Turkish Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 So there we have it then. In his last few answers, he picks the team makes the substitutions but we 'will play 4-3-3'. I think that as good as confirms what some have said for a while. He does not choose the formation. I await your apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 So there we have it then. In his last few answers, he picks the team makes the substitutions but we 'will play 4-3-3'. I think that as good as confirms what some have said for a while. He does not choose the formation. I await your apologies. Just read that Adam Blackmore blog again. It is so prophetic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I await your apologies. And I await your humility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 So there we have it then. In his last few answers, he picks the team makes the substitutions but we 'will play 4-3-3'. I think that as good as confirms what some have said for a while. He does not choose the formation. I await your apologies. Another fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 And I await your humility I said weeks ago the formation wasn't of Adkins choice. Thanks all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Another fact? Well if he is choosing it he's an idiot as its not working and we don't have the players to play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I said weeks ago the formation wasn't of Adkins choice. Thanks all the same. It's not just the formation that's not his choice..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 It's not just the formation that's not his choice..... Then why is he there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Then why is he there? Because NC hasn't got his coaching badges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I am amazed that Adkins is still manager...what is the point if he has no input he could walk away and tell everyone about it... I doubt he is hardly short of cash and I doubt (relatively) his stock would be much higher....he could walk into all top NPC jobs what I think is happening.....is that the club as a whole have decided to play a certain way from top to bottom..its not new, its not radical...a lot of clubs do that..but they are just far better than us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Then why is he there? As Reid said in his interview a few weeks back. To coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Well if he is choosing it he's an idiot as its not working and we don't have the players to play it. So not a fact. Just your opinion. 2+2=? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I am amazed that Adkins is still manager...what is the point if he has no input he could walk away and tell everyone about it... I doubt he is hardly short of cash and I doubt (relatively) his stock would be much higher....he could walk into all top NPC jobs what I think is happening.....is that the club as a whole have decided to play a certain way from top to bottom..its not new, its not radical...a lot of clubs do that..but they are just far better than us That is exactly what was said a while aback in an interview. They want every team from the Kids to the first team playing the same formation. Which is all well and good, but you have to have the players able to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I think I eluded to this a few weeks ago when I spoke to billy sharp (cant be bothered to dig out the thread) but it was obvious to me after speaking to him that Adkins was a bit of a puppet and will probably end up as the fall guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 That is exactly what was said a while aback in an interview. They want every team from the Kids to the first team playing the same formation. Which is all well and good, but you have to have the players able to do it. indeed.....but lets not make out it is radical or the starting line up is getting picked for him...this happens at many clubs with a good and proper academy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 So not a fact. Just your opinion. 2+2=? I'll let you draw your own conclusion. I said this weeks ago and was mocked and shouted down. 'we will play 4-3-3' I think that says enough, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 As Reid said in his interview a few weeks back. To coach. What is his job title, Head Coach, isn't it? He's therefore NOT the Manager in the traditional (i.e. Sir Alex, if you like) sense or Director of football. I don't know why this is a surprise to people? Of course everyone at the club is involved in what is the biggest expense, why shouldn't they be? There will be a team of people identifying and working on transfers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 indeed.....but lets not make out it is radical or the starting line up is getting picked for him...this happens at many clubs with a good and proper academy No it's not and it works for some clubs. But most of these clubs aren't playing their first season in the premier league with players not suited to the formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 There is a remit through all levels of the football club to play a specific way, with a specific formation. This goes round down to the U-14 level teams. The change in the tactics was a club-wide change, not a first team change. This is confirmed. Goalkeepers are told under no circumstances hoof the ball. Always give to a defender and let them bring out of defence. Even if they are all being tightly marked. Like it or not, the club now has an ethos. An identity. A way of playing the game. If it doesn't produce wins in the Premier League, we'll get relegated. We won't sell out and bring in a long ball manager to preserve PL status. We are playing the long game. If you don't like it, you better learn to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 indeed.....but lets not make out it is radical or the starting line up is getting picked for him...this happens at many clubs with a good and proper academy Would possibly be better to implement this strategy when we actually have the players to pull it off then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 No it's not and it works for some clubs. But most of these clubs aren't playing their first season in the premier league with players not suited to the formation. I have no idea if that is fact or not......bu either way, this path we are on, we will do well to get more points than derby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I have no idea if that is fact or not......bu either way, this path we are on, we will do well to get more points than derby And we already have the worst defence at this stage of the season. 