saint cozza Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Think two words some it up; Crap and Embarrising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Abysmal. Just when we were turning things around after the appalling 2nd half start, Nigel goes and upsets things by yet another badly timed substitutions. He pussyfooted but then when hope was there he acted. When is he going to realise that taking off Puncheon gives the opponents an open door to get control. Let's face it, even Gray and Wigley got better results and didn't have the money to buy in players. Heard Sir Clive's out of a job, maybe he's the answer to getting Nigel on track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Bizarre, Lambert on the bench, Gazzaniga dropped for Boruc after the Fulham game where he wasn't at fault for either goal, was he on the bench? Boruc in the Sky commentator's words, nervous, indecisive, having a mare, a game he will want to forget. Adkin's is making errors. WHU playing the same way as last year. We are just counting passes. Get back to basics, play the way the team is comfortable and stop trying to accommodate players like Guly out of position who contributed nothing front, middle or at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 The constant flow of individual mistakes suggests that some of our players need a much firmer hand than Nigel is willing or able to provide. Some of them might benefit from facing the hairdryer but I don't think Nigel knows where the switch is. The decision to leave out Gazzaniga, who IMO had helped to settle the defence - even though he's a bit raw, was inexplicable unless he was injured. Familiarity between the back four and the keeper is crucial at this level. We don't seem to have any real idea what our best side is. On those bases, even I am wondering whether Nigel's time is up and I can certainly see Cortese pulling the plug this week. Hard to disagree with that. The only thing I'd say, is those who made individual mistakes are the same who have been doing so all season, so perhaps it's not a question of discipline or being firm, but just the quality and experience of those players as well as how quickly they can learn a new league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Oh dear oh dear oh dear - 24 goals let in after 8 matches. Dreadful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Jay Rod for Lambert. Dear God. J-ROD played OK in mu Opinion. We should be playing AL in the LEFT and J_ROD and RL upfront. It really is that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Heres a interesting Stat putting today aside , If we had held on to the leads we have had we would be second in the Prem !!! Ability to score and get in front . Back bone and tactical skill from the manager to hold on to it an issue ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 So many people asked for Boruc to play ,well their you have it are you impressed dying to see him again.Dont wish for a player so quickly when you havn`t seen them play,so many fans on here have their head in the sands.Pointing out the obvious that defence is going to send us down. Does your computer provide a spell checker or any kind of grammatical assistance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 J-ROD played OK in mu Opinion. We should be playing AL in the LEFT and J_ROD and RL upfront. It really is that simple. It's more the fact that Lambert was on the bench and Jay Rod played in his position. Just criminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Jay Rod for Lambert. Dear God. Played well by all accounts. The tactics weren't that bad. In fact, we were the bigger threat going forward in the first half, and were pretty sound defensively. It was defensive lapses of concentration that killed us off and gave Wet Spam an easy victory. Jay Rod for Lambo was an alright decision. Boruc - why replace a young keeper that is playing well? Surely you let him have a run of games? Guly - why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSaint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 IF Cortese wants to get rid of Adkins, he should do it sooner rather than later so whoever comes in can get to know the squad and figure out which players he wants to replace in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Is NA too soft on the players? Is he too nice?? I think a bit of hairdrying treatment would go down a treat. Say it how it is. Its time to stop the softly softly and get on with the tactics of playing hard and berrate players when they make individual errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Disappointed - hoped for a point. To let in 4, OMG there is something wrong, I'm beginning to get nervous......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulstersaint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I'm the same. I wanted to give him till the end of the season at least.......But he seems to have completely lost the plot. RegrettablyI agree. Poor purchases (no prem' experienced defenders in the summer), poor selections (Lambert on the bench and Guly on the pitch), poor substitutions (Guly left on and Puncheon taken off). Looks like Nigel is out of depth in Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I think we might be seeing here just how much we overachieved last season. That said, we're still outside the relegation zone, for now, and it looks like this could be a record low season for achieving safety. I like Adkins, and I think we should keep hold of him, but pressure is inevitably going to build now, and that will have its own effect on the team. Might be we need to change manager just to drag us out of the spiral of pressure and low confidence, but not just yet. Learn what we can from this, draw a line, and on to the next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 So is the idea of plauing 4-4-2 next week such a bad idea ? It cant be any worse than this dreadful 4-3-3 experiment. Adam Blackmore on Solent said before a ball was kicked this season about changing formation and was it a wise thing to do first year back in Prem. The answer is a resounding NO !