Stepgar Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Mods feel free to place this where you see it most fits but..... There seems to be a bit of dis-harmony at the club right now. How does J-rod feel about being played more on the wing than in his "normal" position, Ricky supposedly having "words" with NA, the whole question of is NA running the team? I could definitely see where people are coming form and IF this is the case how long before the players get fed up of playing system that doesnt fit them or players out of position or not even being played. Because we have seen it many times - once the manager has lost the dressing room, its game over. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 We will beat Spurs and onwards and upwards.... NA clearly has a little map of The stadium and shirley knows where the dressing room is by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Complete speculation.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Did he go down Cortese's private corridor and take a wrong turn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 It never takes long for the 'rent a rumour' to be recycled does it ? Yesterday someone said NA had handed a list of 12 players to NC in the summer but unable to buy any of them. This appears borrowed from WGS 2003 rumour mill, then it was three or four players, but thats inflation for you. Anyone accused of knobbing Fonte's Mrs recently ? Could be another defender in the team, might explain the lack of willing communication between them at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Complete speculation.... About beating Spurs or NA getting lost on his way to the dressing room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 This is all speculation really, but the reality is that if you lose every week and get hammered (excuse the pun) every week, then the dressing room isn't going to be a happy place. When you're winning everything is fine, but when we're doing as bad as we are everything is magnified to the largest possible degree. I'm sure there have been disagreements behind the scenes this season, the players wouldn't be human if they didn't vent their opinions on certain things (same as the management). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 About beating Spurs or NA getting lost on his way to the dressing room? The threads suggestions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Sorry but the one thing Adkins hasn't done is lose the dressing room. The players are giving their all but just aren't up to Premiership standard in a defense that Adkins isn't concerned about. We have shown brilliant play only for Adkins to screw things up by abysmal substitutions and bad timing in making them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Perhaps we are missing Forecast's influence in the dressing room, and arranging their cocktail evenings in fancy dress. A good team building excercise is called for.Bring Barney back from AFCB, and let Guly drive them all into town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 (edited) The threads suggestions Sorrreee ..I am easily confused. Like the Saints defence:rolleyes: Edited 21 October, 2012 by ottery st mary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Perhaps we are missing Forecast's influence in the dressing room, and arranging their cocktail evenings in fancy dress. A good team building excercise is called for.Bring Barney back from AFCB, and let Guly drive them all into town. They need to come down here and I will give them team building exercise.. along the mud at Lympstone and Exton.. Lazy barstewards..the lot of them:rolleyes: Bring back Colour Sgt Major Lawrie;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 They need to come down here and I will give them team building exercise.. along the mud at Lympstone and Exton.. Lazy barstewards..the lot of them:rolleyes: Bring back Colour Sgt Major Lawrie;) Ottery, Excellent, I remember the photo's of Lawrie walking on Jim Steele's stomach in pre season training.' So a bit of fitness down there, and Slapton Sands, will sort the pussies amongst them out, followed by a pub crawl around Ottery, that will do the trick. The real Alehouse team of the Ted Bates era never needed such 'motivation' though. Just a p1ss up on the Channel Islands as Big Ron put the juniors under his protective wing. Tell that to kids today, and they don't believe you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 I'm not sure if he has lost the dressing room yet but it will surely only be a matter of time if we continue to lose games and leaving key players on the bench or making ridiculous substitutions that change the game in the oppositions favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Ottery, Excellent, I remember the photo's of Lawrie walking on Jim Steele's stomach in pre season training.' So a bit of fitness down there, and Slapton Sands, will sort the pussies amongst them out, followed by a pub crawl around Ottery, that will do the trick. The real Alehouse team of the Ted Bates era never needed such 'motivation' though. Just a p1ss up on the Channel Islands as Big Ron put the juniors under his protective wing. Tell that to kids today, and they don't believe you. Hollywood, Gabriel , Kirby, McGrath , Steele, Huxford and O'Neil.... I had better be careful...bringing these football artiste out of the legends cupboard. Windows will tell me off and say these boyz played too ruff:D Now these guys would not like to be called pussies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Stickman Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 