SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 When we were 2-1 down today we were well on top from what I can work out reading match reports. Then Wham were given a questionable free kick followed by a clear push on Fonte in the area which resulted in the handball that gave them the penalty. Yet, BBC spent no time analysing the free kick awarded nor did they notice the blatant push on Fonte that led to the penalty. Was this bias from someone within the BBC or was it just poor quality analysis? The resulting goal was pivotal and changed the course of the game. If the referee had got either decision correct then WHam wouldn't have had the goal and who knows... maybe we would have got an equaliser? Surely the BBC should have picked up on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Sorry, from what I saw it looked like Fonte raised his arm and pushed it at the ball. Idiotic defending not bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 didn't see a push ? looked like Fonte was trying to punch Carroll in the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Funny, I was going to start a pis s-take thread complaining about how MOTD was biased against Saints for failing to mention how brilliant/hard done by/totally cheated out of it we were to be so narrowly defeated 4-1. Glad I didn't bother because there's you're never far away from a genuine "anti-Saints agenda" thread. Well done. How come Lineker didn't mention where we were three years ago? It's a disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 100% handball, then just to make sure he tried to pull the hair of one player, and mug another. Looks like we are trying to give free kicks and penalties away, but I think it is just bad defending and inexperience! Bets on for over 100 goals conceded. Anyone spotted any of our back 4 in the bookies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I didn't think it was a freekick but you can't complain about the penalty. There was a normal amount of pushing around and Fonte thought he was playing basketball and needed to get to the rebound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 100% handball, then just to make sure he tried to pull the hair of one player, and mug another. Looks like we are trying to give free kicks and penalties away, but I think it is just bad defending and inexperience! Bets on for over 100 goals conceded. Anyone spotted any of our back 4 in the bookies? Inexperience?! What do you mean? A lot on here told us we don't need premier league experience!! It can't be down to that! As for ability have we forgotten Carroll is a carthorse and Allerdyce doesn't have a clue?!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 You tend to need experience at the back in the premier league more than anything. Also a ball winning central midfielder. Last season saw newly promoted premier league teams get away with it somehow, but not this season, or seasons before. Need to loan in at least one centre back and a midfielder that can get stuck in, we look so lightweight. Either this or they need to learn very very quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Oh No Dr Who. Many on here were adamant we didn't need premier league experience and we would comfortably finished midtable in this average division with what we had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Oh No Dr Who. Many on here were adamant we didn't need premier league experience and we would comfortably finished midtable in this average division with what we had. I have to say at the start of the season, I thought we were no worse than a newly promoted Norwich side, who did so well. Very similar team on paper. I did still want to see at least 1 centre back to replace Fonte, and a ball winning midfielder, and both with experience. I think many fans have been blinded by how well, Norwich and Swansea did last season, and I thought we would be ok if we did not make experienced signings, but mid table to 12/13 with the signings. We are terrible away, and need to take the points that are on offer in November! At the end of November we will have a clearer picture of where we stand. I do not understand why we are not loaning anyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I've looked at the so-called free kick several times and it shouldn't have been given. Hoiveld challenged Carroll fairly for the ball, but for a big lump, Carroll goes down easily. As the OP says, it wasn't questioned by the pundits for some reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 It was a penalty but they did gloss over Carroll going down so cheaply the other 19 times in the game. Was a perfect opportunity for Arry to get in and claim how he could sort that mess out... (or get Carroll sent off for diving, that would almost be worth seeing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I've looked at the so-called free kick several times and it shouldn't have been given. Hoiveld challenged Carroll fairly for the ball, but for a big lump, Carroll goes down easily. As the OP says, it wasn't questioned by the pundits for some reason Damn that free kick. We'd have won if it weren't for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Oh No Dr Who. Many on here were adamant we didn't need premier league experience and we would comfortably finished midtable in this average division with what we had. I remember you and I getting slated by the intelligencia on here suggesting that experience counted for nothing. "Why is experience important?" they shouted. "Team spirit will see us through; you're so negative". It was so f*cking obvious. SO obvious. Yet here we are, averaging 4 goals against in our away games and 3 goals against in all games. Wow, never saw that coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I thought I saw a push initially as well, but the close up showed that it was just a standard coming together. I think Fonte saw red for a moment and just lashed his arm out in frustration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 I remember you and I getting slated by the intelligencia on here suggesting that experience counted for nothing. "Why is experience important?" they shouted. "Team spirit will see us through; you're so negative". It was so f*cking obvious. SO obvious. Yet here we are, averaging 4 goals against in our away games and 3 goals against in all games. Wow, never saw that coming. Yep, remember it well. So the things we have called correctly so far this season the have come true are as follows We dont need to expand the stadium this season Our defence is no where near good enough Adkins isn't fully in control of matters on the pitch Adkins didn't get what he wanted in the transfer window Clyne is signing We are in for a big struggle to stay up and talk of the champions league is embarassing. Have I missed anything? Yet still we are looked down on as negative posters by the self titled intelligent posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Yep, remember it well. So the things we have called correctly