Mowgli Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I don't, but I feel it is. Do you remember Ian Branfoot? It's similar to the decisions he used to make. Whilst I did not agree with you I did respect your opinion - right up to the comparison with Branfoot when you lost all credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 That's why Adkins is still here as he's a yes man. And Cortese tells Adkins he must play gully. Yes sir free bags full sir. That's why pardew left as he wouldn't stand for Cortese telling him who to play. That's also why Adkins won't get the boot as know one else would putt up with that. Lets be perfectly honest. There's no way anyone on this planet would sub or even drop lambert for gully or any other saints striker for footballing reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I don't, but I feel it is. Do you remember Ian Branfoot? It's similar to the decisions he used to make. I agree,you've got to play your strongest team and he simply isn't doing that....branfoot stubbornly used to go against the grain and leave out letissier to show who was the boss and in the end the supporters won because branfoot signed his own death warrant.....Adkins will be a fool to **** people off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Whilst I did not agree with you I did respect your opinion - right up to the comparison with Branfoot when you lost all credibility. How is not playing Lambert not similar to not playing Matty against Newcastle all those years ago? I wasn't saying Adkins has the same abilities, I said the decision is similar, which it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 In what way does not playing your best player and talisman change over the years? You seem to think the only possible way we can win is with Rickie starting. We have other players too, Rickie is on the bench, Adkins might, just might, be more tactically aware than you. Judge the decision at 17:00, based on the result, the way we play and how Rickie may have changed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 October, 2012 You seem to think the only possible way we can win is with Rickie starting. We have other players too, Rickie is on the bench, Adkins might, just might, be more tactically aware than you. Judge the decision at 17:00, based on the result, the way we play and how Rickie may have changed that. No I don't, where have I said that? Don't put words in my mouth. Can you answer my question please? Why does the change in football over the last 20 years mean you shouldn't play your best player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge_B Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 No I don't, where have I said that? Don't put words in my mouth. Can you answer my question please? Why does the change in football over the last 20 years mean you shouldn't play your best player? Maybe because no team revolves around one player. Maybe because you pick the team to suit the opposition, and that is best placed to win the match. Maybe because this might be the kind of game that you want to finish strongly with good players to choose from on the bench. Maybe because you see something in training every day that influences your decision. Maybe because you want to keep players as fresh as you can throughout the season. Other than that, I don't honestly know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 No I don't, where have I said that? Don't put words in my mouth. Can you answer my question please? Why does the change in football over the last 20 years mean you shouldn't play your best player? Is there anyone else on this entire forum of thousands of people who would have Subbed lambert v Manchester United Subbed lambert v Fulham Had him on the bench for arsenal Had him on the bench today Really? Come on. And that's not bringing into account the lallana subs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 No I don't, where have I said that? Don't put words in my mouth. Can you answer my question please? Why does the change in football over the last 20 years mean you shouldn't play your best player? Football, not ever, not in the last 20 years, has been about one single player. Never did one player make eleven, never did one player make a team. And you have made it very clear that not starting with Rickie has lost us the game, as you have said the only reason we could win would be luck since this decision was made. Stop squirming out of it, have the balls to stand by your own opinion at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Maybe because no team revolves around one player. Maybe because you pick the team to suit the opposition, and that is best placed to win the match. Maybe because this might be the kind of game that you want to finish strongly with good players to choose from on the bench. Maybe because you see something in training every day that influences your decision. Maybe because you want to keep players as fresh as you can throughout the season. Other than that, I don't honestly know Why has this changed in the last 20 years though? And you say no team revolves around one player. Have you seen our record whilst not player Lambert in the last few years? It's shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Timmier Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 No I don't, where have I said that? Don't put words in my mouth. You've started a thread entitled "Rickie on the bench? **** it, I've had enough, Adkins out." Kind of implies, as RobM has pointed out, that you think that the only way we can win is with Rickie starting. Doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Why has this changed in the last 20 years though? And you say no team revolves around one player. Have you seen our record whilst not player Lambert in the last few years? It's shocking. It hasn't, it's always been that way. That's the point you're failing to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 What do you mean, "if" this was an Adkins selection? I guess you didn't read the post from the v man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Is