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 So many people asked for Boruc to play ,well their you have it are you impressed dying to see him again.Dont wish for a player so quickly when you havn`t seen them play,so many fans on here have their head in the sands.Pointing out the obvious that defence is going to send us down. What else can you say though? We're good going forward and horrid at the back, all our problems come from our defence. You're right, it is obvious, it's possibly even lazy, but you can't blame shipping four goals on our forwards, our midfield does a reasonable job getting forward, but we can't defend - we can't defend in midfield, we can't defend at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I dunno, maybe sub-consciously? As said previously, it was half said in jest anyway. It is getting a bit old now TBH, especially as we have a few black players now who get no abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge_B Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I think we might be seeing here just how much we overachieved last season. That said, we're still outside the relegation zone, for now, and it looks like this could be a record low season for achieving safety. I like Adkins, and I think we should keep hold of him, but pressure is inevitably going to build now, and that will have its own effect on the team. Might be we need to change manager just to drag us out of the spiral of pressure and low confidence, but not just yet. Learn what we can from this, draw a line, and on to the next game. ^ this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 What else can you say though? We're good going forward and horrid at the back, all our problems come from our defence. You're right, it is obvious, it's possibly even lazy, but you can't blame shipping four goals on our forwards, our midfield does a reasonable job getting forward, but we can't defend - we can't defend in midfield, we can't defend at the back. Jack Cork might help possibly? I cant help thinking that if we had got a point or two against the Manchester clubs then we would be doing better now. That's how football goes though and we aren't helping ourselves with these weird formations, tactics and selections. We also didn't do this last year, I wonder to what extent Adkins is picking the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I think we might be seeing here just how much we overachieved last season. That said, we're still outside the relegation zone, for now, and it looks like this could be a record low season for achieving safety. I like Adkins, and I think we should keep hold of him, but pressure is inevitably going to build now, and that will have its own effect on the team. Might be we need to change manager just to drag us out of the spiral of pressure and low confidence, but not just yet. Learn what we can from this, draw a line, and on to the next game. until we let in another 3...and peddle out the same...then we draw a line under that, then let in another 3 at WBA (whilst being dumped out of the cup)...draw a line under that..? we keep drawing lines, keep making excuses but nothing has changed this season...it may well just be, Nigel is not up to it just yet and should we be taken down if that is the case..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I think we might be seeing here just how much we overachieved last season. That said, we're still outside the relegation zone, for now, and it looks like this could be a record low season for achieving safety. I like Adkins, and I think we should keep hold of him, but pressure is inevitably going to build now, and that will have its own effect on the team. Might be we need to change manager just to drag us out of the spiral of pressure and low confidence, but not just yet. Learn what we can from this, draw a line, and on to the next game. What more can we learn? We're not learning anything, because we're doing the same things every, single, week. We've had enough blue lines drawn to create a bloody tower block. Something is wrong, whether it's the coaching or the ability of the players, but we don't learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I like Adkins, and I think we should keep hold of him, but pressure is inevitably going to build now, and that will have its own effect on the team. Might be we need to change manager just to drag us out of the spiral of pressure and low confidence, but not just yet. That's pretty much where I stand. I really WANT him to pull this out of the ditch, but today was somehow different from the rest of the games. We had them where we wanted them, and unlike last season, we came out at half time determined to make Wham look good. Something has changed from the last couple of years in terms of what Nige can do in terms of motivation and coherence. It's only after today's game that I am losing faith in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 If he acts like nothing happened and says how well we played in the first half, I'll be annoyed. First thing he says "I thought we played well in the first half" FFS Nigel f*ck off and do something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Hard to disagree with that. The only thing I'd say, is those who made individual mistakes are the same who have been doing so all season, so perhaps it's not a question of discipline or being firm, but just the quality and experience of those players as well as how quickly they can learn a new league. I hear what you're saying but IMO the players concerned, for the most part, have the technical ability to play at this level. What's killing us is a recurrent pattern of lost concentration, lousy positioning and poor decision-making, which are "between the ears" issues that a good manager and coaching staff will eradicate. Sometimes you can do it with love but mostly it's achieved with "tough love", and I don't think NA has that in his armoury. Cortese has tons of it and is quick (too quick!) to spot the need for it, which is why I don't think he'll allow this to continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian the Red Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Poor starting XI again, poor subs again. NA needs to improve very, very quickly. We must beat Spuds. But NA must start with our best XI. Why don't we play 4-4-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I know it has been discussed in length in the past and often