Le Tissier: "Cortese is not a nice human being"

[The Kraken]

I'm imagining this article is not going down with the fanbase quite as well as Simon Peach intended.......

[Mr Saints]

Unless Matt reveals the reasons why he doesn't like Cortese then this a pointless article.

 

We know they don't get on. Next.

[adrian lord]

Presumably MLT doesn't say specifics for fear of being sued for slander/defamation/libel.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Dangerous territory for me but here goes.

Simon Peach - imo is a good journalist, an informative tweeter and someone whose opinion I have come to respect. We like it when he tells us "nice" things (Ramirez signing) but not when he tells us "uncomfortable" things, For Christ sake give the guy a break - he just reports what he hears. That is his job.

MLT - a straight, honest guy who gave this club plenty and much much more besides. A big fan who loves this club and does so much for charity etc etc etc. He does not like NC. Fair enough he is entitled to his opinion.

NC - I have never met him so I can't comment on his personal qualities or personality, I have heard plenty of rumours but he has never done me any harm and has allowed me the privilege of keeping "official historian" status so personally I have no complaints. He has more than delivered in terms of where this club is now compared to where we were when he took over. But he is not God and if Matt wants to criticise and Simon wants to report it, let's just accept that and let's not shoot the messenger or his source. Life is full of people who do not get on the trouble is people on this forum turn every development into a contest of who is right and who is wrong.

[Wilko]

Just flicked through this and wish I hadn't bothered.

 

It can be summed up as: "I'm an angry football fan and I hate everything."

 

Writing a story about a club chairman being criticised by that club's best ever player seems like perfectly reasonable journalism to me. I'm not sure it's a story that has been 'done to death' as others on here have implied, and re-visiting it in the wake of promotion to the top division isn't lazy reporting, it's informative.

 

Furthermore, for those who are slagging off MLT, you should remember that he will always be a Saints legend. Cortese, on the other hand, is merely a bloke doing a job until something else comes along, or the club goes down the ****ter again and he's forced out.

[Wilko]

Presumably MLT doesn't say specifics for fear of being sued for slander/defamation/libel.

 

It would be the publisher who got sued as a result of publishing the article, not MLT.

 

If MLT stood about in a bar shouting his mouth off about Cortese, he might be sued.

[Stepgar]

Dangerous territory for me but here goes.

Simon Peach - imo is a good journalist, an informative tweeter and someone whose opinion I have come to respect. We like it when he tells us "nice" things (Ramirez signing) but not when he tells us "uncomfortable" things, For Christ sake give the guy a break - he just reports what he hears. That is his job.

MLT - a straight, honest guy who gave this club plenty and much much more besides. A big fan who loves this club and does so much for charity etc etc etc. He does not like NC. Fair enough he is entitled to his opinion.

NC - I have never met him so I can't comment on his personal qualities or personality, I have heard plenty of rumours but he has never done me any harm and has allowed me the privilege of keeping "official historian" status so personally I have no complaints. He has more than delivered in terms of where this club is now compared to where we were when he took over. But he is not God and if Matt wants to criticise and Simon wants to report it, let's just accept that and let's not shoot the messenger or his source. Life is full of people who do not get on the trouble is people on this forum turn every development into a contest of who is right and who is wrong.

 

Agree with this completely. Top post .

[norwaysaint]

Dangerous territory for me but here goes.

Simon Peach - imo is a good journalist, an informative tweeter and someone whose opinion I have come to respect. We like it when he tells us "nice" things (Ramirez signing) but not when he tells us "uncomfortable" things, For Christ sake give the guy a break - he just reports what he hears. That is his job.

MLT - a straight, honest guy who gave this club plenty and much much more besides. A big fan who loves this club and does so much for charity etc etc etc. He does not like NC. Fair enough he is entitled to his opinion.

NC - I have never met him so I can't comment on his personal qualities or personality, I have heard plenty of rumours but he has never done me any harm and has allowed me the privilege of keeping "official historian" status so personally I have no complaints. He has more than delivered in terms of where this club is now compared to where we were when he took over. But he is not God and if Matt wants to criticise and Simon wants to report it, let's just accept that and let's not shoot the messenger or his source. Life is full of people who do not get on the trouble is people on this forum turn every development into a contest of who is right and who is wrong.

 

You seem to have managed to completely miss why so many people are unimpressed by this.

 

Nobody thinks it's bad that he is reporting something negative, people want to hear the negative news as well as the positive news. People also do not mind criticism of Cortese, nobody is above criticism.

