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In essence he is correct. Rangers and Celtic are 2 of the best supported clubs in the world. They suffer from being in a small country and a **** league. Let them loose on a European stage with the ability to collect the same sort of funding as ManU and Barca and they would both be forces to be reckoned with. We unfortunately wouldn't. Don't see what all the fuss is about.

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He seems pretty bitter about a lot of things to be honest but his idea of man u etc all getting more money from tv rights "because theyre bigger" would make the league 100x more unfair than it is currently. we dont want the EPL to be a joke of a league like the SPL became!

 

That's because he's from Yorkshire

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Im sure your comment was a joke but I go to Glasgow regularly for work, in fact I was up there this week and have a number of people I know through work who live there who I would now consider friends. It's a fantastic city. Like every big city it has it's trouble spots and unsavoury characters but it's a great place to visit and a number of people I work with have moved there from England. I must admit if the right role came up I'd consider it as well.

 

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Oh, I am sure there are quite a few big-mouthed Alec Salmond look-alike tw*ts strategically placed around the world whose ancestors jumped ship or got deported for crime back when such things occurred, but I for one am not convinced about these communities of McEwans with IrunBru swigging, deep-fried Mars Bar pigging, ginger wig-wearing kn*b-ends glued in front of their TVs getting animated about playing Arsenal and whining about playing us, around the world...

 

As one of many Scots born Saints fans (my wife is from Southampton!) I have noted many of your biggoted views in the past !

I am not in any way PC nor do I take offense easily(if at all!) but I do find some of your opinions particularly obnoxious !

Charles Green has made an arse of himself with his recent statement, no doubt about it IMO, but please remember that he is English and has expressed his personal view which in all probability is not shared by many Rangers supporters !

Your ignorance of football in general is widely acknowledged on this website but please don't patronise fellow fans just to satisfy your twisted little agenda !!

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Oh, I am sure there are quite a few big-mouthed Alec Salmond look-alike tw*ts strategically placed around the world whose ancestors jumped ship or got deported for crime back when such things occurred, but I for one am not convinced about these communities of McEwans with IrunBru swigging, deep-fried Mars Bar pigging, ginger wig-wearing kn*b-ends glued in front of their TVs getting animated about playing Arsenal and whining about playing us, around the world...

Geez. I am a proud Englishman, but are you ****ed or something?

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If rangers and Celtic want to play in the prem then they should start at the bottom and work their way up otherwise it makes a complete mockery of the game......anyway,we don't need another cheating,tax dodging,cup buying club in the league,that's pompeys job.

 

No they shouldn't. It should never, ever be allowed IMO. We play in the English league, not a British one (and no, I don't believe Cardiff and Swansea etc should be in our leagues either but that's a ship that sailed a long, long time ago).

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What planet do some Saints fans live on? Rangers are one of the biggest clubs in European, if not world football. Saints ARE a small team compared to them.

Just because they now play in the 3rd division and we play in the top league doesn't wipe out 100 years of history. One club has 114 major domestic honours, the other has 2.

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What planet do some Saints fans live on? Rangers are one of the biggest clubs in European, if not world football. Saints ARE a small team compared to them.

Just because they now play in the 3rd division and we play in the top league doesn't wipe out 100 years of history. One club has 114 major domestic honours, the other has 2.

 

You're only as good as your last game.

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No they shouldn't. It should never, ever be allowed IMO. We play in the English league, not a British one (and no, I don't believe Cardiff and Swansea etc should be in our leagues either but that's a ship that sailed a long, long time ago).

I agree but if it is to happen,which I don't think it ever will,then they should have no god given right to start at the top....they need us (especially rangers) more than we need them.

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What planet do some Saints fans live on? Rangers are one of the biggest clubs in European, if not world football. Saints ARE a small team compared to them.

Just because they now play in the 3rd division and we play in the top league doesn't wipe out 100 years of history. One club has 114 major domestic honours, the other has 2.

 

We could have 114 major honours if we were playing the equivalent of Havant and Waterlooville every week.

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I like threads about Rangers and Celtic. You get the people claiming they are no better than Conference standard and others coming out claiming that they are, without doubt, one of the biggest clubs in the world. There's middle ground.

 

The standard of the SPL is, on the whole, about the same as upper-mid Championship level.

Rangers (of old) and Celtic have probably averaged at a mid-table Premier league standard in recent decades.

Their fanbases are both considerably bigger than Southampton's. Although that doesn't make Southampton a small club. We're just not as big as those 2.

Currently, Southampton have similar quality of players to Celtic (IMO). And we're better than Rangers.

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What planet do some Saints fans live on? Rangers are one of the biggest clubs in European, if not world football. Saints ARE a small team compared to them.

Just because they now play in the 3rd division and we play in the top league doesn't wipe out 100 years of history. One club has 114 major domestic honours, the other has 2.

Not anymore they're not,they might have a worldwide fan base but the brutal facts are they are way way down the pecking order in terms of which league they play in,the Scottish premier is not even in the top 15 best supported leagues in Europe so god knows where the bottom Scottish league sits.

