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Le Tissier: "Cortese is not a nice human being"

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Feck me if Arguing on line were an olympic event mate you'd be in the squad at least, not necessarily a medal contender but you'd get to take part - youd have to extract Hypo form the ring pice first though as am sure there would be rules about the doubles...

 

Anyway - you hav now asked a different question - do I back the chairman's decision? Different form 'do I agree with it or not'? Subtle but important diffrence as I am merely a fan so my opinion on it makes feck all difference to the success or otherwise of the club,

 

NO I would not have gotten rid of Adkins either now or even had we been relegated - as you all know that has always been my opinion and I stand by.

 

But I dont have to make it. NC did based on what I assume is a long term plan and he has his reasons. I dont know what they are so wont presume he did it becaus ehe is a cant or because he is imcompetent - because SO FAR his decsions have seenm us progress as a club, and I simply dont know him personally so cant judge whether he is a cant or not.

 

Not really different is it. Do you back/agree the chairmans decision to sack Adkins? Yes or no will do. I asked for your opinion, because this is what football forums are for arent they? You dont usually hold back in giving them.

 

so now we've established you dont agree with the decision to sack Adkins, what's your take on the treatment of him? The fact that despite 2 promotions and a five game unbeaten run he's been sacked. The new man knew he was getting the job weeks before he was appointed and rumours have been circulating for months about his position. do you believe that all these rumours were wrong, that there was no truth in them and those (myself for example) that were told they were wrong when discussing them. Or do you believe Adkins has been treated in the way a manager that you yourself have as desribed as having the potential to be like Alex Ferguson should be?

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I personally have always been of the opinion he is a vial evil little cretin. I have heard far to much to class it as just a coincidence or people just holding a grudge.

 

I honestly genuinely think he will destroy our club over time. The man is evil in my opinion simple as that. If you can find one person at st Mary's that actually likes the man you will be doing well.

 

 

The latest decision he has made is just another one to add to the list. And don't think for one minute there will not be more because there will.

 

Completely agree with that.

 

The first opportunity Cortese gets to get out with a nice pay off he will. He is only here for the money in my opinion.

 

Word has it that'll be sooner rather than later

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Why are you having a pop at others showing emotion then?

 

Not like you to be completely hypocrital. Except, of course, it is.

 

Showing emotion is not a bad thing. Showing the level of hatred over what is a decision that you dont agree with without knowing the reasons behind it is waht I am having a 'pop' at sweetie

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It is simple

 

 

You either think Cortese makes the right choices and is good for the club.

 

Or you think his judgment is poor and he is way out oh his depth.

 

 

 

 

Where were we when he took over, compared to where we are now?

 

If he's out of his depth, where on earth do you think we should be? ****ing hell, if we've done that well with a Chairman who is out of his depth, Imagine where we could be.

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Not really different is it. Do you back/agree the chairmans decision to sack Adkins? Yes or no will do. I asked for your opinion, because this is what football forums are for arent they? You dont usually hold back in giving them.

 

so now we've established you dont agree with the decision to sack Adkins, what's your take on the treatment of him? The fact that despite 2 promotions and a five game unbeaten run he's been sacked. The new man knew he was getting the job weeks before he was appointed and rumours have been circulating for months about his position. do you believe that all these rumours were wrong, that there was no truth in them and those (myself for example) that were told they were wrong when discussing them. Or do you believe Adkins has been treated in the way a manager that you yourself have as desribed as having the potential to be like Alex Ferguson should be?

 

Ok. The reason I would NOT have sacked him is precisely because of those reasons you suggest - he has achieved and If I were running the club I would want to see what he could achieve over a longer period of time.

 

BUT. I also acknowledge that I would come in for some pretty serious flack if were relegated under adkins and then kept him on as we drifted in mid table CCC, with the crowd baying for me or him to go... Fans are fickle like that. The voice is now in full flow criticising the lack of loyalty, yet fans are equally quick at looking for firing when its not going well. That IS football. I may not like it, you may not like it, but huffing and puffing and publically emoting like some dim wannabe on reality TV aint going to change it.

 

Secondly as 100% of thsoe posting on here, our knowledge of what was behind the decsion is limited, yet most seem perfectly happy to spout the bile and hatred without that knowledge. I am not.

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Oh do get off your friggen high horse - 'shameful' manner - you have no ecking idea how this was handled behind closed doors, but like everyone makes assumptions atht it must be shameful. I dont give a flying feck whether Cortse is a nice man or not - I will never meat him and so his personality has no baring on my life. He is employed to do what he thinks is best for the club. He has made his call - either a big mistake or a great move time will tell, that is all there is to it.

