Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Actually, now would be a good time to go, Nigel. There's plenty of vacant positions in the championship and in all fairness you'd do a good job at that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 **** off Adkins. Blah, blah, blah. You've proved that you're a tactical nonse. You have to defend as well as attack yet you don't seem to realise that. We are paying the price heavily for Spunking the transfer kitty on a championship standard striker and an unproven midfielder who looks to be worth a fraction of the £12m wasted on him. your failure to bring in quality at the back has cost us big time. We are becoming a laughing stock. Now **** off so that somebody who knows what they are doing can try and spare us any more embarrassment. Sid, you been on the Harveys Bristol Cream again? What a dramatic and over reaction post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 we played 442 at everton...and left vast open spaces for them to exploit at ease... No we didn't! That was 4-5-1 or 4-3-3......................must have been at a different game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 We're a complete **** up at the back. I'd be inclined to go to 5 at the back just to try and stop us leaking goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 We're a complete **** up at the back. I'd be inclined to go to 5 at the back just to try and stop us leaking goals. Don't think that would help. Maybe play 2 goalkeepers though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steadyeddie Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I would rather get relegated than appoint Harry. Absolutely agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 No we didn't! That was 4-5-1 or 4-3-3......................must have been at a different game. We played 4-4-2 against Fulham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Nice counter argument, Roger. I think this idea may be close to the truth. If it doesn't work then we will strengthen the squad at the appropriate time and try again. Yes ..... in the CCC Come January, NO Quality player will want to come to a team rooted at the bottom of the Prem ( But I expect Cortese thinks players will be queing up to come here ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Nice counter argument, Roger. I think this idea may be close to the truth. If it doesn't work then we will strengthen the squad at the appropriate time and try again. Yes ..... in the CCC Come January, NO Quality player will want to come to a team rooted at the bottom of the Prem ( But I expect Cortese thinks players will be queing up to come here ) You hated Lowe and you hate Cortese. Is it Mike Wilde you yearn for as Chairman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 We don't have the players to play 4-3-3 - it's as simple as that. Lambert is just not fast enough or mobile enough to lead the line playing that way. We also lack wide forwards/wingers with real pace to play that way. Not to mention the fact that out full backs just aren't up to playing that way either - both of them need protection from a midfielder in front of them. All this suggests there is some truth in the rumour we are being made to play that way from the very top down. Adkins did sound all but defeated in his post match interview. Something has to change - and it has to be the way we play - I can't see that simply changing the manager will make any difference. Whoever was ultimately responsible for signing players in the summer should also take a large chunk of the blame for not brining in the players needed to play 4-3-3 or more importantly strengthening he defence. I quite agree, but unfortunately :- Cortese will NOT change, so the "new" Manager will have to obey, or have the shortest Manadership ever Therefore, if Cortese is too ptoud to chage a sytem that is clearly not working, then there would be no point in getting a new Manager in Any fool can see that ...... apart from Cortese I think he has had someone on the radar for ages. I think Adkins has reached the end of the rope that Cortese allowed him Don't ever forget Cortese's ambitions for SFC............ Euro qualification this season for example ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martel Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Maybe we need to bring in a manager who isn't afraid to fight his corner if the rumours are true and NC is imposing his will upon the tactics and team selection. IF this rumour is true then NC will drop well down in my opinion of him, football like any business has a leader, NC being Saints CEO, but if we take another example Like Branson, he starts companies like airlines, rail, banks and communications, does he know how to run all these companies on a day to day basis, answer NO, he does the smart thing and puts in managers, who of course report to him but run them like it was their own. NC is a banker, and from all accounts a good business man and that is why I find it difficult to believe that he is interfering to the extent some would have us believe, however, if he is then perhaps he should take a long hard look at himself before making any manage decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 http://audioboo.fm/boos/1016927-nigel-adkins-speaking-to-solentsport-after-saints-4-1-defeat-at-west-ham Here's the link if anyone wants to listen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Personally I think whilst Gaston is out, 4-4-1-1 is the way. Gazza Clyne - Fonte - Yoshida - Foxx Punch - Morgan - Cork - Lallana Lambert J Rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I actually think he can do it tactically but doesn't poses