Rickie on the bench? **** it, I've had enough, Adkins out.

[Dig Dig]

8 games is closer to the 10 than many managers refer to than the 5 you mention.

 

Sorry, didn't realise that 10 games is the official manager benchmark. Makes sense to forget everything else you know about about a manager who has brought the club massive success over two seasons and just focus on a handful of games. Great approach.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Sorry, didn't realise that 10 games is the official manager benchmark. Makes sense to forget everything else you know about about a manager who has brought the club massive success over two seasons and just focus on a handful of games. Great approach.

 

*Facepalm*

 

Go look it up, I can't be bothered to even find one for you.

[tajjuk]

Just because the media have this 'judge on ten games' time mentality doesn;t mean you have to follow it, make your own mind up, a lot of us thought it very harsh to judge a manager on his first 10 games in the premier league, especially considering his previous success. I would have thought 2 successive promotions would earn more loyalty from fans than just 10 games?

[Turkish]

I dont see why everyone is having a pop at DPS for expressing his opinion a few weeks ago on something. Adkins (or whoever is responsible) was making some strange decsions, didn't seem to know their best line up, playing players out of position and we were thrashed at West Ham. Things are improving now and we look a much better side which has been done by addressing the very things DPS pointed out were wrong.

[Restark19]

Hopefully everyone on this site can learn from this embarrassing thread and next time we hit a run of poor results we get less of this childish 'Adkins out' pants p*ssing and the select few who were doing this get behind Nigel and the side

Edited 26 November, 2012 by Restark19

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I dont see why everyone is having a pop at DPS for expressing his opinion a few weeks ago on something. Adkins (or whoever is responsible) was making some strange decsions, didn't seem to know their best line up, playing players out of position and we were thrashed at West Ham. Things are improving now and we look a much better side which has been done by addressing the very things DPS pointed out were wrong.

 

Frustrating is the best way to put it! You'd think that I had done it after a rich vein of form...

[Saint Garrett]

I dont see why everyone is having a pop at DPS for expressing his opinion a few weeks ago on something. Adkins (or whoever is responsible) was making some strange decsions, didn't seem to know their best line up, playing players out of position and we were thrashed at West Ham. Things are improving now and we look a much better side which has been done by addressing the very things DPS pointed out were wrong.

 

Not particularly Adkins fault that Cork and Ramirez were unfit...as well as Fox. In hindsight, Shaw probably should have played vs West Ham, but would have been a bit unfair throwing him in at Upton Park to make his Premier League debut into a team with very low confidence against a team full of 6 foot 4 lumps.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Hopefully everyone on this site can learn from this embarrassing thread and next time we hit a run of poor results we get less of this childish 'Adkins out' pants p*ssing and the select few who were doing this get behind Nigel and the side

 

Have you read the thread and other associated threads and the reasoning behind my opinion?

[Bucks Saint]

I dont see why everyone is having a pop at DPS for expressing his opinion a few weeks ago on something. Adkins (or whoever is responsible) was making some strange decsions, didn't seem to know their best line up, playing players out of position and we were thrashed at West Ham. Things are improving now and we look a much better side which has been done by addressing the very things DPS pointed out were wrong.

 

Criticism is one thing. No issue there. Firing NA, as DPS repeatedly asked for, would have been mad. That's why

[Turkish]

Criticism is one thing. No issue there. Firing NA, as DPS repeatedly asked for, would have been mad. That's why

 

25% of this forum voted at the time that it wouldn't be. If we'd had lost against Swansea or QPR it would have undoubtedly been a lot more. I wasn't one of them by the way.

[buctootim]

25% of this forum voted at the time that it wouldn't be. If we'd had lost against Swansea or QPR it would have undoubtedly been a lot more. I wasn't one of them by the way.

 

Bit of a difference between a calm reasoned silent vote and lots of excitable shrill threads and posts demanding he go now.

[tajjuk]

I dont see why everyone is having a pop at DPS for expressing his opinion a few weeks ago on something. Adkins (or whoever is responsible) was making some strange decsions, didn't seem to know their best line up, playing players out of position and we were thrashed at West Ham. Things are improving now and we look a much better side which has been done by addressing the very things DPS pointed out were wrong.