there anyone else on this entire forum of thousands of people who would have Subbed lambert v Manchester United Subbed lambert v Fulham Had him on the bench for arsenal Had him on the bench today Really? Come on. And that's not bringing into account the lallana subs Sorry I meant city no arsenal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Football, not ever, not in the last 20 years, has been about one single player. Never did one player make eleven, never did one player make a team. And you have made it very clear that not starting with Rickie has lost us the game, as you have said the only reason we could win would be luck since this decision was made. Stop squirming out of it, have the balls to stand by your own opinion at least. I think we will get a point today. But the best way to get a result is to play your best players, and Lambert is our best player. On another note, if you're going to keep putting words in my mouth then I'd prefer you go to another thread. I am still trying to work out how this makes Adkins and Branfoots decisions different? I do. Do you remember how football has changed a lot over the years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 October, 2012 It hasn't, it's always been that way. That's the point you're failing to understand. Then why did you say the following? What was your point? I do. Do you remember how football has changed a lot over the years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 October, 2012 You've started a thread entitled "Rickie on the bench? **** it, I've had enough, Adkins out." Kind of implies, as RobM has pointed out, that you think that the only way we can win is with Rickie starting. Doesn't it? No, it means our best chance of winning is with Lambert in the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge_B Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 No, it means our best chance of winning is with Lambert in the side. That's your opinion. You're entitled to it. Nigel's opinion is that we don't. I side with Nigel, I think he and the club deserve my support. That's my opinion, I'm entitled to it. I'm also of the opinion that more people side with Nigel's opinion than the one you have put forward. Opinions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 October, 2012 That's your opinion. You're entitled to it. Nigel's opinion is that we don't. I side with Nigel, I think he and the club deserve my support. That's my opinion, I'm entitled to it. I'm also of the opinion that more people side with Nigel's opinion than the one you have put forward. Opinions Don't disagree with that. However, if you polled most posters on this site then I think more people would start Lambert and you'd be in the minority. Not a glowing endorsement I agree, but a good cross-section of Saints fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Then why did you say the following? What was your point? Because your opinion is clearly starting with Rickie is our only way to win. You refer to Branfoot not starting MLT as proof that this is correct. My opinion is football has never been about one player only, but over the years tactical awareness and tactical flexibility - between games and within a single game - is more important than simply 'Rickie is best, play him'. This has changed a lot over the years, no longer can one team just play one style. Good teams have to switch the way they play to match the opposition and counter their strengths. Not starting with Rickie allowed NA to play in a way he believes will win the game and so far, from what I'm watching at least, it's proving a good decision as we look very good. The reason you don't understand this is the same reason you think we can only win with Rickie, the same reason you'll no doubt be shouting 'I told you so' over this forum if we don't win and the same reason you don't understand anybody else's opinion unless it's drawn out in front of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 rob,,, clearly he means that we have a better % of winning if lambert is playing...we have not lost any part of the game when he has been on the pitch and scored this season... but carrying on picking him up on a technicality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 rob,,, clearly he means that we have a better % of winning if lambert is playing...we have not lost any part of the game when he has been on the pitch and scored this season... but carrying on picking him up on a technicality I don't think it's a technicality, it's my entire point - you cannot pre-determine that Adkins should be sacked and we will lose this game (except for luck) based on one single players selection. That's not a technicality, that's the entire point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I don't think it's a technicality, it's my entire point - you cannot pre-determine that Adkins should be sacked and we will lose this game (except for luck) based on one single players selection. That's not a technicality, that's the entire point. I thought this was a message board...so everything is an opinion..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I thought this was a message board...so everything is an opinion..? That's correct, hence debate, two or more people going back-and-forth with their opposing views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Because your opinion is clearly starting with Rickie is our only way to win. You refer to Branfoot not starting MLT as proof that this is correct. My opinion is football has never been about one player only, but over the years tactical awareness and tactical flexibility - between games and within a single game - is more important than simply 'Rickie is best, play him'. This has changed a lot over the years, no longer can one team just play one style. Good teams have to switch the way they play to match the opposition and counter their strengths. Not starting with Rickie allowed NA to play in a way he believes will win the game and so far, from what I'm watching at least, it's proving a good decision as we look very good. The reason