the players for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Just heard his interview Despite all the claims on here...Adkins makes the very point that the selections the tactics and the subs are all his decisions... He made that clear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Just heard his interview Despite all the claims on here...Adkins makes the very point that the selections the tactics and the subs are all his decisions... He made that clear Yes, people playing with words. But, that is undoubtedly the saddest and most depressing NA interview I have heard. Not himself at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLY Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 A truly honourable man. Can be the most honourable man in the world. The man who tool us back to the PL but he has now lost the plot and I want him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Just heard his interview Despite all the claims on here...Adkins makes the very point that the selections the tactics and the subs are all his decisions... He made that clear But as manager he has to say that to retain any credibility at all. He can't really say "blame the CEO he picks the team and dictates the formation.." can he ? He might also add "..of course he's not a very nice human being, in case you have not heard". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Personally I think whilst Gaston is out, 4-4-1-1 is the way. Gazza Clyne - Fonte - Yoshida - Foxx Punch - Morgan - Cork - Lallana Lambert J Rod I think you will find that Boruc is in for the rest of the season I don't agree with it, but he certainly did not come to play at Staplewood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 But as manager he has to say that to retain any credibility at all. He can't really say "blame the CEO he picks the team and dictates the formation.." can he ? He might also add "..of course he's not a very nice human being, in case you have not heard". He did not have to make the point, twice though. Nigel is very savvy when talking to the media and could have easily waffled or gave some Adkins sort of answer...he never, he was being brutally honest, you could hear it in his voice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 He did not have to make the point, twice though. Nigel is very savvy when talking to the media and could have easily waffled or gave some Adkins sort of answer...he never, he was being brutally honest, you could hear it in his voice Yes, but I'm sure Bryan Robson always claimed to be making the decisions on team selection and tactics when he was "assisted" by Venables at M/Boro many years ago, when we all knew El Spiv was in charge and Bryan the teaboy. As long as NA is the manager or first team coach, whatever the title, he will publicly claim to have ALL the responsibilities of that post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I think you want to believe something that may not be there. That interview was as honest and depressed as I have ever heard from Nigel No waffle... He was frank and honest and I believe him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 It was depressed, yes, but I don't think it can be relied upon to dispel some of the rumours circulating. As I say above, can you foresee NA publicly saying anything differently ? In many ways, hope you are right. If NA sees 4-3-3 is not working, it is in his powers to remedy it.And soon hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carljack Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Can be the most honourable man in the world. The man who tool us back to the PL but he has now lost the plot and I want him out. Who for ? be careful what you wish for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I think you want to believe something that may not be there. That interview was as honest and depressed as I have ever heard from Nigel No waffle... He was frank and honest and I believe him I agree and Nigel seems to be aware of the problems.roll on next Saturday. Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLY Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Just heard his interview Despite all the claims on here...Adkins makes the very point that the selections the tactics and the subs are all his decisions... He made that clear Yeah and now he needs to pay the penalty ............... he picks the team ........ leaves out SRL for ******* Guly ..................... he is out of his depth and has lost the plot. Thanks so much for getting us promoted but please leave now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 He did not have to make the point, twice though. Nigel is very savvy when talking to the media and could have easily waffled or gave some Adkins sort of answer...he never, he was being brutally honest, you could hear it in his voice I thought the way he stressed the fact that "he picks the team from the 25 available" was hinting to some-one else is in charge of transfers. Also the "we will be playing 4-3-3" at the end was weird. Adkins has always previously said we can play different formations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLY Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I agree and Nigel seems to be aware of the problems.roll on next Saturday. Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk 2 Sunday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Genuine comments or made up? http://www.clubcall.com/southampton/adkins-reveals-job-worry-1487471.