 

What irritates a lot of people is that all we keep getting are snide and unsubstantiated comments about Cortese from people who then get a bit annoyed that we don't all just swallow them. MLT has been making comments about Cortese that aren't much different to this since not long after the takeover, so we already know how he feels. That's not news. There's no need to announce it like it's news unless you have managed to successfully nail down a specific reason to be negative about him. I'm open minded either way, but so far the only concrete stuff is in the positive corner and the only negative stuff is rumour and innuendo. Most of us are worldly enough to have learned that you shouldn't listen to that kind of thing until it can be substantiated and you certainly can't base an opinion on it. It doesn't matter how many times somebody makes comments like, "I've heard bad things about Cortese" or "I know somebody who works at the club and I could tell you some unpleasant truths about him". That stuff is meaningless at the end of the day.

 

It's also silly to say that Peach "tried" to shed light on it. Trying to shed light on it isn't just getting a re-wording of MLT's negative opinion, it's getting MLT to back up why he's saying this sort of thing. If Peach failed to ask or get an answer to that, h has failed to get the story and needs to hold back until he's got one.

 

It's the fact that this is just a re-hashing of what we've already heard without backing it up at all that's annoyed people. We'd be fine if he'd actually told us something, negative or positive.

[ToreSF]

Simon Peach is a bad journalist and shouldn't have written the story - don't agree.

Le Tissier shouldn't accuse Cortese of not being a nice person without telling why - agree.

Cortese should be more available for the media - agree.

[derry]

Dangerous territory for me but here goes.

Simon Peach - imo is a good journalist, an informative tweeter and someone whose opinion I have come to respect. We like it when he tells us "nice" things (Ramirez signing) but not when he tells us "uncomfortable" things, For Christ sake give the guy a break - he just reports what he hears. That is his job.

MLT - a straight, honest guy who gave this club plenty and much much more besides. A big fan who loves this club and does so much for charity etc etc etc. He does not like NC. Fair enough he is entitled to his opinion.

NC - I have never met him so I can't comment on his personal qualities or personality, I have heard plenty of rumours but he has never done me any harm and has allowed me the privilege of keeping "official historian" status so personally I have no complaints. He has more than delivered in terms of where this club is now compared to where we were when he took over. But he is not God and if Matt wants to criticise and Simon wants to report it, let's just accept that and let's not shoot the messenger or his source. Life is full of people who do not get on the trouble is people on this forum turn every development into a contest of who is right and who is wrong.

 

Isn't that a fact!

[Sour Mash]

Dangerous territory for me but here goes.

Simon Peach - imo is a good journalist, an informative tweeter and someone whose opinion I have come to respect. We like it when he tells us "nice" things (Ramirez signing) but not when he tells us "uncomfortable" things, For Christ sake give the guy a break - he just reports what he hears. That is his job.

MLT - a straight, honest guy who gave this club plenty and much much more besides. A big fan who loves this club and does so much for charity etc etc etc. He does not like NC. Fair enough he is entitled to his opinion.

NC - I have never met him so I can't comment on his personal qualities or personality, I have heard plenty of rumours but he has never done me any harm and has allowed me the privilege of keeping "official historian" status so personally I have no complaints. He has more than delivered in terms of where this club is now compared to where we were when he took over. But he is not God and if Matt wants to criticise and Simon wants to report it, let's just accept that and let's not shoot the messenger or his source. Life is full of people who do not get on the trouble is people on this forum turn every development into a contest of who is right and who is wrong.

Top post! Some of the comments on this thread about Saints greatest legend and an enthusiastic, young Saints supporting journalist are pathetic. Given the choice I'd certainly rather Tiss hadn't come out with what he has, no-one does, but I think some on here need to take a step back and look at what they're saying.

[Dig Dig]

Utter sh*t stirring boll*cks. Says nothing new, noting we didn't know just people trying to get stories. Wouldnt surprise me if this was a plant as peach is up sibleys arse all the time. Show an ex player on bad light to get the fans taking about something else than our dodgy transfer window, loan and training ground issues.

 

Id rather a PM from you but unfortunately I'll never be in the Turkish e-friend circle of trust : (

[Sour Mash]

Its because peach is a talentless, opportunistic hack who's banking on the fact that outside the saints community, the tiss/cortese isn't common knowledge or a f**ked horse that's been flogged to death. So an unevidenced, unsubstantiated quote is still worth a few throwaway lines' press coverage. Hope scraping for pennies works out for Peach - alternatively he might think about alternative employment or leaving journalism to professionals.

You sound like a very bitter failed journalist. Just saying.

[ToreSF]

Matt wrote on twitter that people should rather ask why Nicola detest him, Benali and Lawrie Mac, but he deleted that tweet it seems.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

To be fair, perhaps we should give Simon a chance to explain what this story adds to the feud.

