bangkoksaint Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 Just watching Fox play for Scotland. Just reinforces how we should have strengthened in this area. Bale is taking him to the cleaners and I worry for when we face Surs soon. Will we learn ai wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 Bale has taken full backs better than Fox to the cleaners. It's not how he does against Bale that is th problem, it's how he does against Etherington, Jarvis, Surman and co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 Just watching Fox play for Scotland. Just reinforces how we should have strengthened in this area. Bale is taking him to the cleaners and I worry for when we face Surs soon. Will we learn ai wonder? Bale took maicon to the cleaners... He took Rafael to the cleaners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 Quote from BBC text commentary: "Daniel Fox has been the Scotland player dealt the hand of dealing with Gareth Bale for most of the night so far, and he actually is doing a pretty good job so far." Given that Scotland are 1-0 up Bale clearly hasn't taken anything to the cleaners today (except maybe his laundry), and he has been booked Quite amusing that England still only have 2 against the minnows of San Marino. I watched a complete knobhead on Sky earlier giving the odds for England winning anything up to 14-0, and 6-0 was very short odds. These people really have no idea about the dullness of international football where even a bunch of students and olive oil pressers can hold England to 0-0 for 35 minutes. I bet we would have more than 2 if SRL had been playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 I can recall the exitement over the (then Saint) 17 year old Gareth Bale, being quickly tempered by harsh comments about his shortcomings as a defender..... Few players in the World can overlap and attack as Bale does, but he is no longer asked to play the defensive role he once had. Similar criticism about Daniel Fox (perhaps not unwarranted at times) doesn't take away from the fact that he is the most effective left-sided threat we've had in a decade or more. Eleven assists last season shows how effective he can be, but like Bale, he's not particularly strong in the defensive role. Are we playing him in the wrong position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 Similar criticism [/b]about Daniel Fox (perhaps not unwarranted at times) doesn't take away from the fact that he is the most effective left-sided threat we've had in a decade or more. Eleven assists last season shows how effective he can be, but like Bale, he's not particularly strong in the defensive role. Are we playing him in the wrong position? He is certainly a threat to OUR goal, I'll give you that Look, the guys delivery from out wide is excellent most of the time, there is no getting away from that. As you show the stats support that. BUT he is a left back who simply cannot defend, his positional play is abysmal. So the only other place you could play him is left midfield....and we have a pretty good one of those. So as just cover for the left midfield spot then fine. Otherwise no way.....and he isnt in a 17 year old Bale's class either going forward or defending btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 I can recall the exitement over the (then Saint) 17 year old Gareth Bale, being quickly tempered by harsh comments about his shortcomings as a defender..... Few players in the World can overlap and attack as Bale does, but he is no longer asked to play the defensive role he once had. Similar criticism about Daniel Fox (perhaps not unwarranted at times) doesn't take away from the fact that he is the most effective left-sided threat we've had in a decade or more. Eleven assists last season shows how effective he can be, but like Bale, he's not particularly strong in the defensive role. Are we playing him in the wrong position? The most effective left sided threat we have in a decade or more. Apart from Bale and Bridge you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 (edited) I can recall the exitement over the (then Saint) 17 year old Gareth Bale, being quickly tempered by harsh comments about his shortcomings as a defender..... Few players in the World can overlap and attack as Bale does, but he is no longer asked to play the defensive role he once had. Similar criticism about Daniel Fox (perhaps not unwarranted at times) doesn't take away from the fact that he is the most effective left-sided threat we've had in a decade or more. Eleven assists last season shows how effective he can be, but like Bale, he's not particularly strong in the defensive role. Are we playing him in the wrong position? The best roll for Fox would indeed be in another position - as shown last night for Scotland he is way off the pace for a place in our team...It's all been said before - not intelligent enough or quick enough, by quite a margin..'position suggestions' - tea lady, ticket sales desk, car park barrier operator, orange juice monitor, half time divet replacer, Staplewood Refurb Contracts Manager, Defensive transfer policy coordinator, Ticket sales promotion (by not playing) lol...... Edited 13 October, 2012 by captainchris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 Bale never takes his own suits to the cleaners..Lazy Bale:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 He is certainly a threat to OUR goal, I'll give you that Look, the guys delivery from out wide is excellent most of the time, there is no getting away from that. As you show the stats support that. So the only other place you could play him is left midfield....and we have a pretty good one of those ..QUOTE] Indeed, but doesn't he... (we are talking about Lalllana right ?).... have problems shooting on his left-foot?. I've watched him closely in every match I've seen this season and he always seems to want in on his right foot and