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I'm down we lost . I want the team to do well . I'm not sprised but the comments in here and many are predictable . I listened the NA interview yes he is ****ed of we lost he's a passionate man but he is also remaking positive . We have injuries and we are not a settled side especially with all these international breaks . Someone needs to work on the defence . I think we will be okay . But if there was a change then definatley not redkrapp he's old school and has no time for saints . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Genuine comments or made up? http://www.clubcall.com/southampton/adkins-reveals-job-worry-1487471.html Genuine, stolen from Simon Peach's article though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I'll let you draw your own conclusion. I said this weeks ago and was mocked and shouted down. 'we will play 4-3-3' I think that says enough, don't you? You may or may not be correct. I am just completely ****ed off with "know-alls" like you who post your opinions as fact. You know as much as anybody else, which is the sum total of "**** all!" The only people that know the truth are NA and NC. By all means post an opinion, but please do not pretend that you have inside information that makes you special. I am no great fan of NC from the point of view of public relations but I have even less time for the knobs on here who pretend to have an inside track and give it the "Billy Big ********" approach of "I know something that you don`t" to make them seem "special". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Sid, you been on the Harveys Bristol Cream again? What a dramatic and over reaction post. Really, why? Are you blind? Can you not see that he's clueless at this level? Bad signings. Terrible tactics. Give me one good reason why he shouldn't be replaced by somebody who's actually got a clue about how to keep this club in the Premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintroyt Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 amazed so many fans now what NC is decideing who we buy what formation we will play, are they directors/investors in the club?. I doubt it, whilst personally respect NA and appreciate his achievements he may now be over promoted,it happens in any business and this may be the case he is currently not up to the task.But if that is the case should be thanked for what was achieved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Isn't all the "fact" in this thread redundant because we play 4-2-3-1??? We play Steven Davis and Schniderlin just infront of the back for to defend and break forward with a no.10 (Lambert, Lallana or Gaston) to drop back a bit/run forward to play in 2 wingers and a deep sitting forward..... 4-3-3 is not what's going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Isn't all the "fact" in this thread redundant because we play 4-2-3-1??? We play Steven Davis and Schniderlin just infront of the back for to defend and break forward with a no.10 (Lambert, Lallana or Gaston) to drop back a bit/run forward to play in 2 wingers and a deep sitting forward..... 4-3-3 is not what's going on. "We play 4-3-3" - Nigel Adkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 What concerns me is the hardening of Adkins attitude. He appears to have become inflexible as the “we play 4-3-3” comment illustrates. Unlike some, I don’t purport to be a football expert & to be honest the intricacies of differing systems is sometimes beyond me. However, even a thicky like me can see than if it aint working, something needs to change. I worried that his intransigence, will see him out of a job. Evolve or die. Having said that is it 433 that’s doing for us, or is it a case that the defence isn’t up to the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 You may or may not be correct. I am just completely ****ed off with "know-alls" like you who post your opinions as fact. You know as much as anybody else, which is the sum total of "**** all!" The only people that know the truth are NA and NC. By all means post an opinion, but please do not pretend that you have inside information that makes you special. I am no great fan of NC from the point of view of public relations but I have even less time for the knobs on here who pretend to have an inside track and give it the "Billy Big ********" approach of "I know something that you don`t" to make them seem "special". +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 If you may recall NC,s interview with Solent in the early days of ML tenure he said then that the club would not be left torn apart if a manager left. The club would have a structure that the manager was part of a system that was not reliant on one man. Pardew was the manager at the time. It is per pertly sound planing that if a manager goes to a different club and takes backwoods staff the club carries on in the same vein witha different head coach.how many times have we seen the club build and then the guts been taken out as a manager leaves. It has been painful, and if this way stops this then we have to build that structure. It is amazing progress at SMS in just 3 years, the foundations are being laid for decades not a one season fix. Therefore the transfers will be done by committee not by one man.it seems sensible, especially if you have a similar mindset all pulling in the same direction. I suspect Jonathan Forte was a player NA pushed for, who pushed for Gaston in the committee It is hard to say, but the days of HR picking the players and dealing with agents etc is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 If you may recall NC,s interview with Solent in the early days of ML tenure he said then that the club would not be left torn apart if a manager left. The club would have a structure that the manager was part of a system that was not reliant on one man. Pardew was the manager