you don't understand this is the same reason you think we can only win with Rickie, the same reason you'll no doubt be shouting 'I told you so' over this forum if we don't win and the same reason you don't understand anybody else's opinion unless it's drawn out in front of you. Wow, you've made a lot off incorrect assumptions all in one reply. It's not about me not understanding anymore I can see. "Because your opinion is clearly starting with Rickie is our only way to win. You refer to Branfoot not starting MLT as proof that this is correct." No I didn't, because we beat Newcastle in that game when MLT was benched. However, it does not mean that was the correct decision, does it? Again, you're putting words in my mouth. If that's all you can do I suggest you go to another thread. I am saying that our best chance to win the game is by playing our best player, and I firmly believe this. Obviously you don't. "Good teams have to switch the way they play to match the opposition and counter their strengths." Good teams don't have to switch the way they play. Good teams make their opposition switch the way they play. "The reason you don't understand this is the same reason you think we can only win with Rickie, the same reason you'll no doubt be shouting 'I told you so' over this forum if we don't win and the same reason you don't understand anybody else's opinion unless it's drawn out in front of you." I do understand other peoples opinions, but I don't agree with them in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I don't think it's a technicality, it's my entire point - you cannot pre-determine that Adkins should be sacked and we will lose this game (except for luck) based on one single players selection. That's not a technicality, that's the entire point. Again, I didn't say we'd lose. BUT THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT THE CORRECT DECISION. Why don't you understand this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I don't disagree that Rickie is our best forward, but if Adkins has worked out from scouting feedback and other research of WHam that playing a certain way will give us the best chance of winning, but that way doesn't involve Rickie, should you still play him? Should you go against that belief and play Rickie and base your tactics and style around him, if that goes against the advice and research of WHam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 A baffling team selection. Can only assume Fox and Richardson are injured as Yoshida showed against Fulham he isn't a full back. Guly in for Lambert is a strange one. Looks like a panic selection to me and our bungled transfer window seems to be coming back to haunt us. I hope it works for Adkins. He's put all his money on red today, and black has come up. F**k tactics, you play your best players. Dead man walking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 The man is completely out of his depth. Tactically he's proving to be a complete nightmare. Thanks, Nigel but your time is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 The man is completely out of his depth. Tactically he's proving to be a complete nightmare. Thanks, Nigel but your time is up. THIS. Im sorry but i only credit nigel for last season his 1st season, was from all the hardwork pards put in to the squad, his love for guly and fox has cost him, we need a new manager LB and CB and were be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made in Southampton Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Sorry but after today Nigel has to go. It just hasn't happened. I'm sure he has a game plan but it feels that there isn't a plan b. out of his depth tactically with a weak back four and poor transfers. Even if the players aren't good enough it always starts with those in charge. I fully expect him to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCholulaKid Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 The man is completely out of his depth. Tactically he's proving to be a complete nightmare. Thanks, Nigel but your time is up. Yeah, thanks Nige - you useless ****. Thanks for the back-to-back promotions and exciting balls-out attacking football. Thanks for giving plenty of Saints fans some of their best memories for the last 30 years. Thanks for making us proud to be Saints fans again. Because despite all that and the fact we've had the hardest start out of all teams in the division and we're not even in the relegation zone seemingly you deserve the sack. Yeah, sorry Nige our resident lily-livered short termist cretins have decided you haven't got a ****ing clue. Therefore you need to go. Loyalty always was an old fashioned value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 20 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Well, he's got to go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCholulaKid Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Of course he does......Jesus. We got promoted a year ahead of schedule. What the **** did people expect? The amount of goals we're conceding is alarming, no denying that. But we're 17th - that's what most of us would have accepted/expected when the fixture list was released. People need to grow some balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Of course he does......Jesus. We got promoted a year ahead of schedule. What the **** did people expect? The amount of goals we're conceding is alarming, no denying that. But we're 17th - that's what most of us would have accepted/expected when the fixture list was released. People need to grow some balls. But we won't stay 17th if we carry on like that. We'll be relegated by Feburary. I think we've all got some fair balls as a fan base, but when you see the same mistakes, every.single.week, it gets to a point where you can't be arsed to reason it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Yeah, thanks Nige - you useless ****. Thanks for the back-to-back promotions and exciting balls-out attacking football. Thanks for giving plenty of Saints fans some of their best memories for the last 30 years. Thanks for