 

Title of the thread - "Rickie on the bench? **** it, I've had enough, Adkins out."

 

Opening Post -

Proper had enough now.

 

Essentially he wanted Adkins sacked because Lambert was on the bench and you don;t see why people are 'having a pop at him'

 

We were thrashed at West Ham because we gave away 3 stupid goals in like 10 minutes when we had been controlling the game in the first half. I'm sure Lambert would have made a huge difference to the individual defensive mistakes, or was he going to score 5?

 

The thread was stupid then and is embarrassing now.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Title of the thread - "Rickie on the bench? **** it, I've had enough, Adkins out."

 

Opening Post -

 

Essentially he wanted Adkins sacked because Lambert was on the bench and you don;t see why people are 'having a pop at him'

 

We were thrashed at West Ham because we gave away 3 stupid goals in like 10 minutes when we had been controlling the game in the first half. I'm sure Lambert would have made a huge difference to the individual defensive mistakes, or was he going to score 5?

 

The thread was stupid then and is embarrassing now.

 

We controlled the first half with nothing to show for it. Why was this? I would venture because our best striker and debatably our best player was on the bench.

 

I also assume you're not reading it in context with the other threads?

[notnowcato]

The only winner here is Glasgow Saint, he's a very naughty boy!

[Wes Tender]

I think that DPS is getting it in the neck for a couple of reasons.

 

Apart from the fact that it is impossible to judge how the season might pan out based on only a few games anyway, what gets up other posters noses is the suggestion that he makes, based on no inside knowledge of factors that might affect them, that decisions made by Adkins have directly contributed to our poor start and should result in him being sacked.

 

Even more ludicrous is the suggestion that he and some others were able to suss out these strategical shortcomings after just 5 games, three of which were against three of the top four in the division and another that we actually won.

 

And then he has the gall to claim that now that Adkins has addressed these shortcomings that he, DPS, is vindicated and was right all along.

 

And yet he admits that he doesn't know the reasons why Lambert didn't start some matches, whether he was fully fit for example, does not know what the strategical thinking was behind J Rod playing out wide, does not know this information about any other players in the squad, but is nevertheless confident that it qualifies him to make better decisions than an experienced manager who has dealings with the players on a daily basis and sees them perform on the training ground. The fact that key players were absent through injury is not accepted as a reason for our poor start, so not accepted either now that they have returned and allowed Adkins more latitude and have resulted in improved performances.

 

And anybody who points out all this, is burying their heads in the sand.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I think that DPS is getting it in the neck for a couple of reasons.

 

Apart from the fact that it is impossible to judge how the season might pan out based on only a few games anyway, what gets up other posters noses is the suggestion that he makes, based on no inside knowledge of factors that might affect them, that decisions made by Adkins have directly contributed to our poor start and should result in him being sacked.

 

Even more ludicrous is the suggestion that he and some others were able to suss out these strategical shortcomings after just 5 games, three of which were against three of the top four in the division and another that we actually won.

 

And then he has the gall to claim that now that Adkins has addressed these shortcomings that he, DPS, is vindicated and was right all along.

 

And yet he admits that he doesn't know the reasons why Lambert didn't start some matches, whether he was fully fit for example, does not know what the strategical thinking was behind J Rod playing out wide, does not know this information about any other players in the squad, but is nevertheless confident that it qualifies him to make better decisions than an experienced manager who has dealings with the players on a daily basis and sees them perform on the training ground. The fact that key players were absent through injury is not accepted as a reason for our poor start, so not accepted either now that they have returned and allowed Adkins more latitude and have resulted in improved performances.

 

And anybody who points out all this, is burying their heads in the sand.

 

I was right all along though!!!

 

I am happy to admit I am wrong, but the points you are making aren't making much sense. As far as I and others are concerned, unless we are told of injuries, and there was no hints that there were injuries to Lambert et al at the beginning of the Season, we can quite safely assume that they are not injured. This is an assumption we have to make.

