ringwood Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Well sorry to say it but this game and the formation has changed my mind. Really don't understand Guly as a player or what he brings, the team is now suffering confidence wise and for that reason alone 442 has to be the scheme but listening to Nigel he ain't gonna change, and watching his walk off the pitch I think he knows he's a gonner. Reckon we'll get an announcement later this evening or in the morning and the end of an era will be upon us Thank You Nigel the last two seasons have been fun but last seasons efforts will be wasted before the end of November at this current rate, and 1.3 points a game was quoted on Solent so its time to go. If he survives he has to change, safety in prem has to come first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I have not seen the game, but NA is on a death wish if he puts out a team without your best player.. wot is he thinking.. its not rocket science; you need someone who can hold the ball up. He's history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobes8 Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Very poor again today. West Ham must have been rubbing their hands with glee when the team sheet came out and they saw that Saints would be starting the match with 10 players......what does Guly bring to the team, can anyone truly say? He was out of his depth in the Championship. West Ham did not look that great and I think we have gone downhill since last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Already fed up with this season, its the same old story every game. Will be surprised if Adkins is here vs Spurs (Another game where we will lose very heavily). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 (edited) just back.in the first half it was all saints but with no end product. just cant believe rickie wasnt starting,leaving our best player on the bench is suicidal in this division,if we had gone infront it could and maybe should have been a different result major issue is our defending,why did we get rid of downes,who is now at west ham.he seems to have sorted them out. our support was immense and have to say upton park aint far off the emirates for silence. after last seasons away wins i can honestly say i dont see us getting any this. coys couple of videos from today Edited 20 October, 2012 by rick1976.4.38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Trying to play like Arsenal or Barcelona when you've got a Championship level squad is asking for trouble. The Prem will find out teams that are not up to the mark and like it or not, we're not up to the mark. We're also now seriously in the losing habit. If we're to stay up - if it's critical to the club that we do - then I can see some changes happening fairly quickly. Not ideal - not what I necessarily want - but results don't lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 For whom the bell tolls? it tolls for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints Warrior Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 With Cortesse steering the Saints I dont expect NA to be around if we lose to Spurs. I was desparate to get a ticket for this game as confident of at least a draw. But all reports on radio and TV say Saints were poor and now in trouble and I agree, you cant let in 24 goals and half sloppy ones and expect to stay up. Formations and subs are a puzzel us fans will never understand. Also why buy 2 forwards for the cost of 4 defenders and a midfield holder which is what Saints require. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Poor all around two weeks to sort out te defence and still no change! Norwich showed how it should be done by shutting out Arsenal! We now canot blame the fixture list any more, two more games and 25% of the season gone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Poor all around two weeks to sort out te defence and still no change! Norwich showed how it should be done by shutting out Arsenal! We now canot blame the fixture list any more, two more games and 25% of the season gone! Did Norwich start with their talisman? Yes Did Norwich's talisman last more than 70 minutes? Yes Did Norwich win? Yes Adkins please follow suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Did Norwich start with their talisman? Yes Did Norwich's talisman last more than 70 minutes? Yes Did Norwich win? Yes Adkins please follow suit. Didn't realise Lambert could play well as a defender? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Norwich bought Bassong and we bought who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLY Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 With Cortesse steering the Saints I dont expect NA to be around if we lose to Spurs. I was desparate to get a ticket for this game as confident of at least a draw. But all reports on radio and TV say Saints were poor and now in trouble and I agree, you cant let in 24 goals and half sloppy ones and expect to stay up. Formations and subs are a puzzel us fans will never understand. Also why buy 2 forwards for the cost of 4 defenders and a midfield holder which is what Saints require. It was pretty even first half but again our defence let us down again but I've had it with NA after leaving SRL on the bench again and starting with ******* Guly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I think Adkins will struggle to find 5 positive things to say about this game. It will probably be easier to find 1 positive and 5 negatives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 People need to calm down. NA, like Sturrock in 2004, has had no experience in the Premier league. However, I can see no reason dumping him now. We were modest in our transfer ambitions over the summer as we wher the year before. However, this time we are not so lucky and are being found out. Having said that i am convinced that we have always been happy to adopt the 'yoyo' policy this year and will bounce back next year. Lets look at the evidence. We still have Billy Sharpe on our books and we can always get back a bit on Ramirez. Jayrod is one for next year and we have a really good young goal keeoer, No, I predicted this would happen way back in May and I am being proved right as