've got, not pick a formaiton then try to fit the players into it. It's very basic stuff. As is being solid at the back and building your team on that base. It's no wonder Reed was sacked at Charlton and is regarded as their worst manager ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 It could be this ridiculous 'policy' to play only 433. It doesn't really work for Lambert. he is a clever footballer not a front running workhorse. He is also the best goalscorer we have. We need him in tandem with another striker plus pace at least on one side. It may be that Adkins always intended to call him in after isolating him. I hope they have come to terms because he is the one player that can score goals. We need him more than he needs us. This whole 4-3-3 thing has gone beyond a joke. We haven't played 4-3-3 every game and Adkins has changed the system round many times already this season, 4-4-1-1 and 4-2-3-1 and 4-4-2 have all been used at times. He said that about 4-3-3 during his "30 minutes of gloom" after the WHU defeat before he put his positive head back on and discovered poetry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 Anyway, do we not normally get a coach up on the morning of London games?? Apols if we don't, not sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 vs. Aston Villa we had Lambert with Ramirez behind in a central role, Rickie wasn't isolated at all. Try reading it again. Isolating had nothing to do with football but in the sense of Lambert being left out of the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 27 October, 2012 Share Posted 27 October, 2012 Exactly. You pick a formaiton to suit the players you've got, not pick a formaiton then try to fit the players into it. It's very basic stuff. As is being solid at the back and building your team on that base. It's no wonder Reed was sacked at Charlton and is regarded as their worst manager ever. The only game I've seen this season that we have looked competent is the 441/1 that we played v Villa with Clyne supporting the attacking 4 who were interchanging well. The players looked comfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 Not convinced he made any difference today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 Of the two, Rodriguez was the better player today IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 Of the two, Rodriguez was the better player today IMHO. Prob agree but then until mayuka came on lambert was deeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 (edited) J rod for me today. Really happy that he got th goal. And could've had another. Hopefully this will lift his spirits. And he can start a little run if form. By god we need it. Edited 28 October, 2012 by Stepgar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 Lambert was poor today, touch was off. Rodriguez was much sharper, movement was quicker etc. (but his hold up play needs to improve). Delighted for his first PL goal though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 Lambert was poor today, touch was off. Rodriguez was much sharper, movement was quicker etc. (but his hold up play needs to improve). Delighted for his first PL goal though. Yep, agree with that. Apart from Rodriguez missing the header just before his goal, bit of a shocker that. Glad he's off the mark, he's starting to look like a decent player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colbury Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 I disagree about Rodriguez .. I think he looks lost, shot of confidence and is about as strong as a new born baby when trying to hold the ball up. I also thought he was a lot better in the air than he is. Out of his depth (at the moment anyway) and I feel a bit sorry for the lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 I disagree about Rodriguez .. I think he looks lost, shot of confidence and is about as strong as a new born baby when trying to hold the ball up. I also thought he was a lot better in the air than he is. Out of his depth (at the moment anyway) and I feel a bit sorry for the lad.I couldn't disagree more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 28 October, 2012 Share Posted 28 October, 2012 I couldn't disagree more +1 thought he was the pick of a poor team today - contributed twice as much as Lambert, pace movement and link up was good. He missed a good chance but finished his goal well and hopefully will now kick on. Problem is with that price tag on his head he has to be getting hat tricks and battering defences which is not going to happen yet. He is work in progress and going to take time but I can see a decent player in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonian Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 With so many striking options, rickie has got to perform better than he did against Spurs to be an automatic starter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 impact over the season...we are a far better team with lambert in it.....we have not lost any part of the match where he has scored AND been on the pitch.... Statistically we're a lot less likely to lose in ANY situation where we've already got a one-goal advantage, so this is hardly a major point or much to do with the person in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 I find it utterly incredible that people are trying to justify our best player being left out and subbed all the time. Face facts, it's a f*ck up. Seriously, Lambert, our best player? Jesus Christ. He is one of a few key players. We are premier league now, he is slow, and he is 30. I love him to bits