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Bearsy

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Just to put into context how serious FIFA and UEFA are about stamping out racism:

 

Niklas Bendtner was fined £80,000 after showing the tops of his underwear in the Euros and participating in a viral marketing scheme for Paddy Power.

 

Manchester City were fined £24,740 by Uefa for returning to the field less than a minute late against Porto in Match - a fine 50% greater than the one issued to Porto over the racial abuse of Mario Balotelli

 

A match between England and Serbia in the 2007 Under-21 European Championship in the Netherlands saw England defender Nedum Onuoha racially abused. Serbia were fined £16,000 by UEFA.

 

 

Dunno Kraks, I mean Bendtner and Man City was being punished for their own actions. It weren't the Serbian FA out there making monkey noises. At least, I fvvcking hope it weren't!

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Special K

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So, what are you saying? All Latvians are racists? ;)

 

Don't think it's limited to Latvians. It appears as though most Eastern Europeans are racist mofo's according to pap. Something i was unaware of, but am now gladly informed of, albeit based upon sweeping generalisation and one minor incident of flat sharing, which of course is firm evidence to me.

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The Kraken

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Dunno Kraks, I mean Bendtner and Man City was being punished for their own actions. It weren't the Serbian FA out there making monkey noises. At least, I fvvcking hope it weren't!

 

Simple remedy as far as I can make out BearMan.

 

1st significant racist event on the part of your fans: big fine and play your next home competitive game behind closed doors, and next away competitive game no allocation given for your fans.

 

2nd significant racist event on the part of your fans: big fine and play the next 5 home games behind closed doors and no away allocation given for your fans for the next 5 away games.

 

Any subsequent racist event; banned from that and the next major tournament qualification.

 

That should do the trick.

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Don't think it's limited to Latvians. It appears as though most Eastern Europeans are racist mofo's according to pap. Something i was unaware of, but am now gladly informed of, albeit based upon sweeping generalisation and one minor incident of flat sharing, which of course is firm evidence to me.

 

Glad to hear it. Thinking was never your strong point. It takes a big man to admit that, but I respect you for it.

 

I am happy to think for you, and will forward you your new positions on racism, sarcasm, and the effect that Internet forums can have on common civility in due course.

 

I suggest we address future "blanks" on a priority basis.

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Special K

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Glad to hear it. Thinking was never your strong point. It takes a big man to admit that, but I respect you for it.

 

I am happy to think for you, and will forward you your new positions on racism, sarcasm, and the effect that Internet forums can have on common civility in due course.

 

I suggest we address future "blanks" on a priority basis.

 

Actually, just "informed" mush. Please read and understand in future, thank you very much. You may wish to think for me (quite how you get to this conclusion I cannot see) but may i suggest a little therapy as this may increase your self esteem and usher you away from wanting to live your life vicariously through others. Although i must confess to being a little tempted to take you up on your offer, but the obvious flaws of contradiction, banality and paucity of humour push me away, so sorry fella, you'll just have to find someone else. Good luck though Bro, yeah!!

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Actually, just "informed" mush. Please read and understand in future, thank you very much. You may wish to think for me (quite how you get to this conclusion I cannot see) but may i suggest a little therapy as this may increase your self esteem and usher you away from wanting to live your life vicariously through others. Although i must confess to being a little tempted to take you up on your offer, but the obvious flaws of contradiction, banality and paucity of humour push me away, so sorry fella, you'll just have to find someone else. Good luck though Bro, yeah!!

 

 

Blimey, don't get ahead of yourself, Special K.

 

Since you asked though, I proceeded from the assumption that your entire post was sarcastic nonsense, then answered it as if it wasn't.

 

I'm not sure where self-esteem and living life vicariously come into it. It's possibly an indication that you need to:-

 

a) get a dictionary

b) if a) already accomplished, read the dictionary.

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The9

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He booted the ball in to the crowd and got a second yellow.

 

Utterly pathetic and pedantic refereeing. Fights breaking out all over the pitch, and the only card he decides to dish out is the one to Rose!

 

It wasn't a second yellow, it was a straight red for violent conduct (or whatever they've renamed it). And yes, the ref was completely useless in doing that whilst ignoring everything else. I thought the England players were pretty restrained, considering.

 

Danny Rose's sarcastic thumbs up after his brief monkey gesture summed up his feelings quite nicely.

 

As for Wigley, I read somewhere that he got punched in the face but I think that clip only showed the aftermath (i.e. him going mental).

 

I was actually watching this at the time and the whole thing sounds a lot worse in print than it looked at the time - because the cameras basically missed EVERYTHING - including what Rose kicked and where - but then I did also have the volume turned down.