As for the 114 trophies then my argument would be that if you put saints in the same league as Eastleigh then I'm sure we would win it nearly every season.

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Not anymore they're not,they might have a worldwide fan base but the brutal facts are they are way way down the pecking order in terms of which league they play in,the Scottish premier is not even in the top 15 best supported leagues in Europe so god knows where the bottom Scottish league sits.

As for the 114 trophies then my argument would be that if you put saints in the same league as Eastleigh then I'm sure we would win it nearly every season.

 

But they haven't won those 114 trophies playing in the the Scottish L2 have they. They got 49k a few weeks ago, that's incredible support for a 4th tier fixture in a very small country.

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I like threads about Rangers and Celtic. You get the people claiming they are no better than Conference standard and others coming out claiming that they are, without doubt, one of the biggest clubs in the world. There's middle ground.

 

The standard of the SPL is, on the whole, about the same as upper-mid Championship level.

Rangers (of old) and Celtic have probably averaged at a mid-table Premier league standard in recent decades.

Their fanbases are both considerably bigger than Southampton's. Although that doesn't make Southampton a small club. We're just not as big as those 2.

Currently, Southampton have similar quality of players to Celtic (IMO). And we're better than Rangers.

 

You've missed that there's a massive difference between being one of the biggest clubs in the world and one of the best clubs in the world.

 

Celtic and Rangers are huge clubs globally. In terms of ability they will always be completely limited by the Scottish league. If they played in the Premier League they would have the opportunity to push on and become one of the biggest and best clubs in Britain and Europe. Without that, they will still be among the biggest but nowhere near the best.

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But they haven't won those 114 trophies playing in the the Scottish L2 have they. They got 49k a few weeks ago, that's incredible support for a 4th tier fixture in a very small country.

 

Who said anything about L2? The Scottish prem is just as ****e,if you take out Celtic then what you have left is ****e and I dont care that rangers had 49k.....you don't win anything for having the most fans.

The truth is there for everybody to see,rangers cheated and were beaten down to the bottom league and they were so 'popular' that every team in Scotland turned against them.

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Who said anything about L2? The Scottish prem is just as ****e,if you take out Celtic then what you have left is ****e and I dont care that rangers had 49k.....you don't win anything for having the most fans.

The truth is there for everybody to see,rangers cheated and were beaten down to the bottom league and they were so 'popular' that every team in Scotland turned against them.

 

It hasn't always been. In the 80s as well as rangers and Celtic Aberdeen had a very Good side that won the league a few times and a European trophy. Dundee United also had a very good side which got to the UEFA cup final, when the UEFA cup was a decent trophy with good sides playing in it. It may be sh*t now but in the past Scotland has produced some good players and sides. Some of the best players and managers Britain has produed are Scottish. Quite different to beating Havant and Waterloville every week. Your lazy assumption that Saints would be as successful as Rangers if we played in Scotland is bo*llcks. Southampton is a similar sized city to Aberdeen, if we were in Scotland we'd undoubtedly be a club just like them and in the shadow of Rangers and Celtic.

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Rangers almost got to the Champions League final in 1993. They got through the knockouts to the last 8, when it split into two groups of four. The top team from each group made the final, Rangers came second in their group by 1 point.

 

They also beat English champions Leeds, home and away I believe. Just like they would have done to Havant and Waterlooville.

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“There will be a European league because big teams can’t keep subsidising small teams like Southampton for the next 10 years because they will go stale."

 

He's confusing the SPL with the PL. Celtic and Rangers went stale in Scotland but there's no evidence that is happening to the top teams in the PL. The so called subsidy to the lower PL teams is what underpins the premiere league's competitiveness and integrity by comparison with the SPL. He seems to be ignoring from which league come the current european champions.

 

It's highly questionable whether the top teams in England want to play european teams week in and week out. We all know how dismal are the group stages of the champions league, albeit this level seems to have been the limit of Rangers' aspirations, entry to which courtesy of a p1ss poor SPL.

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They are probably the only team in the world who have more supporters at their home games than the rest of the league has in it's entirety (and probably morere than the league above them as well)!

 

I also wish that the English League had the same balls as the Scottish League had, and had dished out a similar fate to the blue few up the road.

 

It was a bloody stupid rant by that yorkshire knob though.

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It hasn't always been. In the 80s as well as rangers and Celtic Aberdeen had a very Good side that won the league a few times and a European trophy. Dundee United also had a very good side which got to the UEFA cup final, when the UEFA cup was a decent trophy with good sides playing in it. It may be sh*t now but in the past Scotland has produced some good players and sides. Some of the best players and managers Britain has produed are Scottish. Quite different to beating Havant and Waterloville every week. Your lazy assumption that Saints would be as successful as Rangers if we played in Scotland is bo*llcks. Southampton is a similar sized city to Aberdeen, if we were in Scotland we'd undoubtedly be a club just like them and in the shadow of Rangers and Celtic.

 

You keep on bringing the past up,I acknowledge that there have been some decent rangers teams but in terms of success,not history,number of trophies or fans we are the dominant club,rangers are playing in one of the worst leagues in world football after cheating for a number of years in the Scottish prem,we however are playing in arguably the best league in the world fairly,with sound financial management.