 

Let's turn this around. You say that I am not aware of any background issues so cannot criticise. What internal factors that we aren't aware of means that you can defend the decisions I have issues with?

 

You know that you burying your head in the sand is due tot he fact that you believe Adkins has done nothing wrong this season. How you ascertain this I really do not understand.

[Saint Garrett]

Don't think people are saying NA is blameless, but he is learning from his mistakes. It's a learning curve for the whole club, including the chairman and manager. Given the position we found ourselves in with 2 promotions it would have been very harsh to sack Adkins.

 

As long as the fans see progression and people learning, and not being completely outclassed then there is no issue who the manager is. Stick with NA he deserves a chance.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Don't think people are saying NA is blameless, but he is learning from his mistakes. It's a learning curve for the whole club, including the chairman and manager. Given the position we found ourselves in with 2 promotions it would have been very harsh to sack Adkins.

 

As long as the fans see progression and people learning, and not being completely outclassed then there is no issue who the manager is. Stick with NA he deserves a chance.

 

And up until the Swansea game we had not seen this progression and people learning. THIS was my main issue.

[Wes Tender]

I was right all along though!!!

 

I am happy to admit I am wrong, but the points you are making aren't making much sense. As far as I and others are concerned, unless we are told of injuries, and there was no hints that there were injuries to Lambert et al at the beginning of the Season, we can quite safely assume that they are not injured. This is an assumption we have to make.

 

Let's turn this around. You say that I am not aware of any background issues so cannot criticise. What internal factors that we aren't aware of means that you can defend the decisions I have issues with?

 

You know that you burying your head in the sand is due tot he fact that you believe Adkins has done nothing wrong this season. How you ascertain this I really do not understand.

 

Where do I say that Adkins has done nothing wrong this season? I don't have the reasons behind his decision not to start Lambert on occasions, his reasoning behind playing J Rod out wide, the reason for tactical substitutions. Because of that, I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he must have his reasons based on inside knowledge and experience.

 

Regrettably, others are not so understanding or far readier to condemn when things don't go according to plan.

[Saint Garrett]

And up until the Swansea game we had not seen this progression and people learning. THIS was my main issue.

 

Arguable. We were good against Fulham, we were good against Spurs 2nd half. Swansea we played very well against a handy side, but threw it away with an error.

 

We've only really been 'poor' in the Arsenal game this season IMO.

 

Everton we were in control, and then Everton were awesome for 20 minutes and scored 3 times.

 

West Ham we bossed the game apart from throwing 2 quick goals away and by then the game was pretty much over. Especially when Fonte then went and pulled Carroll's hair.

 

Improvement is for all to see, we haven't been playing badly. It's more naivity and individual errors which were costing us. We've now wised up a bit to the prem and haven't made any **** ups recently.

[Turkish]

Arguable. We were good against Fulham, we were good against Spurs 2nd half. Swansea we played very well against a handy side, but threw it away with an error.

 

We've only really been 'poor' in the Arsenal game this season IMO.

 

Everton we were in control, and then Everton were awesome for 20 minutes and scored 3 times.

 

West Ham we bossed the game apart from throwing 2 quick goals away and by then the game was pretty much over. Especially when Fonte then went and pulled Carroll's hair.

 

Improvement is for all to see, we haven't been playing badly. It's more naivity and individual errors which were costing us. We've now wised up a bit to the prem and haven't made any **** ups recently.

 

We'd have beaten Fulham if we'd have had a right back. They weren't up too much but Richardson going off injured led to Yoshida playing out of position and this was exploited in the second half. I'm convinced if Clyne had been fit we'd have won and probably fairly comfortably.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Where do I say that Adkins has done nothing wrong this season? I don't have the reasons behind his decision not to start Lambert on occasions, his reasoning behind playing J Rod out wide, the reason for tactical substitutions. Because of that, I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he must have his reasons based on inside knowledge and experience.

 

Regrettably, others are not so understanding or far readier to condemn when things don't go according to plan.