 

I wish you lot would get over your English paranoia though, England have never been treated any differently by UEFA or FIFA than anyone else, they're both equally incompetent on all sides.

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Its always open-season when the England team or clubs play over in Europe.

 

UEFA and FIFA turn a blind eye to so much, I think the charges of institutional bias, corruption and racism are not so wide of the mark. Even their heads, Blatter and Platini, ill-conceal their hatred of England.

 

Jeez, thats rich, going on about racism, from you!

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The racism stuff is disgraceful, the punch up on the field though that really speaks to my inner bear. I'd like to see more of that stuff! Football should be more like ice hockey, where players are allowed to stop the game every now and again to have a punch up. I love it when it kicks off!

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The racism stuff is disgraceful, the punch up on the field though that really speaks to my inner bear. I'd like to see more of that stuff! Football should be more like ice hockey, where players are allowed to stop the game every now and again to have a punch up. I love it when it kicks off!

 

Yeah, I always think it's strange when there is a big fight on the pitch or a streaker or something and the commentator says "Oh, nobody wants to see these sort of scenes!", I think sometimes this is exactly what we want to see, especially if the match is 0-0 and boring.

 

Not the other stuff though.

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Jeez, thats rich, going on about racism, from you!

 

I am vehemently anti-racist. The Scottish are not a race. To coin a phrase from one of their very best in Trainspotting - "They're just w*nkers"

 

Oooh, is this the Austrian = Nazi = Racist genocidal bastard cliche again ? Wow, thats new. :rolleyes:

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It looke like the serbian team tried to protect our players. The blame is firmly laid at the home fans who were in attendance. Its easy to blame all serbs as being racist and I dont know any serbs and clearly many of those present are with the monkey chants,

 

The good thing is, none of the english fans who were there got involved with any of the violence on the pitch , grear credit to them other wise I think england could have been kicked out of the competition.

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Whilst we tend to beat ourselves up on such matters, the UK is probably one of the most advanced in the world terms of how it deals with racism. Something we can be very proud of.

 

Quite right. Probably because we are the most culturally diverse countries in the world. We understand that not all Latvians are rascist or all Poles are not nice, because we probably know a few ourselves

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Quite right. Probably because we are the most culturally diverse countries in the world. We understand that not all Latvians are rascist or all Poles are not nice, because we probably know a few ourselves

 

Spot on.

 

When I went to school their were 2 coloured brothers in a school of 900 odd pupils. That was it. Now my lad has a Turkish friend, a Polish one and one from puerto rico.

 

We shouldn't pat ourselves on the back too much though, look at parts of Scotland and NI where relegious intolerance is just as bad as any Eastern European racism.

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The racism stuff is disgraceful, the punch up on the field though that really speaks to my inner bear. I'd like to see more of that stuff! Football should be more like ice hockey, where players are allowed to stop the game every now and again to have a punch up. I love it when it kicks off!

 

That ungentlemanly conduct rule is a p!sser, my ursine friend.

 

As a neutral, I enjoy a match with a good bit of needle as much as one with beautiful football.

 

I think it is finally time for Speedball.

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We shouldn't pat ourselves on the back too much though, look at parts of Scotland and NI where relegious intolerance is just as bad as any Eastern European racism.

 

I doubt that there is anything religious about the intolerance anymore. It's mostly mindless tribalism in Scotland and in Northern Ireland its more about sovereignty and the inherent conflict between nationalist and unionist positions. I doubt that many theological arguments are being had.

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Looks like UFEA are trying to spread the blame on both sides:rolleyes:

 

Uefa has charged the Serbian and English football associations following the fracas at the end of the Under-21 football match between the two nations.European football's governing body said it was instigating proceedings against the Serbian FA over the conduct of its players and supporters.

 

And proceedings are also being instigated against the English FA for the "improper conduct" of its players.

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19985824

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Looks like UFEA are trying to spread the blame on both sides:rolleyes:

 

Uefa has charged the Serbian and English football associations following the fracas at the end of the Under-21 football match between the two nations.European football's governing body said it was instigating proceedings against the Serbian FA over the conduct of its players and supporters.

 

And proceedings are also being instigated against the English FA for the "improper conduct" of its players.

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19985824

 

That's despicable really

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The Kraken

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That's despicable really

 

Predictable.

 

England were always going to get charged with failing to control their players/staff. Its how FIFA/UEFA "work", and how they'll completely sidestep Platini's statement in 2011 where he said that if Serbia didn't clean up their act they could face expulsions from international competition. Expect a fine for Serbia and a slap on the wrists, a sizeable fine for England too, and it all to be brushed under the carpet. Yet again.