i was in 2004 when I said it was madness to allow a few fans influence our decision to appoint a League 1 manager over one of Englands most successful managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I refuse to blame NA. He is making the best fist of the hand he has been given. The person facing the sack should be the person in charge of "Recruitment" who failed to bring in the players that WE ALL COULD SEE WE NEEDED IN THE SUMMER. I honestly don't believe NA had much (if any) say in that process. We needed a new defence with PL experience. Unless we find some out of contract players in the next week we could be relegated BEFORE we get the chance to buy defenders in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Didn't realise Lambert could play well as a defender? He's very important when defending corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 As simple as it sounds we got "Fat Sam-ed" We lost because Carroll goes down quicker than a Thai hooker and they exploited it with devastating effect. Cheating at its finest as they were SHOCKING, the most abysmally bad footballing side in the football league, Burton Albion and Gillingham would have been ashamed of that type of performance! At very least Adkins made the right substitutions, Puncheon was **** and Rodriguez the biggest waste of 6m I have ever seen, should have wasted everything on Hoillet and no one else. When Lambert came on we should have made it 2-2 and the game would have been ours as West Ham had no answer for us controlling the ball. Instead we played into that diving ****'s hands and failed miserably. No idea why Boruc, he's not fit or good enough. Gazza is better and unless injured that's the biggest mistake of the season. Worst of all we aren't a bad side, just full of clueless silly mistakes that end up in cricket score lines. The formation works, 4-2-3-1 with morg and steven dropping deep to then power forward works really well, they just don't seem confident to take a shot, leaving the shooting to Rodriguez who couldn't score in a brothel. It's going to be a long season but we cannot sack Adkins yet as there is no one to save us, just roping all the back line together and slapping the ref to book diving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 So many people asked for Boruc to play ,well their you have it are you impressed dying to see him again.Dont wish for a player so quickly when you havn`t seen them play,so many fans on here have their head in the sands.Pointing out the obvious that defence is going to send us down. Just a question, I agree about Boruc. Is the 433 that Adkins said tonight was the way we play, the Cortese Southampton way. Is this the selected way all the club's teams have to adopt. How much has Reed to do with this or is it the Adkins way? Either way we will go down unless we adapt and play a system that gets the best out of the players. It isn't a numbers game, 1000 passes won't win a game unless we score more and let in less than the opposition which is stating the bloody obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Very poor again today. West Ham must have been rubbing their hands with glee when the team sheet came out and they saw that Saints would be starting the match with 10 players......what does Guly bring to the team, can anyone truly say? He was out of his depth in the Championship. West Ham did not look that great and I think we have gone downhill since last season. IDIOT! Firstly Puncheon was the l1 player making us looks stupid. Secondly that was Guly's best game of this season, he isn't a left winger, but played out there properly for 90 mins with his only complaint being Lambert taking the free kick off him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Guly is ****ing **** **** **** **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Said it before, but we can huff and puff, look dangerous (which we didn't particularly), play pretty football and not be under that much pressure, but we can't defend at this level and it's as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Just back from the game. First half we were great, 2nd half not so much. Gifted them 2 goals early in the half, then got back into our stride and equalised but their penalty knocked the stuffing out of us. It was completely against the run of play and we looked like we'd given up. Carroll was falling over constantly and the ref was bottling it and giving everything their way in the 2nd half. Nolan is a proper c*nt too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 As simple as it sounds we got "Fat Sam-ed" We lost because Carroll goes down quicker than a Thai hooker and they exploited it with devastating effect. Cheating at its finest as they were SHOCKING, the most abysmally bad footballing side in the football league, Burton Albion and Gillingham would have been ashamed of that type of performance! I can't imagine that Burton or Gillingham would be ashamed of a performance that would get them an easy 4-1 win in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 (edited) I have not seen the game, but NA is on a death wish if he puts out a team without your best player.. wot is he thinking.. its not rocket science; you need someone who can hold the ball up. He's history[/QUO Edited 21 October, 2012 by harvey delete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Carroll was falling over constantly and the ref was bottling it and giving everything their way in the 2nd half. Nolan is a proper c*nt too. Yep me and the guy to my left couldn't get over how a man who is 6 foot 3, 15 stone and an England striker is going down at every challenge. Especially as he has been found guilty of assault too.... the **** *spits* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Yep me and the guy to my left couldn't get over how a man who is 6 foot 3, 15 stone and an England striker is going down at every challenge. Especially as he has been found guilty of assault too.... the **** *spits* Probably because he's a cheating Geordie c*nt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 FFS. And they say women are hysterical... The only decision I'd query NA on is playing Boruc. Once we were chasing the game it was all a different matter. I went out for an apperitivo at the end of the game 'cos I really couldn't stand the negative ****s on here. The first half showed we had a good formation, but the manager can't be blamed for individual mistakes. And we really suffered from stupid, individual mistakes. Then you get some fans picking on individual players: jeez, I'd like to give some of them a Glasgow kiss, the rascist, negatice c***s. Was Guly that bad_ I don't think so. Did SRL make a massive change when he came on? No, he didnt, ********. He's a great player but to hear some of you hysterical tarts you'd think he's the be all and end all... We're playing down in Turin tomorrow and I really hope I play because I've got so much negative energy to unload, and I'm just wondering how to do it without being booked.