making us proud to be Saints fans again. Because despite all that and the fact we've had the hardest start out of all teams in the division and we're not even in the relegation zone seemingly you deserve the sack. Yeah, sorry Nige our resident lily-livered short termist cretins have decided you haven't got a ****ing clue. Therefore you need to go. Loyalty always was an old fashioned value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Of course he does......Jesus. We got promoted a year ahead of schedule. What the **** did people expect? The amount of goals we're conceding is alarming, no denying that. But we're 17th - that's what most of us would have accepted/expected when the fixture list was released. People need to grow some balls. we are in the bottom 3.....and others still have a game in hand. how can you be promoted ahead of schedule when you brushed most of the division aside last season and spent every second of it in the top 2....that is not ahead of schedule.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Is there anyone else on this entire forum of thousands of people who would have Subbed lambert v Manchester United Subbed lambert v Fulham Had him on the bench for arsenal Had him on the bench today Really? Come on. And that's not bringing into account the lallana subs Not if you have a brain.. its the equivalent of messi/Ronaldo being on the bench... Lambert is our best player by a street.. NA is basically removing himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLY Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Not if you have a brain.. its the equivalent of messi/Ronaldo being on the bench... Lambert is our best player by a street.. NA is basically removing himself. I've just got back to Emsworth - Can't believe NA left SRL on the bench - He has brought so far but he has now lost the plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Adkins is a bloody idiot! Rickie is our best forward vso play him for crissakes!! Jayrod hasn't even scored for us in a league game so is no kind of replacement.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Of course he does......Jesus. We got promoted a year ahead of schedule. What the **** did people expect? The amount of goals we're conceding is alarming, no denying that. But we're 17th - that's what most of us would have accepted/expected when the fixture list was released. People need to grow some balls. Sorry you're living in dreamland! The goals we are conceding plus having no replacements aprt from Dan Seaborne or Frazer........... This is not what most of us would have expected!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 We got promoted a year ahead of schedule. What the **** did people expect? . No we didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 Lambert on the bench works, all west ham could do was stick 2/3 people on him and still look stupid. It's stupid to run him into the ground for 90 mins knowing we wont score. Play Lambert for 30 when we should score 2-3 is much more sensible. Shame the rest of the team haven't a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan17 Posted 20 October, 2012 Share Posted 20 October, 2012 I guess you didn't read the post from the v man Hypo, I also missed thevman post but could you point me in the right direction? Would be interested to see what he said.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Trubble Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 I can't believe that DPS is coming in for so much stick over this thread. It makes no sense to leave out RL; it's suicide. I think NA is trying to think outside the box too much with his team selections when he should just be keeping it simple. Don't try and be too smart Nigel, playing your best players is a very straightforward ideology and bests complex and clumsy formations most weekends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 I hear Lambert and Adkins had words after the Fulham game. Lambert very unhappy at where he was playing and being substituted for Do Prado. I think yesterday's decision to leave him on the bench was political. Every WHU fan I met afterwards could not fathom why we left him on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 I hear Lambert and Adkins had words after the Fulham game. Lambert very unhappy at where he was playing and being substituted for Do Prado. I think yesterday's decision to leave him on the bench was political. Every WHU fan I met afterwards could not fathom why we left him on the bench. It gave WHU a psychological boost before the game even started. Fat Sam must have been delighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Proper had enough now. I'd have thought most of us knew what to expect at Upton Park after last seasons two games v. Wham..and we played well enough in the first half to contain them and to warrant that (Rickie bench) decision. Jay Rod got his start up front that he (and a lot on this site) had been screaming for .and apart fronm those crazy two minutes after HT ....introducing Rickie at 60 mins. would have been a good tactic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Lambert on the bench works, all west ham could do was stick 2/3 people on him and still look stupid. It's stupid to run him into the ground for 90 mins knowing we wont score. Play Lambert for 30 when we should score 2-3 is much more sensible. Shame the rest of the team haven't a clue. Don't play Lambert because we "know won't score"? Against West Ham United? What? Lambert is our best player, bar none. Relegating him to a walk-on part and nothing more than an Ole Gunnar Solksjear super sub is effing retarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Lambert on the bench works, all west ham could do was stick 2/3 people on him and still look stupid. It's stupid to run him into the ground for 90 mins knowing we wont score. Play Lambert for 30 when we should score 2-3 is much more sensible. Shame the rest of the team haven't a clue. sorry, but what?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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