 

I think we're best to agree to disagree, I don't see your point as relevant, and you vice versa.

[Saint Garrett]

We'd have beaten Fulham if we'd have had a right back. They weren't up too much but Richardson going off injured led to Yoshida playing out of position and this was exploited in the second half. I'm convinced if Clyne had been fit we'd have won and probably fairly comfortably.

 

Exactly. I think if we had had our full side out every week since the start of the season, we could have easily beaten Wigan Fulham and given Spurs a much better game as well as seeing out the game Vs Swansea.

[The Kraken]

We'd have beaten Fulham if we'd have had a right back. They weren't up too much but Richardson going off injured led to Yoshida playing out of position and this was exploited in the second half. I'm convinced if Clyne had been fit we'd have won and probably fairly comfortably.

 

I think having Yoshida there also led to a mistake from Adkins, in taking off Puncheon and bringing on Chaplow. Puncheon was playing well, and to be honest was about our only attacking outlet, and that dried up as soon as Chaplow came on.

 

Saying that, neither goal from Fulham came down that side of play, so its not exactly a cut and dried argument. Yoshi was crap, but was he directly responsible for either goal? Probably not. But I don't think the substitutions helped the balance of play at all, and invited Fulham on to us.

[The Kraken]

Exactly. I think if we had had our full side out every week since the start of the season, we could have easily beaten Wigan Fulham and given Spurs a much better game as well as seeing out the game Vs Swansea.

 

Well hang on, apart from Cork we pretty much had our full squad (as it was at the time) available for the Wigan game. Its all well and good saying that because we've got no injuries we're now alright; does that mean if we get one or two more injuries that we'll be f*cked again?

[Saint Garrett]

Well hang on, apart from Cork we pretty much had our full squad (as it was at the time) available for the Wigan game. Its all well and good saying that because we've got no injuries we're now alright; does that mean if we get one or two more injuries that we'll be f*cked again?

 

No, but it's no surprise that when a few of our key players aren't available, we're going to struggle compared to how we'd do with them, thats a fact. Same with every team.

[The Kraken]

No, but it's no surprise that when a few of our key players aren't available, we're going to struggle compared to how we'd do with them, thats a fact. Same with every team.

 

Personally I think it shows that we've got to learn to grind out results when we haven't got our first choice line-up; we've got to find a slightly different way to play that still gets the best out of the players we do have available. I genuinely don't think we were doing that; our injuries were being compounded by questionable tactics, formations, selections and substiutions IMO.

[Saint Charlie]

Personally I think it shows that we've got to learn to grind out results when we haven't got our first choice line-up; we've got to find a slightly different way to play that still gets the best out of the players we do have available. I genuinely don't think we were doing that; our injuries were being compounded by questionable tactics, formations, selections and substiutions IMO.

 

Ramirez record for us when starting:

 

P 6

W 3

D 1

L 2

F 11

A 6

T 10 (of our 11 points)

 

Just shows the benefit of having your best player fit and playing. Not acceptable to crumble without them but pretty obvious when your better players are fit you have more chance of winning.

[Dalek2003]

For the time being the 'vocal minority' are quiet. If they had kept their mouths shut in the Spring of 2004 we may have been looking at over 30 years of unbroken top league football !

What a bunch of self righteous idiots !

[Glasgow_Saint]

The only winner here is Glasgow Saint, he's a very naughty boy!

 

Me?

[Saint Garrett]

For the time being the 'vocal minority' are quiet. If they had kept their mouths shut in the Spring of 2004 we may have been looking at over 30 years of unbroken top league football !

What a bunch of self righteous idiots !

Don't understand your point. Glenda's record after he left us...

G W D L Win %

 

Tottenham Hotspur 104 41 18 45 39.42

Wolverhampton Wanderers 76 27 34 15 35.53

[Dig Dig]

*Facepalm*

 

Go look it up, I can't be bothered to even find one for you.

 

I've spent all day researching this and found nothing via FIFA, UEFA the FA or the LMA on this official 10 game benchmark?