 

Nigel will have know about it, and will get pay off that will set him up for life and wont be out of work for long, nor having to starve or go without holidays - its hardly like the evil baron Cortese has suddenly made him destitute, yet the reaction on here would suggest otherwise from you self appointed holier than though 'ober fans' Jeez.... come back to reality

 

I think you are one of the guys always demanding 'hard evidence' for every comment made on here so where is the evidence that Nigel knew all about this amazing plan? Not just some whim from a passing comment made by Nigel at the end of an emotional day at the end of last season, you know, real evidence. I doubt Nigel thought he was working to some plan 22 games into the season that would see him replaced after a good run of results.

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Ok. The reason I would NOT have sacked him is precisely because of those reasons you suggest - he has achieved and If I were running the club I would want to see what he could achieve over a longer period of time.

 

BUT. I also acknowledge that I would come in for some pretty serious flack if were relegated under adkins and then kept him on as we drifted in mid table CCC, with the crowd baying for me or him to go... Fans are fickle like that. The voice is now in full flow criticising the lack of loyalty, yet fans are equally quick at looking for firing when its not going well. That IS football. I may not like it, you may not like it, but huffing and puffing and publically emoting like some dim wannabe on reality TV aint going to change it.

 

Secondly as 100% of thsoe posting on here, our knowledge of what was behind the decsion is limited, yet most seem perfectly happy to spout the bile and hatred without that knowledge. I am not.

 

You seem to only want to believe things that are direct quotes from people at the club frank.

 

It was obvious to everyone that Adkins was under pressure. It was stated on here several times that he was "sacked" only to be reinstated at least twice in the last 12 months. There were many, many reports that all was not well behind the scenes. There were ongoing reports that Cortese was looking for another manager. even today these were dismissed as bullsh it, wind ups and lies. Yet against this backdrop he achieved more than any of us could have hoped for when he took over.

 

do you believe this is fair for a man who as achieved more than was asked of him? Now i know you'll say no one knows what goes on behind the scenes and no one knows 100%. Were any of us there at the time? The answer would be no. But some of us know people connected to the club who would be "in the know" and it seems despite the sneering, put downs and being shouted down for daring to say the things i mentioned above that actually, on balance, it is probably true, yes? UNless of course you believe it was just a snap decsion and everything else is just an amazing coincidence.

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Where were we when he took over, compared to where we are now?

 

If he's out of his depth, where on earth do you think we should be? ****ing hell, if we've done that well with a Chairman who is out of his depth, Imagine where we could be.

 

 

 

It wasn't his millions who got us out of trouble. I don't see the fans asking for a statue of Cortese, Cortese just joined the ride to earn a few quid

 

I also think if the great man was still with us god rest his soul. A lot of the decisions that have been made Certainly wouldn't have been allowed to happen.

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You seem to only want to believe things that are direct quotes from people at the club frank.

 

It was obvious to everyone that Adkins was under pressure. It was stated on here several times that he was "sacked" only to be reinstated at least twice in the last 12 months. There were many, many reports that all was not well behind the scenes. There were ongoing reports that Cortese was looking for another manager. even today these were dismissed as bullsh it, wind ups and lies. Yet against this backdrop he achieved more than any of us could have hoped for when he took over.

 

do you believe this is fair for a man who as achieved more than was asked of him? Now i know you'll say no one knows what goes on behind the scenes and no one knows 100%. Were any of us there at the time? The answer would be no. But some of us know people connected to the club who would be "in the know" and it seems despite the sneering, put downs and being shouted down for daring to say the things i mentioned above that actually, on balance, it is probably true, yes? UNless of course you believe it was just a snap decsion and everything else is just an amazing coincidence.

 

Ok Cards on the table.

 

Cortese may not be a very nice person - h may be making decsions I would not like and act in a manner that i would find hard to work with. As you say, no one was in the room, no one has direct evidence, but there are plenty of hints.

 

On the flip side you have Marcus, someone who most would agree seemed a fair, and decent man... who trusted NC and was also his friend - this seems at odds with the rumours from within the club? This is something I dont get. It may be that NC was Marcus' foil and without marcus reigning him in there is something missing, I dont know,and we probably never will.

 

I am not perfect but would imagine I would be REWARDING Adkins for what he has achieved right now, not dismissing him. I also believe in loyalty and continuity so already you can see I am at odds with NC on this one. BUT the reason why I am happy in my job and DONT want to go much higher is that in certain positions it is necessary to make decsions that are right for the buisness but not right from a fair or human angle. MOst would agree taht to be successful in any buisness (and like oit or not football is a business) you need people who are willing to make decisions for the business even at the expense of what we would all probably agree is fair or nice.

