Scotland and Nato

[alpine_saint]

It is dangerous to use forums like this as a guide to overall public opinion, but there does seem to be a feeling in England (no idea about N.Ireland or Wales) that we'd quite happily do without the Scots. "Sod 'em then"

 

Seems to me there is a real possibility that the Scots will vote to stay in the union, but that if the rest of the UK were allowed to vote too, they'd be thrown out anyway!

 

I think you are spot on with this. I think you'll find there are poll results to support Englands wish to see the Scots gone too.

[alpine_saint]

well if Luxembourg can be a member with any army of 900 and no navy or airforce I'm sure a battalion of scots would be some use.

 

Luxembourg is situated in the middle of a potential Cold-War battle on the plains of Europe. Therefore having agreement and understanding about the use of its territory is more important than force contribution.

 

Scotland is not in mainland Europe, its an island off the coast. Therefore, in another way Scotland is bloody useless as well.

[PhilippineSaint]

Luxembourg is situated in the middle of a potential Cold-War battle on the plains of Europe. Therefore having agreement and understanding about the use of its territory is more important than force contribution.

 

Scotland is not in mainland Europe, its an island off the coast. Therefore, in another way Scotland is bloody useless as well.

 

But it is in the North Atlantic so does have some relevance.

[alpine_saint]

But it is in the North Atlantic so does have some relevance.

 

Depending on where you perceive future threats.

 

I would suggest that isnt in the North Atlantic, though one should always watch the Russkies a bit.

[Thedelldays]

But it is in the North Atlantic so does have some relevance.

 

You can monitor the North Atlantic from any where in the world

 

If you want to mobilise a naval unit against an out of area Russian, very rarely does that unit sail from, let alone come from Scotland

 

Now that Kinloss has no nimrods. Can't really see the point other than HMS Neptune is already there with the nuclear deterrent

[PhilippineSaint]

You can monitor the North Atlantic from any where in the world

 

If you want to mobilise a naval unit against an out of area Russian, very rarely does that unit sail from, let alone come from Scotland

 

Now that Kinloss has no nimrods. Can't really see the point other than HMS Neptune is already there with the nuclear deterrent

 

I did say that Scotland was in the North atlantic. This does not have any bearing on which part of the world that NATO (North Atlantic treaty Organisation) is looking at to defend but as part of the North Atlantic should at least be eligible to join even if the could effectively do bugger all. In name they would have more rights than Bulgaria or Slovakia that dont have an Atlantic coastline

or Austria if they ever became a member.

[alpine_saint]

I did say that Scotland was in the North atlantic. This does not have any bearing on which part of the world that NATO (North Atlantic treaty Organisation) is looking at to defend but as part of the North Atlantic should at least be eligible to join even if the could effectively do bugger all. In name they would have more rights than Bulgaria or Slovakia that dont have an Atlantic coastline

or Austria if they ever became a member.

 

No chance of that whatsoever.

 

You would not beleive the political punch-up that occurred over something as simple as when the Bundesheer realised they couldnt dogfight Typhoons with cannons and announced they wanted to buy air-to-air missiles. Offensive weapon apparently (although the rest of the military world recognises air combat is normally to DEFEND ones territory).

 

And the decision to buy Typhoons still causes massive arguments in the gasthäuse and cafes.

[doddisalegend]

Luxembourg is situated in the middle of a potential Cold-War battle on the plains of Europe. Therefore having agreement and understanding about the use of its territory is more important than force contribution.

 

Scotland is not in mainland Europe, its an island off the coast. Therefore, in another way Scotland is bloody useless as well.

 

err don't you mean was? or are you expecting the Soviet hordes to come pouring across Europe any day now? NATOs orginal purpose no longer exsists so I hardly see why Scotland shouldn't be a memember if they wanted to. They would have every right to throw away the lives of their young men in some middle eastern **** hole as much as the rest of NATO.

[alpine_saint]

err don't you mean was? or are you expecting the Soviet hordes to come pouring across Europe any day now? NATOs orginal purpose no longer exsists so I hardly see why Scotland shouldn't be a memember if they wanted to. They would have every right to throw away the lives of their young men in some middle eastern **** hole as much as the rest of NATO.

 

Has Luxembourg been moved ?

 

Scotland cant be a member because they will not agree to all aspects of the NATO charter.

 

Even the French realised in 1966 that wouldnt work.

[doddisalegend]

Has Luxembourg been moved ?

Scotland cant be a member because they will not agree to all aspects of the NATO charter.

 

Even the French realised in 1966 that wouldnt work.

 

err no but you might have noticed the cold war has ended...or are you still looking for reds under the bed? Today Luxemberoug is no more relevant to NATO than Scotland.

 

Look at NATOs actually combat deployments to date

 

The Balkans

Libya

Afghanstain

Iraq

 

Hardly matters if you are a main land European country or not does it?

[alpine_saint]

err no but you might have noticed the cold war has ended...or are you still looking for reds under the bed? Today Luxemberoug is no more relevant to NATO than Scotland.

 

Look at NATOs actually combat deployments to date

 

The Balkans

Libya

Afghanstain

Iraq

 

Hardly matters if you are a main land European country or not does it?

 

And Pie Face was against all of them

 

Really going to be a useful addition to the Alliance.....