'the Southampton way' isn't working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 did well, better team first half. concede two awful goals quickly its concentration RL - every will have opinions, I will live and die by mine. He is the main reason we got to prem, love the guy, I am the only person to look at. Boruc - came well for crosses in 1st half, was commanding in development games, thought his experience would count. Fox - injured. we are going to play 4/3/3 Any manager who sticks to one formation regardless of the opposition is a fool IMO and deserves exactly what he gets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Merrington mentioning it now. He has been told to play it I'm sure.what a load of ******** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 The idea of playing a fixed formation no matter the opposition seems bizarre. The idea of trying to move over a longer period to 4-3-3 being our default formation does not. The idea of others being responsible for the transfer policy doesn't particularly bother me as long as coach is involved in the discussions as to the type of players needed. The idea of regularly dropping our star player/subbing him repeatedly bothers me immensely. I really don't get how being toothless against W.Ham in the 1st half was a good idea. I'm still supporting Adkins for now, given all the goodwill for masterminding 2 successive promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 what a load of ******** Why is it? Adkins said we are playing 433 a number of people have said it and the blog from before the season mentions it as well. Why do people call things rubbish just because it isn't something they want to hear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 That's brilliant and worrying at the same time. It's brilliant that we want to bring players through playing the same style, so they can drop straight into the team and understand the style of play... but what if it doesn't work for the first team? I can only surmise because I don't know, but I think that the answer to that may be that we may have to undergo short term pain - including relegation - to achieve a long term gain. If there is a club ethos to do this then two things follow: 1. It could take some time 2 results may not be great during that time. If it is a club ethos then Adkins can scarcely be sacked for following it since Cortese has presumably had an influence on that decision.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I can only surmise because I don't know, but I think that the answer to that may be that we may have to undergo short term pain - including relegation - to achieve a long term gain. If there is a club ethos to do this then two things follow: 1. It could take some time 2 results may not be great during that time. If it is a club ethos then Adkins can scarcely be sacked for following it since Cortese has presumably had an influence on that decision..[/quote Absolute garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Scott Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 To not play RL against a Big Fat Sam side who hoof the ball all day long is absolutely criminal. I am a big believer in Adkins and what he has done for this club the past two years has been nothing short of a miracle. However, he f**ked up big time in the summer window and is paying the price now. If cortese is as bad as people like MLT make out he could well be out on his ear. People that say even if we get relegated he has done a good job are wrong. If he can't hack premier league management then I'm sorry but he has to go. Although redknapp is a complete w**ker he knows how to run a premier league club and has a great eye for talented players. I would take him over Nigel at this moment in time to be frank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I'll let you draw your own conclusion. I said this weeks ago and was mocked and shouted down. 'we will play 4-3-3' I think that says enough, don't you? http://worldsoccer.about.com/od/skillsandtactics/a/4-3-3.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Nice counter argument, Roger. I think this idea may be close to the truth. If it doesn't work then we will strengthen the squad at the appropriate time and try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I said weeks ago the formation wasn't of Adkins choice. Thanks all the same. Mate, is that serious? Where did you hear it. PM me if you prefer. A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 http://worldsoccer.about.com/od/skillsandtactics/a/4-3-3.htm That's brilliant. Thanks. Not sure what it had to do with Adkins being told what formation to play though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I agree. I'm still unsure how much of this is his fault, even if he says it is all down to him. Dont really understand this, its basically all his fault. Ok he is part of a transfer TEAM that picked potential players and TBH our lack of defensive options is killing us. BUT he picks the team and the way we play, the coaching and the motivation. I love the guy, but he just seems lost. I dont know whether a change in manager or get someone in to help him, perhaps get dean to have a word with his brother ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I thought he sounded lost. Like a dead man walking into an abyss. He IS lost, not only that, he has "tunnel" vision "We will play 4/3/3 " .... even though most pundits can see it aint working Boruc ??? I honestly could not see the reason he came in over Paulo ?? Besides, it's NOT the keeper, it's the lack of Defence, or a Defence strategy, and THAT is down to the Manager I will be amazed if Adkins is still in a job come Tuesday am., and while we are about it Cortese should be ASHAMED by his own "tunnel" vision, ie "Ramirez at all costs, and sod some decent CB's " I have stated before that I do not think that things have been running smoothly (behind the scenes) at SMS for some time The nasty, petty, and stupid things he has "introduced" especially this season, has taken away our "tradition" of being a Family Club Bring back the Championship, when we can go along and Enjoy things again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Mate, is that serious? Where did you hear it. PM me if you prefer. A Absolutely. I'm just off out Mate, I'll pm you later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Dont really understand this, its basically all his fault. Ok he is part of a transfer TEAM that picked potential players and TBH