 

So Simon, here is your platform.

[ToreSF]

Le Tiss tweeted that Saints fans should ask themselves this, so I'm passing the question over to you.

[sadoldgit]

If it was Lowe instead of Cortese this would be a very different thread. Ever thought that perhaps there is something in what Matt is saying or is the new Chairman beyond reproach?

[Dr Who?]

Big names in Southampton? No idea.

[Huffton]

You don't become such a successful business man by being a nice person, successful businessmen/women are by and large, ****s.

Cortese for me fits perfectly into this stereotype, he's not in a popularity contest, he wants his club to be a success, and if that means doing it his way or the highway then so be it. Its fairly obvious history means little to him. As fans we can either try and put all the bull**** to one side ans support the team on the pitch, and thus the club as a whole, or we can do something else with our saturday afternoons. I love MLT as much as the next Saint but I wish he would drop this as for me he is making himself look very bitter and silly.

[sadoldgit]

Didn't he rent a house from Benali then refuse to pay the rent because of something not being right with the property? Ended up going to court I think.

[Huffton]

If it was Lowe instead of Cortese this would be a very different thread. Ever thought that perhaps there is something in what Matt is saying or is the new Chairman beyond reproach?

 

But cortese hasnt taken us down, sold all our best players, employed a saggy faced waster, employed a load of other no-hopers, buggered off, come back and sacked a bloody good manager, taken us into admin etc etc.

[norwaysaint]

If it was Lowe instead of Cortese this would be a very different thread. Ever thought that perhaps there is something in what Matt is saying or is the new Chairman beyond reproach?

 

 

This is a silly post. Everybody thinks there could be something in it. Nobody thinks Cortese is beyond criticism. But just restating that MLT doesn't like Cortese isn't a news story. People want to hear a good reason why before they can be expected to take any meaning from this. To be honest that point's been made pretty consistently throughout this thread.

 

We don't want more unsubstantiated rumour and innuendo, we want to know what this opinion is based on or it's utterly meaningless.

 

If I kept tweeting that you were a paedophile, that wouldn't become news until I actually explained why I thought so. If I just kept saying it, after a while people would tell me to either stop saying it or back it up. It certainly wouldn't be shedding light on anything or something everybody should be taking seriously.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

But cortese hasnt taken us down, sold all our best players, employed a saggy faced waster, employed a load of other no-hopers, buggered off, come back and sacked a bloody good manager, taken us into admin etc etc.

 

Why do people still persist with the fallacy that Pearson is a good manager?

[kwsaint]

how can anyone hate benali? if i was a woman i would definately have him as my guilty pleasure

[Huffton]

Why do people still persist with the fallacy that Pearson is a good manager?

 

Compared with the Dutch duo?

[Dig Dig]

how can anyone hate benali? if i was a woman i would definately have him as my guilty pleasure

 

Gay post of the year nomination

[Guan 2.0]

I'm just hoping that Matt is silently sitting in his chair on saturday with a look of mirth on his face as once more, Jeff Stelling launches an attack against Cortese on his behalf, including:

 

 

• Peeing with the door open
  
  
• Not holding a lift
  
• Being a bad man
  

 

Those are always good.

 

"Now then, now then, let me tell you about a very bad man"

 

Seriously, if he has something worthwhile to say, he should just say it. If he is hiding behind the shield of 'not wanting to damage the Cortese/ the club/ whatever' that is nonsense, as every negative report gives off a bad impression, so at least give it substance if you are going to criticise, and not just continue to insinuate that Cortsese is an Alien from They Live.

 

"Be sure to eat the program sellers after firing them"

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Compared with the Dutch duo?

 

That's not what you said. And Redknapp for all his faults is a better manager.

[Guan 2.0]

[h=2]Why does Cortese detests Le Tissier, Benali and Lawrie Mac?[/h]Le Tiss tweeted that Saints fans should ask themselves this, so I'm passing the question over to you.

 

They badmouth him in the press? They jumped in the bath and made the bubbles laugh? Who knows?

[Colinjb]

Why do people still persist with the fallacy that Pearson is a good manager?

 

I have to bite.

 

Which of these is better then Nigel Pearson?

 

Burley

Dodd/Gorman

Poortvliet

Wotte

 

?

[hypochondriac]

Didn't he rent a house from Benali then refuse to pay the rent because of something not being right with the property? Ended up going to court I think.

 

I heard two things. Either he ripped all the floors up or he refused to pay the rent as the swimming pool was not working. Either is amusing.

[whizzpop]

I have to bite.

 

Which of these is better then Nigel Pearson?