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 FFS no one on here is being racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I see sue has been on the uzo ffs Not sure what she expects when we are beyond bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Well sorry to say it but this game and the formation has changed my mind. Really don't understand Guly as a player or what he brings, the team is now suffering confidence wise and for that reason alone 442 has to be the scheme but listening to Nigel he ain't gonna change, and watching his walk off the pitch I think he knows he's a gonner. Reckon we'll get an announcement later this evening or in the morning and the end of an era will be upon us Thank You Nigel the last two seasons have been fun but last seasons efforts will be wasted before the end of November at this current rate, and 1.3 points a game was quoted on Solent so its time to go. If he survives he has to change, safety in prem has to come first. Did you go to Upton park. Guly was literally one of our best players. Ffs. Literally what a **** pointless comment that is moaning for the sake of it. Carroll was offside for every single goal kick. Including the one that won the free kick and penalty... not guly's fault.... lino was a bender. First 2 goals were very unlucky and came down the left, 4 was class and fair play. Stop slagging off players when you clearly don't have a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Did you go to Upton park. Guly was literally one of our best players. Ffs. Literally what a **** pointless comment that is moaning for the sake of it. Carroll was offside for every single goal kick. Including the one that won the free kick and penalty... not guly's fault.... lino was a bender. First 2 goals were very unlucky and came down the left, 4 was class and fair play. Stop slagging off players when you clearly don't have a clue. Er... You can't be offside from a goal kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 FFS. And they say women are hysterical... The only decision I'd query NA on is playing Boruc. Once we were chasing the game it was all a different matter. I went out for an apperitivo at the end of the game 'cos I really couldn't stand the negative ****s on here. The first half showed we had a good formation, but the manager can't be blamed for individual mistakes. And we really suffered from stupid, individual mistakes. Then you get some fans picking on individual players: jeez, I'd like to give some of them a Glasgow kiss, the rascist, negatice c***s. Was Guly that bad_ I don't think so. Did SRL make a massive change when he came on? No, he didnt, ********. He's a great player but to hear some of you hysterical tarts you'd think he's the be all and end all... We're playing down in Turin tomorrow and I really hope I play because I've got so much negative energy to unload, and I'm just wondering how to do it without being booked.. Lambert wasn't at fault for fontes hand ball was he. Lambert is the bloomin be all and end all. He's our best player and has been for years. Adkins has lost plot. Wake up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 (edited) Went to the game -and I don't think Sue is million miles off TBF. The gameplan worked a treat in the first half, albeit against a very poor, predictable side. We commanded the midfield, my biggest fear going into the game and won most second balls. Davis and Schneiderlin were v.good. We will always miss Lambert's ability to conjure something out of nothing but in terms of teamplay and structure, Jrod offered us greater mobility and a decent outlet. Recall that Lambert had some of his poorest games against Wham last season, making Winston Reid look like a world-beater and didn't really trouble them after he came on. Whether that justifies dropping a potential matchwinner, though, is more debatable but to say that leaving Lambert out significantly lowered our chances of winning is nonsense. Frankly people are looking for simple, black-and-white answers to a problem that's a tad more complex. As for Guly, he wasn't great but he wasn't a like-for-like replacement for Lambert. He played on the left, a position nobody has made their own. Lambert would have struggled and Jrod has already shown he cant play there. Jrod, not Guly kept Lambert out -and Jrod is a 100% NA player for the conspiratorially-minded helmets. Again individual mistakes -not formations cost us -and the timing of the first and second goals knocked the stuffing out of us. Even then we managed to rally and nicked a goal -and some of the hammers fans I spoke to after the game thought we were the more likely team to score. But the pen -needlessly conceded- killed it. Not saying we were great -we flatter to deceive up top and lack pace but thats why we brought in Mayuka and Ramirez- but we were not out of our depth today. Still defensive frailties make talk about Lambert slightly indulgent and irrelevant -and with the limited personnel on our books, they are not going to disappear anytime soon. In absence of new signings, I cant see how any manager -NA or a newcomer- can address or wish these problems away. Edited 20 October, 2012 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 "Wot" is actually spelt 'what', just thought I'd let you know.............if you require any further assistance on the spelling of the queens English language, please don't hesitate to ask. Isn't it Queen's English? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobes8 Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 IDIOT! Firstly Puncheon was the l1 player making us looks stupid. Secondly that was Guly's best game of this season, he isn't a left winger, but played out there properly for 90 mins with his only complaint being Lambert taking the free kick off him. Really.... Been to enough games to know guly ain't up to it...best game if the season you say, so an improved performance, you blind or something.. Guly was average in league 1, not great in the championship and not likely to cut it in the prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Lambert wasn't at fault for fontes hand ball was he. Lambert is the bloomin be all and end all. He's our best player and has been for years. Adkins has lost plot. Wake up Exactly -couldn't have put it better myself. What killed us had nothing to do with Lambert, so why would he have made a difference? That's where attention should be focused - everything else is secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Exactly -couldn't have put it better myself. What killed us had nothing to do with Lambert, so why would he have made a difference? That's where attention should be focused - everything else is secondary. We may have been 2-0 with lambert on the pitch as we were the better team Playing lambert when you are losing is too late We have never lost any part of the game lambert has scores and he was on the pitch this season you defend from the front Lambert is probably our 2nd best defender at set pieces Maybe he would have got to the first one we let in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 When are we going to wear the white kit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Really.... Been to enough games to know guly ain't up to it...best game if the season you say, so an improved performance, you blind or something.. Guly was average in league 1, not great in the championship and not likely to cut it in the prem. No Guly is better than L1 and had many a good game in the champ. In the prem yeah not the best, but better than Puncheon. Guly can actually follow instructions and PASS THE BALL. Punch in the prem has just made some world class runs with some Steve De Ridder style crosses that have more of a chance of breaking someones window than getting into the box. Today was case and point that Punch is nowhere near a prem player because he is clueless and refuses to listen to other people for what to do with the ball. He did exactly the same against Fulham, United, City and Arsenal by just running with the ball into a dead end followed by giving it away to anyone near by. I hate it when people blame Guly and decide he is a L1 player despite his performances. Punch should go back to being the boo boy because he actually deserves it and is a joke of a championship player, let alone a premier league player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Remind me how many assists and goals GULY has this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Im still in shock we lost today. We've been told for the the last few months Carroll is carthorse, Allerdynce is a crap manager who hasn't for a clue and Wet Spam (lol) were a crap team who will go back down, we are far better than them we were told. It should have been easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 When are we going to wear the white kit? That is genius. Bring out an away kit we never wear and wear one no one can buy. The Southampton way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Oh stop moaning at Guly you f*cking tosspots. Him, Davis, Schneiderlin and Lallana were our only decent players today. So f*cking predictable to blame it on him when our second half performance as a team was just poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Oh stop moaning at Guly you f*cking tosspots. Him, Davis, Schneiderlin and Lallana were our only decent players today. So f*cking predictable to blame it on him when our second half performance as a team was just poor. Who is blaming GULY for losing... Just pointing out that he is one of a few very poor players we have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 We may have been 2-0 with lambert on the pitch as we were the better team Playing lambert when you are losing is too late We have never lost any part of the game lambert has scores and he was on the pitch this season you defend from the front Lambert is probably our 2nd best defender at set pieces Maybe he would have got to the first one we let in Maybe but Wham shackled him very effectively last season whereas Jrod's elusiveness and willing running today kept them on their toes -thats why Mayuka has to be given a chance sooner or later. Unless the widemen in a 4-3-3 are quick to support the front man -and the criticism is that our widemen have been too gung-ho, neglecting their defensive responsibilities, you need more mobility up top to compensate. Arsenal showed that. And setpieces werent a problem in the main- indeed Guly made some very good defensive, clearing headers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Maybe I just know we are far better when lambert is on the pitch Like I said, this season we have not lost any part of a game when he ha scored and been on the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Im still in shock we lost today. We've been told for the the last few months Carroll is carthorse, Allerdynce is a crap manager who hasn't for a clue and Wet Spam (lol) were a crap team who will go back down, we are far better than them we were told. It should have been easy. ..especially as our squad is, man for man, far better than Strachan's cup final squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Still think we need to have more points than games played come the end of November, and call it blind faith if you like, but I think we will have. Big month is November...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Maybe I just know we are far better when lambert is on the pitch Like I said, this season we have not lost any part of a game when he ha scored and been on the pitch Shame he hasn't scored more away then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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