at the time. It is per pertly sound planing that if a manager goes to a different club and takes backwoods staff the club carries on in the same vein witha different head coach.how many times have we seen the club build and then the guts been taken out as a manager leaves. It has been painful, and if this way stops this then we have to build that structure. It is amazing progress at SMS in just 3 years, the foundations are being laid for decades not a one season fix. Therefore the transfers will be done by committee not by one man.it seems sensible, especially if you have a similar mindset all pulling in the same direction. I suspect Jonathan Forte was a player NA pushed for, who pushed for Gaston in the committee It is hard to say, but the days of HR picking the players and dealing with agents etc is gone. I think the manager still has to have the final say for that to work. He's the one in the spotlight, it's his reputation on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I think the manager still has to have the final say for that to work. He's the one in the spotlight, it's his reputation on the line. A cliche I know, but look at Fergie at Man Utd. He regularly makes it clear that nobody at that club is, can be, or should be more important than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 amazed so many fans now what NC is decideing who we buy what formation we will play, are they directors/investors in the club?. I doubt it, whilst personally respect NA and appreciate his achievements he may now be over promoted,it happens in any business and this may be the case he is currently not up to the task.But if that is the case should be thanked for what was achieved Far too reasonable an approach for many of the posters on here, sadly. As for miserableoldgit's post, it is possible that Turkish has a link to inside info. Who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 "We play 4-3-3" - Nigel Adkins. Wow even Adkins is playing the media game too hard, or worryingly he isn't watching the same games as everyone else. We did 4-3-3 against City, been doing the 4-2-3-1 pretty much every other game. I am sticking with he is confusing the media in some long running joke that will make everyone else look silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Wow even Adkins is playing the media game too hard, or worryingly he isn't watching the same games as everyone else. We did 4-3-3 against City, been doing the 4-2-3-1 pretty much every other game. I am sticking with he is confusing the media in some long running joke that will make everyone else look silly Or you are watching a different game to the rest of planet earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Wow even Adkins is playing the media game too hard, or worryingly he isn't watching the same games as everyone else. We did 4-3-3 against City, been doing the 4-2-3-1 pretty much every other game. I am sticking with he is confusing the media in some long running joke that will make everyone else look silly Isn't that just a variation of 4-3-3, given 4-3-3 takes on many different forms during the game, depending on whether we are attacking or defending. We can be 4-3-3 one minute, then 4-5-1, then 4-2-3-1, then something else. It's all very fluid and peoples roles and therefore position change fluidly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 A cliche I know, but look at Fergie at Man Utd. He regularly makes it clear that nobody at that club is, can be, or should be more important than him.thats great if he lives for another 100years. Their problem will be replacing him. It will be complete upheaval and they could end up like Liverpool are now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Or you are watching a different game to the rest of planet earth I like to hope so Isn't that just a variation of 4-3-3, given 4-3-3 takes on many different forms during the game, depending on whether we are attacking or defending. We can be 4-3-3 one minute, then 4-5-1, then 4-2-3-1, then something else. It's all very fluid and peoples roles and therefore position change fluidly. Yeah I guess that's the best description of what's going on, I like to think we are saying 4-3-3 as a quick approximation but its something more structured in reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 The fact is that we have always been employing the 'yoyo' strategy. Of course it is to early for NA and NC to admit this and while we have a chance of staying up this is wise. However, when we are adrift at the bottom of the league, the plan will be revealed and this should raise morale at the club and with the supporters. We can rest easy that our lack of activity in the summer transfer market was indeed all part of a prudent businees plan to benefit from the Premier money. I cannot see why it was not obvious to more people, I had sussed it out back in May June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Listening to that interview, it sounds to me like he is absolutely fuming at some of his players. They are making fundamental mistakes that they've obviously worked hard on in training to eradicate. I feel for the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Isn't all the "fact" in this thread redundant because we play 4-2-3-1??? We play Steven Davis and Schniderlin just infront of the back for to defend and break forward with a no.10 (Lambert, Lallana or Gaston) to drop back a bit/run forward to play in 2 wingers and a deep sitting forward..... 4-3-3 is not what's going on. Exactly right. I do wonder why he says its 433 when its clearly not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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