has missed a couple of golden chances - just because he wanted too much time... perhaps he should play a bit more right-sided and maybe use one of the other guys more centrally ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 Fox is adapting, maybe slowly, to the PL pace and has looked exposed at times...enough has been said on othere threads about the covering fom in front of him but he brings a sweet left foot and an accurate long and corner delivery to our play. I'm not saying that we shouldn't look for quality cover to strengthen the squad but he has been nowhere near as bad as some have painted him..in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manina-pub Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 The 3rd paragraph in this article could be described as harsh (if not a little funny) .... http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/not-only-did-gareth-bale-beat-scotland-he-beat-scotland-up.19138538? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkoksaint Posted 13 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 13 October, 2012 the 3rd paragraph in this article could be described as harsh (if not a little funny) .... http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/not-only-did-gareth-bale-beat-scotland-he-beat-scotland-up.19138538? lmfao! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 I'm not a big fan of Fox but he was up against Bale FFS it was given he was going to get battered....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 like Bale, he's not particularly strong in the defensive role. You can't be serious with that comment, surely? We converted Bale from a winger to a full back and a bloody good one at that. At times at first. his positioning was questionable but he had the pace and tackling skill to make up for it.But Spurs didn't pay all that money for a poor defender. Fox is ok going forward and delivers a good cross-ball but defensively is a liability because he doesn't have the greatest positional sense nor the pace to rectify this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 Fox is adapting, maybe slowly, to the PL pace and has looked exposed at times...enough has been said on othere threads about the covering fom in front of him but he brings a sweet left foot and an accurate long and corner delivery to our play. I'm not saying that we shouldn't look for quality cover to strengthen the squad but he has been nowhere near as bad as some have painted him..in my opinion. Its all about opinions isn't it cos for me he has been as bad as many have painted him. Sorry but I dont see him slowly adapting to the PL and niether does the manager. He was only playing last week because Clyne was injured, I'm sure of it. Did he help his cause last week ? Well look at Fulham's second goal for the answer. In two weeks time we play Spurs. Now do we seriously think Adkins will play him against Bale after last night ? It would be cruel.....on all of us, not just Fox. If Fox does play against Bale then I'm having a few quid on a big Spurs win with Gareth scoring a couple. He is just not up to it, sorry but sometimes these things need to be said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 Fox played well against Fulham IMHO............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 Fox played well against Fulham IMHO............... I thought he was okay as well. The trouble is he is closing in on Guly status where even when he plays well everyone will be on his back and highlighting even the slightest error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 What I don't understand is this fixation that under-the-radar English players have to just ignore where they were born and lived all of their life, open up the dusty family records and just join a home nation to play 90 minutes every other semester. We see it with all of them, including that of the Republic, and it really annoys me because the majority of them don't even prove to be irreplaceable assets for them! Surely Fox, a guy from Cheshire and an Everton supporter in his youth, doesn't give a flying frick about the Flower of Scotland if it weren't for a crack against the Xavis and the Sneijders? And how would Wales feel if Giggs or even Bale had decided to play for England to get a crack at a major competition? If I were a local I would be quite upset that people from my place don't get a chance simply to accommodate average English players who don't cut the mustard back home. It happens all over the world nowadays though...I think it's the Armenian keeper who is from (and starting playing pro in) Nigeria! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 What I don't understand is this fixation that under-the-radar English players have to just ignore where they were born and lived all of their life, open up the dusty family records and just join a home nation to play 90 minutes every other semester. We see it with all of them, including that of the Republic, and it really annoys me because the majority of them don't even prove to be irreplaceable assets for them! Surely Fox, a guy from Cheshire and an Everton supporter in his youth, doesn't give a flying frick about the Flower of Scotland if it weren't for a crack against the Xavis and the Sneijders? And how would Wales feel if Giggs or even Bale had decided to play for England to get a crack at a major competition? If I were a local I would be quite upset that people from my place don't get a chance simply to accommodate average English players who don't cut the mustard back home. It happens all over the world nowadays though...I think it's the Armenian keeper who is from (and starting playing pro in) Nigeria![/ N/t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 You seriously think Giggs and Bale wouldn't get into the England team and that's why they've chosen to play for Wales? On the contrary, I'm sure they would. By the same chain of thought, if the average English players look for time in the home nations, then their top players could also simply ignore their home squad and join England! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 On the contrary, I'm sure they would. By the same chain of thought, if the average English players look for time in the home nations, then their top players could also simply ignore their home squad and join England! I wish the likes of Welbeck were Scottish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAS Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 Its all about opinions isn't it cos for me he has been as bad as many have painted him. Sorry but I dont see him slowly adapting to the PL and niether does the manager. He was only playing last week because Clyne was injured, I'm sure of it. Did he help his cause last week ? Well look at Fulham's second goal for the answer. In two weeks time we play Spurs. Now do we seriously think Adkins will play him against Bale after last night ? It would be cruel.....on all of us, not just Fox. If Fox does play against Bale then I'm having a few quid on a big Spurs win with Gareth scoring a couple. He is just not up to it, sorry but sometimes these things need to be said.Always nice to bet against your team losing. Must admit I've never done it and never will. But Fox is as good as he gets and has a great touch and contrary to other posts is quick. He does tend to give the ball away too much and cheaply, but I think he has been told to keep the back four line close and tight and hence if Lallana doesn't defend then he is caught between keeping close to the centre backs and defending the wide man - no win situation. Bad defending or conceding bad goals is not always down to defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 Actually Richardson, by many written off from PL standards, up until his unfortunate injury and since his half-time appearance against Villa, had shown to be adapting quite well to the league, much better than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 October, 2012 Share Posted 14 October, 2012 You can't be serious with that comment, surely? We converted Bale from a winger to a full back and a bloody good one at that. At times at first. his positioning was questionable but he had the pace and tackling skill to make up for it.But Spurs didn't pay all that money for a poor defender. Fox is ok going forward and delivers a good cross-ball but defensively is a liability because he doesn't have the greatest positional sense nor the pace to rectify this. Actually, Bale was always a left back in the youth team. I still think Danny Fox has the potential to do well at this level, but if we're looking for a quick answer I've just seen that Royston Drenthe is without a club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 14 October, 2012 Share Posted 14 October, 2012 The truth is that out of the 25 man squad only a about 3 or 4 will adapt to the premier league,it's no good blaming any one player for not adapting or being good enough for the prem,they will attain a certain level and probably won't get any better,they are not going to turn around and admit they are not good enough,would you?......of course not,the person(s) responsible for not pinpointing our needs and acting on them should be held responsible for us not being prepared for the prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 October, 2012 Share Posted 14 October, 2012 ]I wish the likes of Welbeck were Scottish! the sunday sun are salivating about welbeck today... I mean....REALLY..!!!!??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 14 October, 2012 Share Posted 14 October, 2012 ] the sunday sun are salivating about welbeck today... I mean....REALLY..!!!!??? I believe it's written into every red-top sports journalist's contract that they have to salivate over average players from the 'top six'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 14 October, 2012 Share Posted 14 October, 2012 You can't be serious with that comment, surely? We converted Bale from a winger to a full back and a bloody good one at that. At times at first. his positioning was questionable but he had the pace and tackling skill to make up for it.But Spurs didn't pay all that money for a poor defender. Fox is ok going forward and delivers a good cross-ball but defensively is a liability because he doesn't have the greatest positional sense nor the pace to rectify this. I don't know that we did? Are you really sure ? ....I only recall him playing at LB ? I do recall people raving about his 30 yard free kicks.....but then criticising him when he got regularly skinned by an opposing winger. No-one is perfect but I don't recall him being outstanding as a LB, but he looked good going forward and did that with a "3" on his back. After he joined Spurs he had a job to get on their bench, and only got a regular spot when used in a more advanced role. Wales played " someone else " at LB, and use him in an attacking role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 14 October, 2012 Share Posted 14 October, 2012 I believe it's written into every red-top sports journalist's contract that they have to salivate over average players from the 'top six'. I preferred him in that american sitcom he did.....the fresh prince of bel air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 October, 2012 Share Posted 14 October, 2012 ] the sunday sun are salivating about welbeck today... I mean....REALLY..!!!!??? He was man of the match on Friday wasn't he? I thought he rubbish. Another average player that is going to be built up as world class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 15 October, 2012 Share Posted 15 October, 2012 I'm not a big fan of Fox but he was up against Bale FFS it was given he was going to get battered....... .....and let's not pretend that Fox isn't the only defender to get " beaten -up " by Gareth