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Ok. back to the core of the problem. of course there were those monkey sounds at the stadium. Only FIFA and Serbs did not hear that. And its absolutely clear Serbian FA should be fined heavily or NT should be ordered to play its home games behind closed doors. As for my reaction at the beginning, was thinking to give a spicy flavour to this thread. I am for a long long time here at SWF but for the last few months the proper banter has decreased heavily here. so was thinking to improve that a bit. maybe it was not the best of the examples for that, call it a bad joke, but at least it has spiced the conversation up. Most importantly, I dont accept any racial abuse as some state Latvians are like Polish in doing that, so come down. I am sorry for everyone who was hurt by my comment. I am deeply sorry.

 

PS - Serbs are Serbs. They dont have the best of the lifes. Lost the territories they had (Montenegro and Kosovo), bad in economics, high corruption level. this is the soil for the low tollerance to other nations. Dont forget, they hate US, UK and France, because they believe those countries are responsible for NATO Serbian invasion. This is their view, know that from the insight. Thats why they perform ugly and yes, they hate colored people. this is their problem.

 

ONCE MORE, I AM VERY VERY SORRY. :)

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Special K

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Blimey, don't get ahead of yourself, Special K.

 

Since you asked though, I proceeded from the assumption that your entire post was sarcastic nonsense, then answered it as if it wasn't.

 

I'm not sure where self-esteem and living life vicariously come into it. It's possibly an indication that you need to:-

 

a) get a dictionary

b) if a) already accomplished, read the dictionary.

 

Not getting ahead of myself at all, just responding to your OTT post which went right off tangent. I think you were the one who, bizarrely, suggested living my life for me. I was just humouring you. Although don't back down now, please, it was just getting interesting.

 

I don't think calling my post sarcastic nonsense is really fair, especially after such a sweeping generalisation by you about a few hundred million people based upon a flat share with one geezer, something of course, you are happy to pick others upon on other threads. Just an observation, like.

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Apparently footage is emerging from the tunnel which clearly shows a group of Serbians repeatedly kicking the elderly England Tea Lady up the a*se as she attempts to wheel her trolley into the away dressing room - further disgrace, ageist and sexist, two qualities that are endemic in Serbian society!

 

Serbia's most popular movie of all time is Logan's Run! Disgusting...

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Not getting ahead of myself at all, just responding to your OTT post which went right off tangent. I think you were the one who, bizarrely, suggested living my life for me. I was just humouring you. Although don't back down now, please, it was just getting interesting.

 

I don't think calling my post sarcastic nonsense is really fair, especially after such a sweeping generalisation by you about a few hundred million people based upon a flat share with one geezer, something of course, you are happy to pick others upon on other threads. Just an observation, like.

 

First off, K - you're doing yourself a disservice by assuming that my account of my Latvian housemate is the only evidence I have to go on. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that Eastern Europeans have a harder time with race relations than the rest of Europe, including incidents like the Serbia game. Don't know if you remember this at all, but there was a documentary just ahead of the Euros which illustrated the scale of racism in Eastern European football and the way it manifests itself at games.

 

If you want to get specific on Latvia itself, the country has a problem with racism. Perhaps one of the biggest issues is the lack of legislation aimed at tackling it. Until recently, there was none. Now, the only legislation that exists is for inciting racial hatred. A lot of racially aggravated crimes still aren't being processed as such. In 2005, the US warned its citizens not to go to Latvia following a spate of racially motivated attacks.

 

The European Commission against Racism and Intolerance has had their eyes on Latvia for some time, reporting every year. The latest report, published in 2011, indicates that Latvia still has a long way to go in this area.

 

http://www.coe.int/t/dghl/monitoring/ecri/country-by-country/latvia/LVA-CbC-IV-2012-003-ENG.pdf

 

The only person who has gone off on a tangent here is you. You wanna conflate one personal account into my whole worldview of racism in Latvia? That's fine. I'm happy for that reality to exist in your own head. Have fun.

 

In future though, might be worth crediting people with a little more sense than you can ostensibly attain yourself.

 

xx

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I just hear boooos, thats it! If u want to hear monkey chants or sounds - u will. Nevertheless, its Serbia. They just hate blacks. thats it. fullstop.

 

On the other hand If you wish not to hear the monkey chants or sounds then you'll not. :rolleyes:

 

Your statement is both blinkered and at about the same intellectual level as those who made the noises you choose not to hear.

 

You only hear boos? Deary me. You don't go "boo boo boo boo boo" when you boo do you?

 

Hmmm.

 

Agreed.