 

Can you provide a link?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I've spent all day researching this and found nothing via FIFA, UEFA the FA or the LMA on this official 10 game benchmark?

 

Can you provide a link?

 

Why would you do that? I never even implied it was official. Showing your low level of intelligence here again Dig Dig. I assume your name is Dig Dig as you dig holes for a living?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I've spent all day researching this and found nothing via FIFA, UEFA the FA or the LMA on this official 10 game benchmark?

 

Can you provide a link?

 

Oh my God, you thought I was saying look up the 10 game thing.

 

Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha, no I meant look up Facepalm, moron.

[Dig Dig]

Oh my God, you thought I was saying look up the 10 game thing.

 

Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha, no I meant look up Facepalm, moron.

 

Look up facepalm? Where? Is it like facebook?

[Dr Who?]

Still a long way to go, but have always said November would be the turning point. I do have to say I feared for his job, because of the way football is these days, but I have always stuck behind Nigel, while others were quite frankly losing the plot, and asking for his head.

 

Long may this good run continue, but please remember we will lose again, and it could be tomorrow, that is football, but lets keep Adkins, as we know what we are capable of. Our football has always been very good, and we play the right way. It has just taken a bit of time to find our feet, as a club back in the premier league. Not just the players, playing as a team, the manager, or just picking our game up. But all I can say is thank god the people in charge at the club make the decisions and not the the majority of the posters on here.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Look up facepalm? Where? Is it like facebook?

 

Just put it into Google and look at images. Double facepalm is even better.

Edited 26 November, 2012 by Dibden Purlieu Saint

[Dig Dig]

Why would you do that? I never even implied it was official. Showing your low level of intelligence here again Dig Dig. I assume your name is Dig Dig as you dig holes for a living?

 

Yes, I dig big holes for a living until I'm told to stop. I'm not sure what the holes are for but I think it's something to do with construction?

[Dalek2003]

Have to say Dr Who and the Dalek have stood shoulder to shoulder in backing NA under a barrage of criticism from the lilly livered bed wetters and doom momgers on this site.

Well done for all who have supported NA and if things do turn down again I hope you re-double your support as we have a yoyo strategy in place if need be.

[Dig Dig]

Just put it into Facebook and look at images. Double facepalm is even better.

 

Don't you mean google?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Don't you mean google?

 

No.

[Dig Dig]

No.

 

Why have you edited your post then?

[Glasgow_Saint]

Why have you edited your post then?

 

Dont get too involved with Helen Flanagan (aka DPS) He will report you to the mods once he realises hes lost the debate

[buctootim]

Its like watching a crucifixion. Dig Dig is handing DPS the nails but he's hammering them in himself.....

[The Kraken]

Why have you edited your post then?

 

You're a mean bully, Dig Dog.

[Saint Charlie]

Its like watching a crucifixion. Dig Dig is handing DPS the nails but he's hammering them in himself.....

 

If it was boxing it would have been stopped long ago. Dig Dig has hammered him to be fair, don't think I've ever seen a more public humiliation on here..the mongboard at its brutal best, but I'm sure DPS will bounce back, he has thick skin.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

If it was boxing it would have been stopped long ago. Dig Dig has hammered him to be fair, don't think I've ever seen a more public humiliation on here..the mongboard at its brutal best, but I'm sure DPS will bounce back, he has thick skin.

 

Says you, I'm in tears at the cyber-bullying going on here....

[Saint Charlie]

Says you, I'm in tears at the cyber-bullying going on here....

 

I'm sure you will pull through lad! We all make mistakes, I thought N'Guessan was a top signing at the time.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I'm sure you will pull through lad!

 

I have been thrown to the dogs to protect those with the same opinions, the great disciples that will continue to try to temper the expectations of those less able.

 

As Jesus rose again, so will I, and more powerful than ever.

[Saint Charlie]

I have been thrown to the dogs to protect those with the same opinions, the great disciples that will continue to try to temper the expectations of those less able.

 

As Jesus rose again, so will I, and more powerful than ever.

 

I reckon you will rise again as an Adkins happy clappy.