When The Football League Show did their 20 minute piece on Saints’ last day of the season, one of the main things that shone through was the excellent team spirit throughout the squad. The step up to the Premiership obviously necessitated changes to that squad; players have left, others have come in. I don’t know whether these changes have affected team spirit and only time will tell how much they have added to the quality of the squad. Most of the new players have represented their countries and I like to think that, generally speaking, they don’t get to do that unless they are half decent players. A lot of us have mayor reservations over the way these changes have left our squad looking decidedly lopsided, whilst others, including myself, have doubts over the quality of some of the individual signings. Hopefully, over the rest of the season, these doubts will be proven unfounded. There is, however, one signing in particular that I really struggle to get my head around, namely that of Jay Rodriguez. Whilst I don’t doubt this player has good potential, it’s obvious that he’s not a wide man and that the only place he’s effective is playing up front in the middle. So, if we’re going to persist with 433, there is no place for Lambert and Rodriguez in the same team. Now, I can’t believe we spent £7 million on a player simply to act as cover for Lambert; therefore, it seems to me that whoever decided we needed Rodriguez doubted Lambert was Premiership standard. For all I know, that person's doubts may well be proved right. But to make that decision so early in the summer and before giving him the chance to prove himself at this level, strikes me as doing a huge disservice to Lambert who, let’s face it, has been our talisman over the past few seasons. Yes, people can argue that we couldn’t afford to gamble on Lambert proving himself in the Premiership: if he failed we would then be relying on Sharp, Guly, Lee etc until the January window and so, therefore, it was right to buy Rodriguez. Whilst, I can see the merit in this argument, I’m, nevertheless, left with an uncomfortable feeling that Saints have treated Lambert with a degree of disrespect. Perhaps I’m being too sentimental, but if the players feel even slightly the same way as I do then I can’t see how buying Rodriquez can have had anything other than a negative effect on team spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 There seems to be a bit of dis-harmony at the club right now. Where? I've not noticed or heard anything. Are you referring to MLT? If so, he's not at the club. All I can see is us losing and people, understandably, not happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 A journo on 5live jut said he spoke with Adkins after all the press interviews and Nigel was frank that he has no idea how long he will stay in the Job Also, lambert was dropped for "reasons" to remain private. The same journo said that he found out that Nigel and lambert had fallen out. Make of that what you will Also the hack went on to say we were probably one of the worst teams he has ever seen in the 2nd half. A bit of huff and puff. But when west ham up'd it they scored His opinion is that the season will effectively be over come January if we don't make a change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 A journo on 5live jut said he spoke with Adkins after all the press interviews and Nigel was frank that he has no idea how long he will stay in the Job Also, lambert was dropped for "reasons" to remain private. The same journo said that he found out that Nigel and lambert had fallen out. Make of that what you will Also the hack went on to say we were probably one of the worst teams he has ever seen in the 2nd half. A bit of huff and puff. But when west ham up'd it they scored His opinion is that the season will effectively be over come January if we don't make a change No mention of the push that completely changed the game then? The usual typical anti Saints agenda from the BBC........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 A journo on 5live jut said he spoke with Adkins after all the press interviews and Nigel was frank that he has no idea how long he will stay in the Job ...which is about the dumbest question any journo' can ask anyone...... ...unless someone bonks the boss on the nose ..(or bonks his wife)... no-one knows how long they will stay in their job...........it's more of a question for the Chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Complete speculation.... Absolutely. How does J-rod feel about being played more on the wing than in his "normal" position, Ricky supposedly having "words" with NA, the whole question of is NA running the team? "J-Rod" is probably over the moon to be playing in the Premier League on tens of thousands of pounds. Rickie probably has words with NA every day, they work together. Is he unhappy about not playing? I should f*cking hope he is, otherwise he's lost the hunger that saw him bang in all those goals for us. Is NA running the team? Yes, and there is no evidence to the otherwise - regardless of others who mistake our club philosophy for Cortese running the team himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Silly speculation. And I cannot for minute believe Adkins is ignoring the defensive problems. No, the key thing is that the players at the back are being found out - it is not a fitness issue, it is all about mental agility, experience and tactical awareness learnt from the training pitch. Our defenders are just not good enough - some of our midfielders are not good enough either. In fact, it might be said that the team in almost it's entirety (save 3-4) is not good enough to play like Arsenal/Barca for an entire match. We need to have the flexibility to switch things around (i.e. 4-4-2) at crucial times in the game (like when we're losing perhaps). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 A journo on 5live jut said he spoke with Adkins after all the press interviews and Nigel was frank that he has no idea how long he will stay in the Job Also, lambert was dropped for "reasons" to remain private. The same journo said that he found out that Nigel and lambert had fallen out. Make of that what you will Also the hack went on to say we were probably one of the worst teams he has ever seen in the 2nd half. A bit of huff and puff. But when west ham up'd it they scored His opinion is that the season will effectively be over come January if we don't make a change I heard that Ricky and the manager had a big fall-out after the Fulham game. Now you've got a journo saying this on 5live. I am sure there is substance in what he's saying. For what it's worth, I pretty much agree with what this journo is saying. Sad, but in my opinion true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 This has just been made up and always appears after a team has a bad defeat. I do accept however that some of the bizarre team selections and substitutions cannot improve matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanthemanfairoak Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 When The Football League Show did their 20 minute piece on Saints’ last day of the season, one of the main things that shone through was the excellent team spirit throughout the squad. The step up to the Premiership obviously necessitated changes to that squad; players have left, others have come in. I don’t know whether these changes have affected team spirit and only time will tell how much they have added to the quality of the squad. Most of the new players have represented their countries and I like to think that, generally speaking, they don’t get to do that unless they are half decent players. A lot of us have mayor reservations over the way these changes have left our squad looking decidedly lopsided, whilst others, including myself, have doubts over the quality of some of the individual signings. Hopefully, over the rest of the season, these doubts will be proven unfounded. There is, however, one signing in particular that I really struggle to get my head around, namely that of Jay Rodriguez. Whilst I don’t doubt this player has good potential, it’s obvious that he’s not a wide man and that the only place he’s effective is playing up front in the middle. So, if we’re going to persist with 433, there is no place for Lambert and Rodriguez in the same team. Now, I can’t believe we spent £7 million on a player simply to act as cover for Lambert; therefore, it seems to me that whoever decided we needed Rodriguez doubted Lambert was Premiership standard. For all I know, that person's doubts may well be proved right. But to make that decision so early in the summer and before giving him the chance to prove himself at this level, strikes me as doing a huge disservice to Lambert who, let’s face it, has been our talisman over the past few seasons. Yes, people can argue that we couldn’t afford to gamble on Lambert proving himself in the Premiership: if he failed we would then be relying on Sharp, Guly, Lee etc until the January window and so, therefore, it was right to buy Rodriguez. Whilst, I can see the merit in this argument, I’m, nevertheless, left with an uncomfortable feeling that Saints have treated Lambert with a degree of disrespect. Perhaps I’m being too sentimental, but if the players feel even slightly the same way as I do then I can’t see how buying Rodriquez can have had anything other than a negative effect on team spirit.a very good post dead right on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 When The Football League Show did their 20 minute piece on Saints’ last day of the season, one of the main things that shone through was the excellent team spirit throughout the squad. The step up to the Premiership obviously necessitated changes to that squad; players have left, others have come in. I don’t know whether these changes have affected team spirit and only time will tell how much they have added to the quality of the squad. Most of the new players have represented their countries and I like to think that, generally speaking, they don’t get to do that unless they are half decent players. A lot of us have mayor reservations over the way these changes have left our squad looking decidedly lopsided, whilst others, including myself, have doubts over the quality of some of the individual signings. Hopefully, over the rest of the season, these doubts will be proven unfounded. There is, however, one signing in particular that I really struggle to get my head around, namely that of Jay Rodriguez. Whilst I don’t doubt this player has good potential, it’s obvious that he’s not a wide man and that the only place he’s effective is playing up front in the middle. So, if we’re going to persist with 433, there is no place for Lambert and Rodriguez in the same team. Now, I can’t believe we spent £7 million on a player simply to act as cover for Lambert; therefore, it seems to me that whoever decided we needed Rodriguez doubted Lambert was Premiership standard. For all I know, that person's doubts may well be proved right. But