so far this season the have come true are as follows We dont need to expand the stadium this season Our defence is no where near good enough Adkins isn't fully in control of matters on the pitch Adkins didn't get what he wanted in the transfer window Clyne is signing We are in for a big struggle to stay up and talk of the champions league is embarassing. Have I missed anything? Yet still we are looked down on as negative posters by the self titled intelligent posters. Yep. I hate being correct about all of what's going on; it's awful watching such obvious deficiencies, and where they come from. I take no pleasure whatsoever in seeing the absolute shambles that we predicted was completely likely. But f*ck it; we're a massive club; our fanbase is probably bigger than Everton's; and Champions League here we come. The poisoned dwarf knows what he's doing; he's an incredible businessman. B*llocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 I do not understand why we are not loaning anyone! For the millionth time on here, prem clubs cannot loan players outside of the transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 For the millionth time on here, prem clubs cannot loan players outside of the transfer window. Don't come on here spouting rules and truth, there are plenty of others that know better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Don't be so hard on yourselves Krak and Turks, it really isn't your fault that we're doing so badly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Scoring those two goals v. Fulham seemed to have put Fonte back on the path to rehab, but yesterday's pefromance was "back to normal " for him. I don't underestimate the job he's done since dropping down to L1 and help guiding us up through two leagues, but he is nowhere near the same player since coming back from his injury absence a year ago. Slow, ineffective and although he and Jos were undoubtedly told to " do a job " on Andy Carroll, any success in that area was counteracted by the clumsy tackles that led to our undoing. Can't do anything ...about anything... until January.....so we have to grin and bear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 You tend to need experience at the back in the premier league more than anything. Also a ball winning central midfielder. Last season saw newly promoted premier league teams get away with it somehow, but not this season, or seasons before. Need to loan in at least one centre back and a midfielder that can get stuck in, we look so lightweight. Either this or they need to learn very very quickly. In fairness a lot of the mistakes our defenders are making shouldn't require PL experince to cut out...handballs,stupid tackles in the box, dwelling on the ball in the wrong places, backing off players and own goals are things any defender at any level should be avoiding. It's not like all the goals we are concending are becuase our defenders are being done by skillful PL players they can't deal with a lot of them are coming from a lack of concentration and silly mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Damn that free kick. We'd have won if it weren't for that. I wouldn't go as far as to jump to that conclusion. And it should have been defended better. Equally no West Ham player attacked it better than we defended it and the goalkeeper should have done better. But when it was the first goal, it is impossible to predict what would have followed had they not have scored from it. As a matter of interest, do you disagree that it should not have been a free kick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Fonte threw his arm up in the air, why do that? He saw red for a second and that's unforgivable really. That's what's happening, it's avoidable goals, avoidable errors. I don't see Fonte being beaten by a lack of pace, I see him being beaten by making a wrong judgement call. Same with Jos and Yoshida to a degree, they're making the wrong decisions at key times. The entire team seems to be in panic mode as soon as we concede a goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Fonte threw his arm up in the air, why do that? He saw red for a second and that's unforgivable really. That's what's happening, it's avoidable goals, avoidable errors. I don't see Fonte being beaten by a lack of pace, I see him being beaten by making a wrong judgement call. Same with Jos and Yoshida to a degree, they're making the wrong decisions at key times. The entire team seems to be in panic mode as soon as we concede a goal. Avoidable this, avoidable that. As if we're on the cusp of ironing these things out -or it's readily doable. Pull your head out of your *** mate or at least your rose-tinted glasses. Just like your gushing assessment of our squad after the transfer window or your hunch that Jrod was going to be a huge hit in the prem, can't fault your optimism but it simply doesn't not chime with reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 I wouldn't go as far as to jump to that conclusion. And it should have been defended better. Equally no West Ham player attacked it better than we defended it and the goalkeeper should have done better. But when it was the first goal, it is impossible to predict what would have followed had they not have scored from it. As a matter of interest, do you disagree that it should not have been a free kick? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Can we name this thread "the clutching at straws thread" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Avoidable this, avoidable that. As if we're on the cusp of ironing these things out -or it's readily doable. Pull your head out of your *** mate or at least your rose-tinted glasses. Just like your gushing assessment of our squad after the transfer window or your hunch that Jrod was going to be a huge hit in the prem, can't fault your optimism but it simply doesn't not chime with reality. I still believe Jay Rodriguez will become a good PL striker. Not sure why that opinion is stuck in the bin after the couple of starts he's had. Alot of it is avoidable though. It's not like we're being beaten by worldy's, bursts of pace, bits of skill. We're being beaten by our own avoidable errors, i.e sticking your arm up in the air, misjudging the bounce of the ball, allowing the opposition to have a free header in the PL box. I don't care what level you play at, those sort of things are avoidable and what we're doing this year, would also be punished in the NPC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Now, now smug children.....of course you don't take pleasure in coming on a forum and verbally bum ming each other - how would you think anyone could think that? Toys back in to your prams, CVs posted off to the Chairman (of course you address to Mr Poison Dwarf...that works) we got beaten - we'll beat other teams...if we do it enough we'll stay up! Grow a pair...ideally each but one each would be an improvement ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 I remember you and I getting slated