Bale in the last few years.... Bale didn't get his reputation from just playing better than the Danny Fox's of the football world, at times Bale has been described (by some) .as World Class. What did you expect ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkoksaint Posted 15 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 15 October, 2012 I agree......he is class and why should Fox be expected to cope? What I will say is this. He has had a taste of what Bale can do and how he will go about it. Lets learn some lessons from it when we play them because so far this season learning lessons is something we haven't done well. FWIW I would play Clyne at LB when we play Spurs.........infant I'd play him there every week over Fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 15 October, 2012 Share Posted 15 October, 2012 I agree......he is class and why should Fox be expected to cope? What I will say is this. He has had a taste of what Bale can do and how he will go about it. Lets learn some lessons from it when we play them because so far this season learning lessons is something we haven't done well. FWIW I would play Clyne at LB when we play Spurs.........infant I'd play him there every week over Fox Bit harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 16 October, 2012 Share Posted 16 October, 2012 (edited) Just watching Fox play for Scotland. Just reinforces how we should have strengthened in this area. Bale is taking him to the cleaners and I worry for when we face Surs soon. Will we learn ai wonder? Funny that, as Bale didn't actually have any impact on the score until he started playing more centrally and Fox was nowhere near to blame for either of the goals. It was Bale+10 v Scotland though. Very similar to Giggs' role for most of the 90s, except with a few more friendlies. Edited 16 October, 2012 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 16 October, 2012 Share Posted 16 October, 2012 Wales played " someone else " at LB, and use him in an attacking role. Wales have used Sam Ricketts, Danny Collins, Lewin Nyatanga, Neil Taylor and Ben Davies behind Bale so far (and probably a few others). They also played Bale at LB in his first few matches, including against Ronaldinho and Brazil when he was still a teenager, and he looked pretty decent - I remember thinking at the time that would probably be the highlight of his career ! Bale never played a single game for Saints' FIRST TEAM anywhere other than as left back, and was absolutely fine defensively. He was phenomenal going forward in the Championship though and frequently bypassed entire opposition teams (thanks in part to Skacel at left mid dragging players away and always offering a viable option). He also scored or hit the post with his first 4 free-kicks for Saints. Not a bad start. Luke Shaw for me so far (I got a good look at Stevenage) has shown some similar type of ability going forward, but nothing like as much defensive solidity. After his original run of never playing in a winning Spurs side lasted nearly a year, Bale got fairly seriously injured, put on a ton of muscle during his big injury - most of it seemed to be on his shoulders (hence looking like a chimp sat on a fridge) - and when he came back into the Spurs side they had the not always in favour Assou-Ekotto at left back and tried them both ways around early on, before eventually using Bale as left midfield once he'd started running matches against Inter and suchlike the way he had for Saints in the Championship in the first few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 16 October, 2012 Share Posted 16 October, 2012 What I don't understand is this fixation that under-the-radar English players have to just ignore where they were born and lived all of their life, open up the dusty family records and just join a home nation to play 90 minutes every other semester. We see it with all of them, including that of the Republic, and it really annoys me because the majority of them don't even prove to be irreplaceable assets for them! Surely Fox, a guy from Cheshire and an Everton supporter in his youth, doesn't give a flying frick about the Flower of Scotland if it weren't for a crack against the Xavis and the Sneijders? And how would Wales feel if Giggs or even Bale had decided to play for England to get a crack at a major competition? If I were a local I would be quite upset that people from my place don't get a chance simply to accommodate average English players who don't cut the mustard back home. It happens all over the world nowadays though...I think it's the Armenian keeper who is from (and starting playing pro in) Nigeria! Two things here, firstly neither is eligible for England and never have been (although the rules have since changed so Giggs [and Michael Owen] would have been eligible for either England or Wales based on their schooling had they not already been capped), and secondly Bale withdrew from the GB Olympic squad for a tournament with matches in his HOME TOWN with an injury so severe he was scoring for Spurs before the competition even began, so I don't think featuring at major sporting events are that high on his list. As an aside, it's Qatar and Equatorial Guinea you want to keep your eye on for dubious naturalised nationals over the next few years, they're already at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 16 October, 2012 Share Posted 16 October, 2012 Funny that, as Bale didn't actually have any impact on the score until he started playing more centrally and Fox was nowhere near to blame for either of the goals. It was Bale+10 v Scotland though. Very similar to Giggs' role for most of the 90s, except with a few more friendlies. I wondered when someone was going to mention that ...but so many have it in for Fox that I suppose criticism is expected now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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