to make that decision so early in the summer and before giving him the chance to prove himself at this level, strikes me as doing a huge disservice to Lambert who, let’s face it, has been our talisman over the past few seasons. Yes, people can argue that we couldn’t afford to gamble on Lambert proving himself in the Premiership: if he failed we would then be relying on Sharp, Guly, Lee etc until the January window and so, therefore, it was right to buy Rodriguez. Whilst, I can see the merit in this argument, I’m, nevertheless, left with an uncomfortable feeling that Saints have treated Lambert with a degree of disrespect. Perhaps I’m being too sentimental, but if the players feel even slightly the same way as I do then I can’t see how buying Rodriquez can have had anything other than a negative effect on team spirit. On the face of it you a right he is a strange signing. However I believe that Rodriguez was seen as the long term successor to Lambert. Lambert is 30 now and won't go on forever. Even now he struggles to complete 90 minutes. I believe the club felt wed stay up easily and Rodriguez would eventually succeed Lambert. One thing we've lacked the last couple of seasons is genuine cover and pressure on Lambert. And whilst £6-7m is a lot of Money for Saints it isnt for a young english striker, look a Connor Wickham. I don't believe it's anything more sinister than that. The signing that baffles me is Mayuka. On the face of it what we need, real pace up front be again no room for him in the first 11 and although he maybe able to play wide there is little in his history to suggest he can. Has he really only been signed as an impact sub as I can't see him In the first team and so far neither does nigel by the looks of it. He seems to be third choice out of 3 in his position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangermouth Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Mods feel free to place this where you see it most fits but..... There seems to be a bit of dis-harmony at the club right now. How does J-rod feel about being played more on the wing than in his "normal" position, Ricky supposedly having "words" with NA, the whole question of is NA running the team? I could definitely see where people are coming form and IF this is the case how long before the players get fed up of playing system that doesnt fit them or players out of position or not even being played. Because we have seen it many times - once the manager has lost the dressing room, its game over. Thoughts? Disharmony? Where, when, how? Or just more idle drivel. To think, someone invented the internet for a good reason .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 23 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Disharmony? Where, when, how? Or just more idle drivel. To think, someone invented the internet for a good reason .... Why is it that when anyone has any thoughts of any kind why are we not allowed to express it? I am totally fed up with all the bullying, yes you heard it bullying because that is all it is. Why have a forum if people are effectively not around to post an opinion.? The OP is almost rhetorical. I genuinely do think that the are problems at the club regardless of what "official" tweets say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 You can express your thoughts, but if they are stupid thoughts then you shouldn't complain when that's pointed out. Your thoughts are stupid. And thats not bullying, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Every time we start losing or have a blip - he's lost the dressing room. Lard said it a couple of times before, and I doubt It's any more true than it was then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Every time we start losing or have a blip - he's lost the dressing room. Lard said it a couple of times before, and I doubt It's any more true than it was then. People said that at the start as well. They said the players don't respond to his business speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 He's lost the mongboard, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 (edited) I heard that Ricky and the manager had a big fall-out after the Fulham game. I've heard this also. Apparently RL waited for NA after training following being subbed against Fulham... ...but, the source was some old bird in the horns on Saturday! Don't get me wrong, she may have been reliable. Alternatively she could have added a bit to something that she heard from someone who in turn added a bit to something heard from someone etc etc. The point is that rumours often grow so should be treated carefully. On the original question, I don't see signs that players aren't playing for NA. The team spirit is still there. Edited 23 October, 2012 by egg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 24 October, 2012 Share Posted 24 October, 2012 I've heard this also. Apparently RL waited for NA after training following being subbed against Fulham... ...but, the source was some old bird in the horns on Saturday! Don't get me wrong, she may have been reliable. Alternatively she could have added a bit to something that she heard from someone who in turn added a bit to something heard from someone etc etc. The point is that rumours often grow so should be treated carefully. On the original question, I don't see signs that players aren't playing for NA. The team spirit is still there. I can assure you my source wasn't some bird in a pub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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