by the intelligencia on here suggesting that experience counted for nothing. "Why is experience important?" they shouted. "Team spirit will see us through; you're so negative". It was so f*cking obvious. SO obvious. Yet here we are, averaging 4 goals against in our away games and 3 goals against in all games. Wow, never saw that coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 I still believe Jay Rodriguez will become a good PL striker. Not sure why that opinion is stuck in the bin after the couple of starts he's had. Alot of it is avoidable though. It's not like we're being beaten by worldy's, bursts of pace, bits of skill. We're being beaten by our own avoidable errors, i.e sticking your arm up in the air, misjudging the bounce of the ball, allowing the opposition to have a free header in the PL box. I don't care what level you play at, those sort of things are avoidable and what we're doing this year, would also be punished in the NPC. Don't disagree with a lot of this. West Ham was different- they were poor and the mistakes came out of the blue; however other lapses -which seen in isolation could have been avoided- came out of long spells of soaking up pressure and conceding too much space. In those cases, the goals felt almost inevitable even if our ultimate undoing was a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 The sky report said the penalty was given for Fonte tugging his ponytail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 In fairness a lot of the mistakes our defenders are making shouldn't require PL experince to cut out...handballs,stupid tackles in the box, dwelling on the ball in the wrong places, backing off players and own goals are things any defender at any level should be avoiding. It's not like all the goals we are concending are becuase our defenders are being done by skillful PL players they can't deal with a lot of them are coming from a lack of concentration and silly mistakes. All the above is lack of experience in the premier league. Not knowing the pace, and being caught short. Panicking when caught out of position, because of the movement off of the ball by premier league forwards. Mis-timed challenges due to the pace and the quickness of the premier league player. Just a few of how lack of experience in the premier league has caught us out at the back. IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Clearly no one saw Winston Reid push him down as soon as he's trying to attack the ball, putting him off and leading to him lose his balance (hence the frantic arm movement). But there you go... If it were John Terry or Anton Ferdinand then it would've been an insult from the stands, from a player of a different nationality or Reid himself would be facing a media trial.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 More to the point, why did they keep pronouncing Boruc's name as plural. It sounded a lot like ********. Or is that how it's supposed to be said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Shearer doesn't seem to have much love of us. For a past player who set him on the road you,d expect a little more. He is dour though and so he might have been in a fit of laughter and you wouldn't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Shearer doesn't seem to have much love of us. For a past player who set him on the road you,d expect a little more. He is dour though and so he might have been in a fit of laughter and you wouldn't know He seemed to make an honest assessment. Were you expecting him to lie about how good we are just because he is an ex-player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangermouth Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Was a clear push. Saw it first time I saw the game highlights. It seemed Carroll was told to fall over every time he was challenged, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Was a clear push. Saw it first time I saw the game highlights. It seemed Carroll was told to fall over every time he was challenged, as well. After West Ham had gone two up and Lallana had scored, there was some pretty cynical play from West Ham. Radio Solent commented after one such incident that a West Ham player "had done a job" on our player. I have a strong feeling that managers like fat Sam actually coach their teams to gain an advantage by cynical and unfair practices, gamesmanship in the form of trying to get rival players sent off, or diving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 - Nolan threw an arm at Yoshida in the first half, which luckily didn't connect but ref didn't spot it and Maya carried on with the game. - Carroll was tugging shirts and holding onto his marker just as much as we did to him, but none of our players fell over (40 f*cking times). - Collins was climbing all over Lambert when he came on - Reid was shoving everyone at set-pieces, whether defending or attacking them. - The ref was lapping it up with a gobsh!te like Nolan in his ear all the time. What Fat Sam does is coach his players to bend the rules. How they didn't get a card while we got 2 is unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 After West Ham had gone two up and Lallana had scored, there was some pretty cynical play from West Ham. Radio Solent commented after one such incident that a West Ham player "had done a job" on our player. I have a strong feeling that managers like fat Sam actually coach their teams to gain an advantage by cynical and unfair practices, gamesmanship in the form of trying to get rival players sent off, or diving. I was at game and saw nothing untoward. People need to stop clutching at straws. We have no belief now and whjilst we dominated at times are juts too much of a soft touch and cant go blaming the big nasty men for doing what all professional teams do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 I was at game and saw nothing untoward. People need to stop clutching at straws. We have no belief now and whjilst we dominated at times are juts too much of a soft touch and cant go blaming the big nasty men for doing what all professional teams do. Yes, you were at the game and therefore didn't have the advantage of slow motion or freeze-frame afforded by the telly. And I don't believe that we are often guilty of that cynical gamesmanship that West Ham employ as a tactic. Perhaps we ought to bring it into our game too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
There when Franny scored Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Just seen it again in slow motion from a different angle. Huge and blatant push by Winston Reid on Fonte. It was clear that Fat Sam had told Carroll to try to win free kicks around our box by going down even with minimal contact. As the stats show, we are weak at defending set pieces and they are very effective from them. Perhaps we should have allowed Carroll to win the headers and concentrated on the second ball? Easy to say with hindsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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