modern matron Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Experience of Kelvin, youth of Gazza or Artur? How did he play today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Perhaps we should try all three at once? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 (edited) How about all three at the same time ......... In fairness all of them have been letting in goals so prehaps we need a better defence instead of chopping and changing keepers Whispering Dave on Solent wasn't to impressed with Artur today. Edited 20 October, 2012 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjk Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 We should go all out to get Butland in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I was more surprised that he left out Gazzaniga than that he left out Rickie. That, to me, brought unnecessary change at the back when I thought it was just starting to work better as a unit. It seemed like a "We've signed him, now we've got to play him" concept - rather like the Rodriguez situation. At least with Rodriguez I could understand it being related to the goal of greater mobility, but this one for me was a headshaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 20 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Perhaps Kelvin could stand behind their goal and put of their keeper lol!!! God it's the silly season now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Boruc, you can see he is not fully sharp yet but he is only gunna get better by playing and i dont mean in the u21's if he can get to the standard he used to be then he will be by far our best keeper but at the minute they are all on par imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Gazza has been doing alright, but who is my first choice for this season with those we got now?? Boruc of course, that´s a no-brainer. Yes he is not fully match fit but he will never be that if you dont give him games. Playing U21-games will not get him what he needs and therefore you have to give him 3-4 more games to fully see his capability. So for me, the choice to play hoom today wasn´t that surprising if you look at a bigger picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I think having played behind the back 4 today, Boruc will understand exactly how he needs to start bossing them - and let's face it, you wouldn't argue with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Boruc was poor today, Kelvin has been poor all season and Gazza has been pretty good. No idea how Gazza can look bad so far no howlers, no stupid errors, just lots of solid goal keeping. A Joke if he's not back in between the sticks for the rest of the season as we don't need the others making a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I don't understand the logic of replacing Gazza with Boruc and not at least keeping him on the bench. Are we sure he was not injured? I think Boruc would be my first choice but just seems odd after Gazza has played well since he replaced KD. Unless NC insists on KD being in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Don't understand why Gazza was dropped in favour of Boruc. However, it does illustrate one of two possibilities, 1) We have three inept keepers 2) We have inept defence. Personally, for me it's the second one. Maybe, just maybe KD isn't quite as bad as made out by some. It matters very little how good the keeper is, if the defence is sh!te, you will leak goals. Unfortunately it's always the keeper that kops the flak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I voted Gazza because I can't see that he did much wrong to get dropped in the first place. I didn't really see a problem with Boruc for any of those goals. First goal - The free kick just floated over everyone and nobody got a touch on it. Boruc went to his left expecting matey to get a touch and he didn't, it just went straight in. Poor defending, there should be a good strong head on that long before it got to the 'keeper. Second goal - Looked like Guly played Yoshi an absolute hospital pass and their man at the far post was badly marked. Can't remember it too well but looked like Fonte should have done better. Penalty - Fonte's fault, but the free kick leading up to it looked dubious to me. Fourth goal - Defence just kept backing of and Fonte let him turn inside and shoot instead of seeing him down the wing. Great finish, nothing Boruc could really have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Don't understand why Gazza was dropped in favour of Boruc. However, it does illustrate one of two possibilities, 1) We have three inept keepers 2) We have inept defence. Personally, for me it's the second one. Maybe, just maybe KD isn't quite as bad as made out by some. It matters very little how good the keeper is, if the defence is sh!te, you will leak goals. Unfortunately it's always the keeper that kops the flak. this^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 It doesn't matter who we have in goal as the worse defence in the league will still ensure we concede at least 3 goals every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denzil Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 All 3 of them aren't good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Gazza worked straight out of the box, now there is a big herd of sheep on here who the moment he walked through the door these nitwits declared that Boruc should be straight into the first team "cos Gazza is young what does he know". If Boruc was such a superstar keeper he would not have been a free agent! Kelvin seems to have the demons of Sunderland lurking. Of the 3 of them and looking at the results of the games he has been in (and this is a results based business) Gazza has only had 1, 3, & 2 goals put past him. Today reports said Boruc looked rusty!! Like I started Gazza worked straight out of the box, stick him back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Stimp Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Personally, for me it's the second one. Maybe, just maybe KD isn't quite as bad as made out by some. It matters very little how good the keeper is, if the defence is sh!te, you will leak goals. Unfortunately it's always the keeper that kops the flak. Cannot disagree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Gazza didn't deserve to be dropped. Boruc should have been on the bench for now but somehow Davis remains in the team. Don't want to upset Davis? Hard to say but maybe Adkins struggles to make the hard decisions. Wants to remain friendly with everyone.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Adkins obviously thought that Gazza was the reason the defense have been so bad. Yet another Adkins failure to see where the real problem lies. After Boruc's display at the start of the second half I don't believe throwing on Kelvin could have been any worse. In fact he may have kept the score down to 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Gazza didn't deserve to be dropped. Boruc should have been on the bench for now but somehow Davis remains in the team. Don't want to upset Davis? Hard to say but maybe Adkins struggles to make the hard decisions. Wants to remain friendly with everyone.. Kelvin is rumoured to be a good influence on the team and is (I believe) still club captain maybe his prenscence in the team is helpful on matchdays. As others have said who is in goal is almost irrelevant given our defence no reason not include Kelvin anymore than the other two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Really what is the point of these polls.