poo-poo'd but I'm becoming increasingly worried that Nigel is not calling the shots at this football club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludgershallsaint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Norwich, Reading and Swansea at home and QPR away all between 10 Nov and 8 Dec. The results against this lot will be critical in the final analysis just like when we had a similar run under Wigley at the same time 7 years ago. I don't know if NA will get the results we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 First thing he says "I thought we played well in the first half" FFS Nigel f*ck off and do something different. As hard as it is for me to say this, I think he's lost. He's not sure where he's going at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Oh dear. In his interview, Nige sounds broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Oh dear. In his interview, Nige sounds broken. Sounds like he really feels / knows the writing is on the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 20 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Sounds like he really feels / knows the writing is on the wall. Shades of Wigley at Old Trafford? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Look, This is SAINTS on the line here, can you STUPID girls stop bickering about your menstrual cycles and let the rest of us talk about SAINTS!!!??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Look, This is SAINTS on the line here, can you STUPID girls stop bickering about your menstrual cycles and let the rest of us talk about SAINTS!!!??? I've missed mine for the last 28 years. I think I may be pregnant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Oh **** Time for a change I hate to say it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulstersaint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Nigel said decisions and responsibilities are all down to him. Signing his own P45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I was in hospitality and the west ham fans almost unanimously agreed that we played all the football - not so sure myself. Thought we were a bit powderpuff to be honest and such a soft touch at the back. This season is already reminding me of how depressing football can be when your team is simply not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Oh **** Time for a change I hate to say it I'm trying not to say it. It's on the tip of my tongue, but I just can't actually say it, not just yet. However, I fear that in the future, I will wish I said it sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Nigel said decisions and responsibilities are all down to him. Signing his own P45. How insistent he was about that made me suspicious that that is not actually the case. I feel sorry for Adkins. The blog from the Radio Solent bloke is on my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I've missed mine for the last 28 years. I think I may be pregnant. That's what you get for sleeping with sailors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 The old me would have said, well, that was a freaky few minutes early in the second half..................But then we continued to be freaky for the rest of the half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Stickman Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Questionable summer transfer policy, signings, tactics, selections and substitutions; we have gone backwards these last few months. As much as I hate to say it, I have serious doubts NA can turn this around. Trouble is, most managers would struggle with our lop-sided squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGC Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Shocking, shocking, shocking........ Absolutely gutted at how the season's panning out. Wasting money in the summer on strikers we didn't need and not getting any Premiership standard defenders is costing us massively. I'd rather see Adkins stay for some stability and continuity as I hate this 'we want results and want them right away' thinking that exists in football now. But really, if we are to stay in the Prem we need to act now because leaving it to January will be far far too late and we'll have an even more depressing second half to the season. So cheesed off right now.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Questionable summer transfer policy, signings, tactics, selections and substitutions; we have gone backwards these last few months. As much as I hate to say it, I have serious doubts NA can turn this around. Trouble is, most managers would struggle with our lop-sided squad Yes, it's all been going wrong for some time going back a couple of months into last season. I think we would struggle in the Championship at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Mods? Right now would be the right time for a new poll on Adkin's viability as manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I'm sure that WHam fans will be full of themselves, but I hope they realise that losing to them was the catalyst for Saints fans to realise just how bad things are here. I mean, losing to THOSE tossers! Yes! NOW we realise just how bad things are here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 To be fair he is a cb playing out of position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Totally dominated posession and played all of the football but we posed very little threat. when we had the opportunity to hit them on the break we were pondurous. Maya mistake for the second was woeful. i thought guly had a good game. one terrible pass second half otherwise very good. davis also played well. i thought clyne was not at his best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I have no knowledge about the inner workings at SFC, but all this carp about NA being told who to play and what formation is utter twaddle imo. I think he picks his own team but I do question some of his decisions. Why change 'keepers today? Why play a CB at LB? Why is he making poor sub' changes? I hope he can turn things around but fear he might not get the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 norwich are winning now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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