CLOTH EARS Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 If we do then no matter who comes in, they will have to make do with what we have got. You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear!!! I have my doubts that things will improve much with somebody else UNLESS Nigel has lost the dressing room. If he has then we should change the manager. No matter who is in charge between now and January we MUST stay in touch because if we get cut adrift then attracting quality defenders will be incredibly difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 yes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 We blew this season with our summer transfer activity. You cannot polish a turd. I have my doubts that Mourinho, Guardiola or Ferguson can turn this defence around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 No it probably wont make any difference... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 changing a manager almost makes a difference in every case....one way or another... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 We blew this season with our summer transfer activity. You cannot polish a turd. I have my doubts that Mourinho, Guardiola or Ferguson can turn this defence around. I simply don't believe that. An average of 3 goals conceded per game is not simply down to the players and individual errors; we just refuse to consider a system which will increase our defensive solidity. Whether that's the manager's choice or direction from above; I don't know and it's irrelevant anyway. Adkins was delat a pretty sh*tty hand with the summer transfer activity; but he's compounding that with errors of his own. Yesterday's bizaare selection was another example to highlight my belief that he's been blinded by the lights of the Premier league; he needs to snap out of it, and quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Will another thread debating the merits of a new manager make any difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 We blew this season with our summer transfer activity. You cannot polish a turd. I have my doubts that Mourinho, Guardiola or Ferguson can turn this defence around. I find myself agreeing with you, would have put it slightly differently but the principles are the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 There could be a chance that changing the manager won't make the slightest bit of difference but if we do change at least we can turn around and say that NC tried to do something to keep us up.....doing nothing and stubbornly continuing along the path of no return would be the bigger crime IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 I simply don't believe that. An average of 3 goals conceded per game is not simply down to the players and individual errors; we just refuse to consider a system which will increase our defensive solidity. Whether that's the manager's choice or direction from above; I don't know and it's irrelevant anyway. Adkins was delat a pretty sh*tty hand with the summer transfer activity; but he's compounding that with errors of his own. Yesterday's bizaare selection was another example to highlight my belief that he's been blinded by the lights of the Premier league; he needs to snap out of it, and quickly. exactly right. Transfer activity in terms of defence was crap, but we're compounding that by the tactics we're using and it's not working. Adkins is responsible in large parts for what is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Almost certainly in my opinion, although I voted for Adkins to be given longer. We have a seemingly niave approach to the premier league at the moment and another more seasoned premiership manager would certainly try to stop us conceding as a priority. You can make any unit better defensively and I don't buy the "it'sall down to the players available" argument. Yesterday Yoshida kept appearing very far forward when the defensive priority needs to be stopping goals at the moment. Let the forward players deal with scoring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Yes of course..we will shoot up the league... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 I think the right person will definitely get more from the players, make them better organised and harder to beat. I think Adkins has lost the dressing room. It has to be the right person though. Someone who has been successful in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 The problem is if we don't act now then it will be too late I personally feel Adkins isn't the main to turn us around because he shows no signs of learning from his mistakes. I do think that he may be a puppet to Cortese maybe le Tis really does know the truth either way we are leaking a ridiculous amount of goals. Cortese may even stick with his man as yet he probably won't want to admit Adkins isn't working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Probably, a new manager may just jettison the gung ho attacking football for a few months and concentrate on the essential which is getting some points on the board. We are not Barecelona and it's about time whoever it is at SFC who thinks we are wised up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Probably, a new manager may just jettison the gung ho attacking football for a few months and concentrate on the essential which is getting some points on the board. We are not Barecelona and it's about time whoever it is at SFC who thinks we are wised up. To me . Windows you are always the wise one:D NOW If we could just get Morgan into the right position:rolleyes: we could utilise his wonderful skill to the full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 To me . Windows you are always the wise one:D NOW If we could just get Morgan into the right position:rolleyes: we could utilise his wonderful skill to the full. If we could get some of the defenders to do their fllpping jobs instead of Morgan having to do it for them it might help. Think he puts in about as many tackles a game as all the others combined.So we just need to do a rope a dope like West Ham yesterday, everybody back, long ball forward and wait until they run themselves into the ground. Saints have a Barca fixation but unless you have their players you won't have their success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 The next few games will be key, can we show some signs of improvement? November is a key month with some winnable games, we can't afford to waste those opportunities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 The next few games will be key, can we show some signs of improvement? November is a key month with some winnable games, we can't afford to waste those opportunities. If a hoofball westham put four past us you have to fear that spurs will rip us to shreds next weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 If we could get some of the defenders to do their fllpping jobs instead of Morgan having to do it for them it might help. Think he puts in about as many tackles a game as all the others combined.So we just need to do a rope a dope like West Ham yesterday, everybody back, long ball forward and wait until they run themselves into the ground. Saints have a Barca fixation but unless you have their players you won't have their success. I have grown to see the talent that Morgan is developing into..so to speak.. He is in the wrong position in front of the back four..... You need an anchor man and allow Morgan and Davis to play up either side of the anchor.. We will get so much more from the pair and you would not have the hole wide open, so often , when they go missing upfield. The back four would benefit as well...Who is that anchor man type? Not Morgan ... Now, the back four needs to cut out all the silly mistakes etc.....but I have limited time and will not be able to give my attention.....over to you Windows. COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Who knows, but doing nothing will send us down IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 What would make a difference is bringing in someone experienced in the Premier League to work along side Nigel to teach him what matters in this League. Les Reid definitely isn't that person but Steven Coppell, Harry or even Hoddle would make a difference and allow Nigel to find his way. What's Joe Jordan doing at the moment? In the end Nigel's going to succeed, but, with who, and what price, that is the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 What would make a difference is bringing in someone experienced in the Premier League to work along side Nigel to teach him what matters in this League. Les Reid definitely isn't that person but Steven Coppell, Harry or even Hoddle would make a difference and allow Nigel to find his way. What's Joe Jordan doing at the moment? In the end Nigel's going to succeed, but, with who, and what price, that is the question. I don't disagree with the theory of that, and certainly think either Coppell or Hoddle could assist NA, possibly overseeing defensive coaching.Is Joe Jordan a defensive coach though ? There are two potential conflicts and flaws here though. Firstly, does the new 'assistant' or 'adviser' (whatever the title is) have to be prepared to accept the 4-3-3 blueprint that appears to be handed down ? Secondly, how does this affect the managers authority beyond the short term ? Remember what happened at Middlesboro when Venables was 'assisting' Bryan Robson, the worst kept rumour in football at the time was that Robson was really the teaboy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLY Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Yes it would make a difference, the new manager would have the same players to work with but if they are coached correctly, played in their right positions with the right formation, with our top scorer on the pitch it might make a big difference. I feel sorry for NA but we need to think about the club and its time for him to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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