our lack of defensive options is killing us. BUT he picks the team and the way we play, the coaching and the motivation. I love the guy, but he just seems lost. I dont know whether a change in manager or get someone in to help him, perhaps get dean to have a word with his brother ? He does pick the team but if he is being forced into playing a formation that the players are not able to play effectively then is he solely responsible for all this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 We don't have the players to play 4-3-3 - it's as simple as that. Lambert is just not fast enough or mobile enough to lead the line playing that way. We also lack wide forwards/wingers with real pace to play that way. Not to mention the fact that out full backs just aren't up to playing that way either - both of them need protection from a midfielder in front of them. All this suggests there is some truth in the rumour we are being made to play that way from the very top down. Adkins did sound all but defeated in his post match interview. Something has to change - and it has to be the way we play - I can't see that simply changing the manager will make any difference. Whoever was ultimately responsible for signing players in the summer should also take a large chunk of the blame for not brining in the players needed to play 4-3-3 or more importantly strengthening he defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 most teams play 4.3.3 in the premier league and normally 1 striker up front away,it would make no difference if we played 4.4.2 ,we need 2 stong centre backs and a leftback at the moment we are very week in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-til-i-die Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Adkins to stay for me. We've chopped and changed in the past; look where it got us. Adkins said he wanted one or two defenders. For me it's not his fault. The first half prove the tactics were fine and working. Adkins is being let down by the defence. The quality of a club and it's fans is whether they stick behind people even in bad times. 2 years ago I'd have taken being in the Premiership; I'm guessing most people would have. We're possibly a victim of our own rapid success. Redknapp is a fossil. Despite his good record, we must look forward and not back. Plus, he's a w****r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 **If** NA is being dictated to as to what formation to play, he always has the option to refuse or walk. As he hasn't done that, I can only assume he is happy to play that way. Regardless of who sets the formation, nobody made him drop SRL and Gazza today - quite astonishing decisions. All this talk of formation, but the biggest damage was done by not strengthening the defence in the summer. We are on to a mullering EVERY away game this season. Every team will be looking to tear us a good one. We desperately need to win all of our home games but I can't see that happening. Spurs next and I fancy us to concede at least 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 we played 442 at everton...and left vast open spaces for them to exploit at ease... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 He does pick the team but if he is being forced into playing a formation that the players are not able to play effectively then is he solely responsible for all this? Maybe he is being coerced into playing it, but Reed isnt stupid and if he has Corteses ear he would have said it wasnt working by now. I equally dont understand how you can continually use J Rod out wide, a position he isnt used to. Lambert on the bench ? The whole situation really worries me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Sam is proving that he is open to changing his formation and today they made at least 3 formation changes to match the way Saints played and where their weaknesses showed. The team that Pardew put in place. that was tinkered about with and now has a 50% air of ever achieving Premier league success. This is basically a Championship side and for all the outlay of 30 million looks very tatty indeed. Nigel doesn't appear to be capable of taking on the powers of NC and his boardroom advisers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-til-i-die Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 If the formation and decisions of personnel were so poor why did we play well first half? I'm not sure what's going on but don't think it's down to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 we played 442 at everton...and left vast open spaces for them to exploit at ease... The tactics at Everton were so naive it was untrue, just as they were at Arsenal. By the time the necessary changes were made the game had gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 The Spurs game may be the decider for Nigel's future but the other coaches must share the blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 **** off Adkins. Blah, blah, blah. You've proved that you're a tactical nonse. You have to defend as well as attack yet you don't seem to realise that. We are paying the price heavily for Spunking the transfer kitty on a championship standard striker and an unproven midfielder who looks to be worth a fraction of the £12m wasted on him. your failure to bring in quality at the back has cost us big time. We are becoming a laughing stock. Now **** off so that somebody who knows what they are doing can try and spare us any more embarrassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 That's brilliant. Thanks. Not sure what it had to do with Adkins being told what formation to play though. Use your brain! The "Southampton Way" strategy is to copy Barcelona. They play 4-3-3 and the formation is played at all levels within the club. Therefore, it seems very reasonable to assume that the enforced formation rumour is probably true. The trouble is that the current first team squad doesn't have the right type of players for 4-3-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollysaints1 Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Something has to change now, we are gone if it dosen't people makes excuses saying "were still learining" or "theres still 30 games left" ..what makes people think its going to get better over thirty games? the only learning we have done is realising we are not good enough with the players we have. In his interview Nigel sounds like he knows whats coning to him. the 4-3-3 thing is just ridiculous though, we clearly cant play it and dont have the players to either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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