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese on Toast Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Really what is the point of these polls.... Probably to get people's opinions or something. Stupid really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 I honestly don't understand Boruc playing yesterday. First question, what did Gazza do wrong? Thought he'd looked an excellent purchase personally. Second question, why the hell is Kelvin not chosen, given that Jos and Fonte played so much with him last season? This coupled with the RL situation made me go from a 'might squeeze a point' attitude to 'lets not get battered' attitude. Sad face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambol2K9 Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 I was more surprised that he left out Gazzaniga than that he left out Rickie. That, to me, brought unnecessary change at the back when I thought it was just starting to work better as a unit. It seemed like a "We've signed him, now we've got to play him" concept - rather like the Rodriguez situation. At least with Rodriguez I could understand it being related to the goal of greater mobility, but this one for me was a headshaker. Totally agree, it was baffling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Anyone but Boruc. Was s**t from first touch to last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 I voted Gazza because I can't see that he did much wrong to get dropped in the first place. I didn't really see a problem with Boruc for any of those goals. First goal - The free kick just floated over everyone and nobody got a touch on it. Boruc went to his left expecting matey to get a touch and he didn't, it just went straight in. Poor defending, there should be a good strong head on that long before it got to the 'keeper. Second goal - Looked like Guly played Yoshi an absolute hospital pass and their man at the far post was badly marked. Can't remember it too well but looked like Fonte should have done better. Penalty - Fonte's fault, but the free kick leading up to it looked dubious to me. Fourth goal - Defence just kept backing of and Fonte let him turn inside and shoot instead of seeing him down the wing. Great finish, nothing Boruc could really have done. It was Hooiveld who instead of being all over the guy that crosses to the far post was marking that big threat called the 6-yard box line, allowing him all the way from the side to literally Boruc's face after Yoshida got stitched by Guly's nonsensical pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 We should go all out to get Butland in January. yeah of course....he's a real success at Brum so far .......and when they get relegated, he'll be going for a song ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 I honestly don't understand Boruc playing yesterday. First question, what did Gazza do wrong? Thought he'd looked an excellent purchase personally. Second question, why the hell is Kelvin not chosen, given that Jos and Fonte played so much with him last season? This coupled with the RL situation made me go from a 'might squeeze a point' attitude to 'lets not get battered' attitude. Sad face. Being one of the " other two teams " who came up(from the Championship) it would seem logical to debut him against Wham... rather than say Chelsea or Man U. Like others on here, Boruc must have felt blitzed by the lack of support from the defenders in front of him. He is a quality keeper, but even the best can get beaten at times. I'm not comparing the two, but I can recall when we signed Peter Shilton .....surely we remember him...? In his first 7 games, we conceded 18 goals (and scored just 3 ). Fortunately - at that time - there was no transfer window, and Lawrie Mac bought in England captain LB Mick Mills to strengthen the back line ...sadly NA won't have that sort of option until January - if he's still here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydenhamssocks Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Being one of the " other two teams " who came up(from the Championship) it would seem logical to debut him against Wham... rather than say Chelsea or Man U. Like others on here, Boruc must have felt blitzed by the lack of support from the defenders in front of him. He is a quality keeper, but even the best can get beaten at times. I'm not comparing the two, but I can recall when we signed Peter Shilton .....surely we remember him...? In his first 7 games, we conceded 18 goals (and scored just 3 ). Fortunately - at that time - there was no transfer window, and Lawrie Mac bought in England captain LB Mick Mills to strengthen the back line ...sadly NA won't have that sort of option until January - if he's still here. Agree totally. Boruc will know what he is up against now, a back four low on confidence and few other attributes required in the prem ! Boruc will be fine. needs games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenger Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 I cannot believe the lack of loyalty shown by the majority of the posters on here to the man that stood by the club when the dropped down to league 1. Kelvin Davis should be the number 1 choice keeper and for the club and fans to behave in the way that they have is so disappointing, Having been selected as the Championship and League one Keeper over the last two years it should be obvious that he is the man for the job. Look at the facts from the start of the season. We faced the top three teams at the end of last season in the first 4 games and the other team were a form team, everyone agreed that we needed to strengthen the defense especially the center halves but this did not happen (other than Cline who looks a great signing) straight away. Kelvin was up against some of the best strikers in the world with what has turned out to be the worst defense in the Premiership (no surprises there though as the signings were lacking unless you count an unknown to most Japanese defender!) and even saved two penalties as well!! A heavy defeat against Arsenal, where he had no chance with many of the goals conceded (two of them being own goals from his defenders) due to the poor quality defending against a performance reckoned to be one of the best in years by Arsenal fans, Kelvin is dropped for a game where we had a good chance of doing well against another struggling team in Aston Villa. It was no surprise to me that we one this as their main striker had failed to find the net in a Premiership game since February (although he managed it against us!!). However, Gazzaniga took the plaudits for his performance which was average at best. He then conceded goals mainly down to his positioning in the following games he was selected for and then dropped for the fans Saviour Mr Boruc who showed what he is capable of on Saturday!! It was only earlier this year when we played at Leeds that Kelvin provided the promotion winning performance of the season ( I truly believe if we had lost that game then we would still be in the Championship and I was there to witness it!) and here we are 8 games in and Kelvin being treated like this by the club and the posters on here, wake up people the goals being conceded are as a result of the poor defending and not always the goal keeper. Get Kelvin back NOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Ah, ok I read the title and thought it was a general question. Against Spurs? Gazza. he has proven himself enough until Boruc can get his fitness back. I was surprised at what a lump he was at WHam! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroader07 Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Davis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese on Toast Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Boruc looked about 17 stone against west ham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Boruc looked about 17 stone against west ham The way we've been defending we need someone with the stature of Wayne Shaw in goal not a skinny 17 stone fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 I cannot believe the lack of loyalty shown by the majority of the posters on here to the man that stood by the club when the dropped down to league 1. Kelvin Davis should be the number 1 choice keeper and for the club and fans to behave in the way that they have is so disappointing, Having been selected as the Championship and League one Keeper over the last two years it should be obvious that he is the man for the job. Look at the facts from the start of the season. We faced the top three teams at the end of last season in the first 4 games and the other team were a form team, everyone agreed that we needed to strengthen the defense especially the center halves but this did not happen (other than Cline who looks a great signing) straight away. Kelvin was up against some of the best strikers in the world with what has turned out to be the worst defense in the Premiership (no surprises there though as the signings were lacking unless you count an unknown to most Japanese defender!) and even saved two penalties as well!! A heavy defeat against Arsenal, where he had no chance with many of the goals conceded (two of them being own goals from his defenders) due to the poor quality defending against a performance reckoned to be one of the best in years by Arsenal fans, Kelvin is dropped for a game where we had a good chance of doing well against another struggling team in Aston Villa. It was no surprise to me that we one this as their main striker had failed to find the net in a Premiership game since February (although he managed it against us!!). However, Gazzaniga took the plaudits for his performance which was average at best. He then conceded goals mainly down to his positioning in the following games he was selected for and then dropped for the fans Saviour Mr Boruc who showed what he is capable of on Saturday!! It was only earlier this year when we played at Leeds that Kelvin provided the promotion winning performance of the season ( I truly believe if we had lost that game then we would still be in the Championship and I was there to witness it!) and here we are 8 games in and Kelvin being treated like this by the club and the posters on here, wake up people the goals being conceded are as a result of the poor defending and not always the goal keeper. Get Kelvin back NOW! I don't think anyone is showing any lack of loyalty towards him. Most fans appreciate him and all he's done for us, he's been a terrific servant and has won matches for us throughout his time. This season though, like a few of our other players, he's out of his depth. Some of the goals he was letting in were poor and his distribution was horrific, so I think it was time for a change. Annoyingly we haven't exactly stopped shipping the goals, and he may have been made a bit of a scapegoat for the 6-1 game, but on the whole he has looked out of his depth this year and was rightly replaced. I'd go with Gazzaniga and it frustrates me that he wasn't selected on Saturday, he's done nothing wrong and when you have a sloppy defence as we do the last thing you want to do is chop and change it, so get Gazza back and keep him there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Gazza's kicking is the best and he's made no mistakes. He's tall and athletic. Got to be him for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsaints106 Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 Boruc, Davis or Gazzaniga - Who should be our number one stopper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?40696-Who-should-be-in-goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsaints106 Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 Sorry missed that, mods please close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 Boruc, he just needs matches to improve. He's also got a strong personality which I think will influence the defenders, he might scare them into playing better. Asking a 20 year old who has only really played lower league football to marshall a terrible defence I think is asking too much. I also think quality wise Borux is best, he was one of the best keepers in Serie A last year and he will earn us some points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 Gazza for now,Boruc will be 1st choice ,but not match fit as yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 25 October, 2012 Share Posted 25 October, 2012 Where is the option for Adkins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 Put Kelvin back in. He's had his punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 Easily Boruc when fit. One of Serie A's top goalies last year and has Champions League experience. Gazza has immense potential but you have to play your best players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 Boruc, he's a proven quality keeper who will make a difference given enough match fitness. Surprised it's taken this long to play him TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 Surprised it's taken this long to play him TBH. He really isn't match fit yet, he looked tired, fat and sloppy in goal last weekend. Worried we are rushing him into goal without fitness more than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 I think it will be Kelvin, Gazza has been dropped as he is not ready. Poor game (should have saved 2) vs everton etc. Boruc could have been better vs Spam (In his defense he has not played in a while before this and LB was awful.) That leaves Kelvin, promoted back to the bench with both keepers in front of him having a bad games last couple of times out. I think we will see KD this week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 Celtic's thoughts on our Art... http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/4610172/At-last-Hoops-have-a-keeper-whos-the-real-deal-unlike-bungling-Boruc.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroader07 Posted 26 October, 2012 Share Posted 26 October, 2012 Play all three with eight outfield players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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