but he is not going to be suited to every game so he shouldn't expect to start every game.. He has not been stand out in any of the last 3 matches.... others have, yet he is our best player? I wonder if we are paying him the same as Gaston, or davies for that matter. Personally I think Lallana is more important for our team now and going forward. Don't get me wrong. Lambert is a class player and a strue saints legend... But gallas totally handled him and others will as well. He will not be suited to all oppositions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 I find it incredible that for league games, the amount of time lambert has spent off the pitch.....and how people are suggesting it is a good idea... I find it incredible that you regard the existence of a person on a pitch as some kind of relevant pointer to their influence. For instance, Jose Fonte has probably been on the pitch for all of our goals so far, is he an attacking talisman ? Maybe just pointing out the goals which Lambert has had some DIRECT influence on, and factoring in how much time he's had to do that compared to Rodriguez, Guly, Mayuka, etc would give you a relevant point worth labouring. As it is, all you've got is "he's been on there when we've scored", and whilst he's assisted and scored a few, in some situations (Steven Davis v Man City is the obvious one), we scored DESPITE his presence not because of it. I can't imagine there are many sides who'd accept a striker who is back to defend a corner barely getting past the centre circle as 5 of his teammates hare forward into a counterattack. Oh, and as for Lambert's workrate, after being told my assertion that he didn't work hard enough closing down was "garbage", guess what I was watching for on Sunday - and guess what didn't exist ? Closing people down is not his game in any form - and nor should it be with his skillset - but sometimes Saints NEED players who can do that when we don't have the ball and still offer a threat when we do. The simple facts are that Lambert gives us something going foward, and deserves to be strongly considered for every match. But what he gives us can be negated by defences doing their jobs well more easily than they can defend pace and movement, he's not going to be able to suddenly exploit new skills or traits at his age, has to be protected against overplaying to avoid injury, and is no longer a mystery to any opposing manager doing their job properly. Plus there's at least some question about his suitability in away matches where we need to defend from the front. Having said all of that, after next weekend's game we have a run of matches against less strong opponents, and we might again see the kind of attacking that worked in the Championship working in the Prem for a little while. The one good thing that's come out of Lambert's lull is Rodriguez and Mayuka getting the chance to get some match time and showing what they can do, seeing as they're both capable of improving significantly on their already-decent talents. It's getting boring having to point this out over and over, but we're not in the Championship now, Toto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_sinner Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Seriously, Lambert, our best player? Jesus Christ. He is one of a few key players. We are premier league now, he is slow, and he is 30. I love him to bits but he is not going to be suited to every game so he shouldn't expect to start every game.. He has not been stand out in any of the last 3 matches.... others have, yet he is our best player? I wonder if we are paying him the same as Gaston, or davies for that matter. Personally I think Lallana is more important for our team now and going forward. Don't get me wrong. Lambert is a class player and a strue saints legend... But gallas totally handled him and others will as well. He will not be suited to all oppositions. this! Gallas was immense on saturday and as for the wages, I've heard Rickie is on.....wait for it.............................70k per week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Just watched the highlights and it should be Rickie on the end of the balls he put in the box and not the other way round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 this! I've heard Rickie is on.....wait for it.............................70k per week! more likely 70K a month, I really really doubt if anyone is on 70K a week at SFC, nor will be at any time in the foreseeable future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 Rickie is NOT on 70k a week........!!! He's not good enough to earn that kind of money and neither is Gaston. If you said we had Defoe or Walcott playing for us then I would understand that. Cortese IMHO would pay that amount out if it helped us to the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 30 October, 2012 Share Posted 30 October, 2012 this! Gallas was immense on saturday and as for the wages, I've heard Rickie is on.....wait for it.............................70k per week! LOL!!!!!!! What you said the other day has just lost massive amounts of credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_sinner Posted 31 October, 2012 Share Posted 31 October, 2012 LOL!!!!!!! What you said the other day has just lost massive amounts of credibility. I was surprised too! My guess was about 30k but I was told by someone ITK he is on 70k per week now Also, I couldn't give a toss about credibility, just sharing what I know, take it or leave it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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