 

Burley

Dodd/Gorman

Poortvliet

Wotte

 

?

 

Probably George Burley at a push - purely for achieving what he did at Ipswich. Didn't do too badly with Derby or Saints initially (albeit spending 7m) and getting us into trouble. Whereas Pearson still has to manage in the Premier League full time.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I have to bite.

 

Which of these is better then Nigel Pearson?

 

Burley

Dodd/Gorman

Poortvliet

Wotte

 

?

 

None of them (maybe Burley was at one point). That doesn't make Pearson a 'bloody good manager' though does it? Or does it?

[oldskoolsi]

if Matt is now saying we should ask why does NC hate him, I would ask Le Tiss, what has NC done to make him think he hates Matt? As far as I can see all his actions have been against all ex-players and not against particular people. It was his policy no to have freebees not matter who you are. I'm happy to be proved wrong though.

[Colinjb]

None of them (maybe Burley was at one point). That doesn't make Pearson a 'bloody good manager' though does it? Or does it?

 

It makes him better then we had suffered for a very long time. A man who is comfortably capable of managing at Championship level, sacking him was a terrible error. In context, he was a bloody good manager for us.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

To be fair, perhaps we should give Simon a chance to explain what this story adds to the feud.

 

So Simon, here is your platform.

 

He's a journalist, it's his job to get clicks on a website, which he has no doubt achieved. It's not specifically his job to worry about whether the story added to your understanding of the club, though he no doubt would include more detail if he had it.

[Roger]

Come on Roger, still sticking up for him even though he's turned into a bulb?

 

Get a life you muppet. I love Matt le tiss. I won't criticise him.

[Roger]

Why do people still persist with the fallacy that Pearson is a good manager?

 

He's a bloody good manager.

[Ian the Red]

Well that's wasted a few minutes reading this s@@@! Obviously Matt has a problem with NC! Nothing new there and probably something to do with the NC and Benali house problem. MLT is a god but he needs to sort out his problem.

Edited 17 October, 2012 by Ian the Red

[Chez]

Mr Peach, any chance you could find out how much Cortese/SFC has loaned from Vibrac Corp, the terms of the loan and the reason why we've gone that route five minutes after our debt was cleared by the owners and ten minutes after Cortese said football clubs should not be spending future income?

 

This is what journalists should be getting to the bottom of IMO. Hope you have more luck than I have getting Sibley to reveal anything.

[Turkish]

I have to bite.

 

Which of these is better then Nigel Pearson?

 

Burley

Dodd/Gorman

Poortvliet

Wotte

 

?

 

Would it be fair to say that we've had a number of rubbish managers. Pearson being the best out of that list is like being the slimmest person at weight watchers.

[JackFrost]

Does MLT not read the news?

 

You don't become a banker as successful as Cortese by being a nice person. Bankers/entrepreneurs/politicians etc. all have arrogance and certainly aren't afraid to upset people. I certainly wasn't when I had to when I was a D.I. (unless I was chatting to the Super)

 

MLT was and always will be a legend for us when it came to the football pitch but the constant snipes at Cortese are tainting his legacy. We've gone up 2 divisions under Cortese so he's doing something right.

 

MLT really needs to just put up or shut up, and move on.

[Colinjb]

Does MLT not read the news?

 

You don't become a banker as successful as Cortese by being a nice person. Bankers/entrepreneurs/politicians etc. all have arrogance and certainly aren't afraid to upset people. I certainly wasn't when I had to when I was a D.I. (unless I was chatting to the Super)

 

MLT was and always will be a legend for us when it came to the football pitch but the constant snipes at Cortese are tainting his legacy. We've gone up 2 divisions under Cortese so he's doing something right.

 

MLT really needs to just put up or shut up, and move on.

 

Sadly, the continuing importance of how nice someone is to Le God just demonstrates that he would have been a terrible chairman. He is too sensitive to have suceeded.

[charliemiller]

This is the issue between MLT and Cortese. Cortese said MLT was wrong to keep fronting the bid. MLT still believes what he did was correct (at the book signing a few years back anyway). I just can't see the credibility in any of this after Micky Falka emerged from the back of the sofa with a 5p coin. It would be interesting to ask Matt if he still believes what he did was right but I doubt I will ask that question again.

 

MLT didnt start a hate campaign against ML bid thats not a fair comment ! he did however refuse to withdraw and leave the way clear .........and he does regret the episode.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

You seem to have managed to completely miss why so many people are unimpressed by this.

 

Nobody thinks it's bad that he is reporting something negative, people want to hear the negative news as well as the positive news. People also do not mind criticism of Cortese, nobody is above criticism.