 

I dont belive this was a snap decision. I also believe, although have NO eveidence that Nigel was aware of teh longer term strategy - many picked up on his remarks post Cov and read alot into them - some of the same who now dsmiss them. I was the opposite way round - I dismissed them then, but now with hinsight think there was more to it.

 

I dont expect anyone to be happy with the decsion, and I am saddened by Nige leaving. but this does not mean the ship is crumbling or warrant some of the ridiculous suggestions of protest or whatever some are coming out with. The hand wringing nonsence etc. Time will judge NC on what he achieves whilst he is here - some will never have any faith or trust in him and most wont like him, but that is not his job. His job is to deliver results - if thsi change does that he will have done his job, if it fails then he has failed.

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I love our conversations...

 

So when are we going to hang the devil Cortese?

 

I don't care what he does as long as he leaves as soon as possible or has a personality transplant. Luckily I'm younger than him so chances are I will still be around even if he keeps hold of the club for a good few years.

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I don't care what he does as long as he leaves as soon as possible or has a personality transplant. Luckily I'm younger than him so chances are I will still be around even if he keeps hold of the club for a good few years.

 

I think you should start a campaign to boot him out, then YOU can introduce a billionaire with lots of money, no doubt from your list of contacts from your executive box visits.

 

do it, do it!

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I think you should start a campaign to boot him out, then YOU can introduce a billionaire with lots of money, no doubt from your list of contacts from your executive box visits.

 

do it, do it!

 

That's all that matters to you then? Having a billionaire in charge? I don't have a list of contacts, I know Gordon Watson.

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Not think maybe the other 500 times he said in the past week was not enough? Maybe time to draw a line under it and support the club like everyone else?

 

Nah. He's earned his right to free speech. I'm sure they can find plenty of people to say nice things about Nicola if they want some balance.

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Nah. He's earned his right to free speech. I'm sure they can find plenty of people to say nice things about Nicola if they want some balance.

 

Cool.

 

Personally I think the more he goes on about it the more of a knob he looks. For someone who has admitted match fixing I think it is best he keeps his free speech to himself as who is he to judge others. Happy to hear from Matty but would be nice for it to be on something else about our club for a change.

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As I said... "he has just been shipped out on loan to League One unlikely to ever play for Saints again", so he didn't have to say something nice.

 

I read what you said. He's also still a Saints employee and under contract with us. Hardly like to say the blokes a c*nt is he.

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Cool.

 

Personally I think the more he goes on about it the more of a knob he looks. For someone who has admitted match fixing I think it is best he keeps his free speech to himself as who is he to judge others. Happy to hear from Matty but would be nice for it to be on something else about our club for a change.

 

Did he admit to match fixing? When was this?

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Except it wasn't match fixing though was it. still dont let that get in the way of anything.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1210882/Football-legend-Matthew-Le-Tissier-admits-10-000-Premier-League-betting-scam.html

 

I think making a bet on when something will happen then trying to make that thing happen at that time is "fixing" no?

 

This was interesting too http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4422469/Football-betting-scandal-Claus-Lundekvam-spot-fixing-claim.html

 

Point is MLT will always be a legend but nobody is perfect, not even le god. To keep taking a pop at others when your no angel yourself is a bit hypocritical.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1210882/Football-legend-Matthew-Le-Tissier-admits-10-000-Premier-League-betting-scam.html

 

I think making a bet on when something will happen then trying to make that thing happen at that time is "fixing" no?

 

it's not match fixing though is it like you said it was. You are wrong.

 

And yes, he is a plum for doing it and then admitting to it.

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it's not match fixing though is it like you said it was. You exagerated.

 

And yes, he is a plum for doing it and then admitting to it.

 

It is betting a lot of money on a game you play in and making sure you don't lose that bet. There are lot's of different types of fixing but it is still fixing. It is trying to get money dishonestly.

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It is betting a lot of money on a game you play in and making sure you don't lose that bet. There are lot's of different types of fixing but it is still fixing. It is trying to get money dishonestly.

 

You said it was match fixing, it isn't match fixing.

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what MLT did was almost unforgivable...the fact it was MLT gives a little acceptance..

 

but going into a game worrying/thinking of when you need to boot the ball out next (rather than score/win) is disgraceful

 

but he is a fuking legend to me......

 

 

had ANY other player in the last 25 years had come out and fronted up like he has about it...they would be utterly (and rightly) condemned for it

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