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Ok. back to the core of the problem. of course there were those monkey sounds at the stadium. Only FIFA and Serbs did not hear that. And its absolutely clear Serbian FA should be fined heavily or NT should be ordered to play its home games behind closed doors. As for my reaction at the beginning, was thinking to give a spicy flavour to this thread. I am for a long long time here at SWF but for the last few months the proper banter has decreased heavily here. so was thinking to improve that a bit. maybe it was not the best of the examples for that, call it a bad joke, but at least it has spiced the conversation up. Most importantly, I dont accept any racial abuse as some state Latvians are like Polish in doing that, so come down. I am sorry for everyone who was hurt by my comment. I am deeply sorry.

 

PS - Serbs are Serbs. They dont have the best of the lifes. Lost the territories they had (Montenegro and Kosovo), bad in economics, high corruption level. this is the soil for the low tollerance to other nations. Dont forget, they hate US, UK and France, because they believe those countries are responsible for NATO Serbian invasion. This is their view, know that from the insight. Thats why they perform ugly and yes, they hate colored people. this is their problem.

 

ONCE MORE, I AM VERY VERY SORRY. :)

 

Bull

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I know Tolix. He's a nice bloke, very open minded and has an interest bordering on obsession with other countries and cultures. He certainly isn't a racist, that was just a very badly judged attempt at a joke. He knows better than most of us the problems with fans in Eastern Europe.

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Predictable.

 

England were always going to get charged with failing to control their players/staff. Its how FIFA/UEFA "work", and how they'll completely sidestep Platini's statement in 2011 where he said that if Serbia didn't clean up their act they could face expulsions from international competition. Expect a fine for Serbia and a slap on the wrists, a sizeable fine for England too, and it all to be brushed under the carpet. Yet again.

 

What's "predictable" is that they would charge both sides in a fracas where both sides acted inappropriately - some much more so than others. If what you believe will happen DOES happen, then fair enough. But what *I* expect to happen are sanctions which barely acknowledge England's involvement (other than possibly Steve Wigley), and are far more severe on Serbia.

 

How severe is of course up for question - but Serbia's punishment will certainly dwarf England's.

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What's "predictable" is that they would charge both sides in a fracas where both sides acted inappropriately - some much more so than others. If what you believe will happen DOES happen, then fair enough. But what *I* expect to happen are sanctions which barely acknowledge England's involvement (other than possibly Steve Wigley), and are far more severe on Serbia.

 

How severe is of course up for question - but Serbia's punishment will certainly dwarf England's.

 

We'll see. I'm expecting nothing more than a slap on the wrists for Serbia, and a relatively small fine (I consider anything less than Bendtner's £80K fine for his Paddy Power stunt as completely risible, so you understand my benchmarks). I wouldn't be surprised also if the fact that it was a U21 game rather than a full international is used in mitigation.

 

England will also see a fine; and I truly wouldn't be surprised if its more than the £16K that Serbia were fined for racially abusing Nedum Onouha back in 2007.

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The reality is that UEFA will do very little. They will be seen to do something, a tiny fine. UEFA and FIFA are the epitome of what is wrong with the world - corruption, favouritism, fraud, you name it and they will be involved.

 

What should happen? Serbia should be banned from hosting any UEFA/FIFA sanctioned matches in their home country until the end of the 2014 World Cup. It is not safe for away teams to compete there.

 

Danny Rose may have been racially abused, he has every right to be upset (of course, understatement...), but his red card will stand as by law the referee was right to send him off. Any player or coach who is seen to be headbutting or even racially abusing another player should be hit with much bigger suspensions though.

 

You should not be too pessimistic. There is a new mood in FIFA and Serbia deserve to and will be kicked out of all competition indefinitely, mark my words. This has been far too public to be dismissed easily even by Blatterer

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We'll see. I'm expecting nothing more than a slap on the wrists for Serbia, and a relatively small fine (I consider anything less than Bendtner's £80K fine for his Paddy Power stunt as completely risible, so you understand my benchmarks). I wouldn't be surprised also if the fact that it was a U21 game rather than a full international is used in mitigation.

 

England will also see a fine; and I truly wouldn't be surprised if its more than the £16K that Serbia were fined for racially abusing Nedum Onouha back in 2007.

 

Surely the fact it's "only" a low-profile U21 match is all the reason UEFA need to make an example of them ? No major stars affected...

 

I agree with your benchmarks for what it's worth. I'd still be surprised if England get anything resembling a punishment and very surprised if Serbia aren't either banned from competing in the next U-21 tournament or made to play a few games behind closed doors.

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The Kraken

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Bump.

 

Predictably, and shamefully enough, UEFA show yet again just how seriously they take the whole issue of racist abuse in the game. Serbia get a £65,000 fine; £15,000 less than Niklas Bentdner got for showing the tops of his pants during Euro 2012.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20718693

 

F*ck off UEFA, you useless shower of c*nts.

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