 

What irritates a lot of people is that all we keep getting are snide and unsubstantiated comments about Cortese from people who then get a bit annoyed that we don't all just swallow them. MLT has been making comments about Cortese that aren't much different to this since not long after the takeover, so we already know how he feels. That's not news. There's no need to announce it like it's news unless you have managed to successfully nail down a specific reason to be negative about him. I'm open minded either way, but so far the only concrete stuff is in the positive corner and the only negative stuff is rumour and innuendo. Most of us are worldly enough to have learned that you shouldn't listen to that kind of thing until it can be substantiated and you certainly can't base an opinion on it. It doesn't matter how many times somebody makes comments like, "I've heard bad things about Cortese" or "I know somebody who works at the club and I could tell you some unpleasant truths about him". That stuff is meaningless at the end of the day.

 

 

 

 

It's also silly to say that Peach "tried" to shed light on it. Trying to shed light on it isn't just getting a re-wording of MLT's negative opinion, it's getting MLT to back up why he's saying this sort of thing. If Peach failed to ask or get an answer to that, h has failed to get the story and needs to hold back until he's got one.

 

It's the fact that this is just a re-hashing of what we've already heard without backing it up at all that's annoyed people. We'd be fine if he'd actually told us something, negative or positive.

 

Norway Saint - I understand where you are coming from and it is about time some of this was substantiated I agree, but I do think there are possibly legal reasons why certain people are not being more expansive. Over the years there have been plenty of times when I have been dying to post something but without proof etc etc I hesitate. I do think Matt should now put up or shut up and when I see him next I will tell him. He doesn't like NC, fair enough but if he is going to go public then he needs to back it up. Understand the reasoning behind your response.

[pap]

In lieu of any genuine facts, my working theory is that it is a falling out over a game of conkers in an unlicensed competition (where frowned upon practices such as "baking" or "vinegaring" are freely practiced).

 

Neither can go public on the details for fear of a lifetime ban from the World Conker Championships.

[Chez]

Le Tiss telling people that Cortese is a **** isn't tainting him in my eyes. Taking the **** out of fans with the gambling **** did though.

[Chopper71]

To clairfy, Matt was not whinging. I asked him about it as that is my job. The club's greatest player is at loggerheads with its chairman. It is a story and I would rather try to get the truth rather than rely on whispers and tweets.

 

The only story you have published is very old: Matt doesn't like Cortese. We all know that, so I'm sorry that is a poor show. I don't know either of them, but respect both except when it resorts to silly name calling without any facts to substantiate the claims, and makes the people who repeat these claims look childish.

[NickG]

You seem to have managed to completely miss why so many people are unimpressed by this.

 

Nobody thinks it's bad that he is reporting something negative, people want to hear the negative news as well as the positive news. People also do not mind criticism of Cortese, nobody is above criticism.

 

What irritates a lot of people is that all we keep getting are snide and unsubstantiated comments about Cortese from people who then get a bit annoyed that we don't all just swallow them. MLT has been making comments about Cortese that aren't much different to this since not long after the takeover, so we already know how he feels. That's not news. There's no need to announce it like it's news unless you have managed to successfully nail down a specific reason to be negative about him. I'm open minded either way, but so far the only concrete stuff is in the positive corner and the only negative stuff is rumour and innuendo. Most of us are worldly enough to have learned that you shouldn't listen to that kind of thing until it can be substantiated and you certainly can't base an opinion on it. It doesn't matter how many times somebody makes comments like, "I've heard bad things about Cortese" or "I know somebody who works at the club and I could tell you some unpleasant truths about him". That stuff is meaningless at the end of the day.

 

It's also silly to say that Peach "tried" to shed light on it. Trying to shed light on it isn't just getting a re-wording of MLT's negative opinion, it's getting MLT to back up why he's saying this sort of thing. If Peach failed to ask or get an answer to that, h has failed to get the story and needs to hold back until he's got one.

 

It's the fact that this is just a re-hashing of what we've already heard without backing it up at all that's annoyed people. We'd be fine if he'd actually told us something, negative or positive.

s

agree, he has missed the point.

 

i normally enjoy his reporting.

 

mlt is looking immature and lacking class.

 

whether cortese is likable is not a news story.

[Jonnyboy]

I heard Cortese had brought Jimmy Savile back to Benali's pad to enjoy cigars and fine wine. At some point in the evening a few drops were spilt on the carpet, sofa and curtains. There was also a funny smell that Franny couldnt get rid of the next day. Cortese's damage deposit cheque had bounced and he refused to buy some shake-and-vac or febreeze. To top it off he told Franny that his moustache looked sh$t, Le Tiss has a big conk and McMenemy smells of mothballs.