Imo If we were playing in the Scottish prem today I truly believe that our only threat to winning the league would be Celtic whereas if rangers were allowed to play in England today they would struggle to survive in the championship but hey,they would have great support.....the fact of the matter is that the Scottish prem is probably the easiest route in europe into European football.

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“There will be a European league because big teams can’t keep subsidising small teams like Southampton for the next 10 years because they will go stale."

 

He's confusing the SPL with the PL. Celtic and Rangers went stale in Scotland but there's no evidence that is happening to the top teams in the PL. The so called subsidy to the lower PL teams is what underpins the premiere league's competitiveness and integrity by comparison with the SPL. He seems to be ignoring from which league come the current european champions.

 

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Maybe he was also misquoted and meant to say Rangers would rather play Arsenal, Villa, Swansea and Southampton each week rather than the shyte that they can't beat week in week out.

 

They lived outside of their means and cheated - they are now quite rightly paying the price - yet seem to think they should get automatic upgrade to the first class carriage of footballs biggest gravy train because they have big crowds and history behind them. Now is now - then was then.

 

To single out individual clubs who have worked hard and fairly to be where they are shows a distinct lack of class and a huge chip on his shoulder.

 

Maybe they can team up with England's biggest and bestest (at cheating) and start their own Super Conference League.

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I like threads about Rangers and Celtic. You get the people claiming they are no better than Conference standard and others coming out claiming that they are, without doubt, one of the biggest clubs in the world. There's middle ground.

 

The standard of the SPL is, on the whole, about the same as upper-mid Championship level.

Rangers (of old) and Celtic have probably averaged at a mid-table Premier league standard in recent decades.

Their fanbases are both considerably bigger than Southampton's. Although that doesn't make Southampton a small club. We're just not as big as those 2.

Currently, Southampton have similar quality of players to Celtic (IMO). And we're better than Rangers.

 

A sensible view at last, amongst all the shrieking "how dare you say Rangers and Celtic arent big clubs".

 

I dont like the term "big". It seems to be some moronic unthinking generic term used to pump up some clubs and belittle/abuse others, just like Green has done.

 

Are Blackpool still a "big" club, consideing their massive contribution to the history of English football ? Preston North End ?

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I dove love a good 'my club is bigger than your's' **** waving contest - demonstrates all the crappy egocentric shiedt that football is full of... surely a better comparison is simply 'my club is 'better' than yours which the league position usually validates if ego massage is your thing - no one ever agrees on what criteria makes a big club.... feck Blackpool and Bolton would be bigger than most if don on certain criteria...

 

Celtic and Rangers undoudtely have a huge following - not in part because many form outside Glasgow are old firm fans - rather than supporting their local crappy sides - and all the plastic paddies in New York and other places who are Celtic fans, or ex pat scots around the globe hand on to their roots etc... but they have been big fish in a small pond for a long time, so trophy count is perhaps not something that can be fairly applied in a two horse race for 100 years...

 

Would they benefit from more revenue as part of a EU or even the prem? of course they would, but then again look at the 100ml advantage that Rangers had and it still meant they did feck all in Europe...

 

I think Geen is also missing the point somewhat - this is Sport/football and in every country you have the better richer clubs and the smaller less well off clubs - the richer clubs can afford to buy expensive talent and the less well off need to try and unearth undiscovered Gems or nuture their own to try and become more competitive - and in seeing these match up and the odd shock results is what its all about - creating a super league, closed to a the rich few, or those with 'big' fanbases may create a short term TV glut fest, but long term do you think Rangers would be in the top 10? or regularly at the Bottom... how long would fan interest remain in such a 'constructed' artificial league?

 

Man U subsidising Southampton? The guy is clueless - the TV revenues from Sky are given the the prem as a whole... without 19 other clubs who would Man U play? They already get substantially more from that deal than most others through higher Live games and more for finishing higher up... he seems to think that creating an even bigger divide between the top 2 or 3 and the rest is a good thing and shows his ignorance of what the real fan wants.... sadly though, he is probably right when it comes to the airmchair global TV audience... and as we already know, they are all that SKY and the prem seem interested in.

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Rangers have 0 honours.

 

The current outfit is a completely new club.

 

I don't think anyone is arguing with Rangers being a big club, but the sheer arrogance that he thinks bigger clubs subsidise the smaller ones is hilarious. While they are playing in the lower tiers of Scottish football they are only a draw for Rangers fans.

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Rangers have 0 honours.

 

The current outfit is a completely new club.

 

I don't think anyone is arguing with Rangers being a big club, but the sheer arrogance that he thinks bigger clubs subsidise the smaller ones is hilarious. While they are playing in the lower tiers of Scottish football they are only a draw for Rangers fans.

 

So we were only formed in 2009 then? Southampton leisure holdings no longer exist and we are owned by a new company, effectively a new club. So we have 0 FA cups our name and no history before 2009.

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AS I have sad many times on this board..I have been all over the world..and rangers/celtic shirts/scarfs/fan clubs etc are just behind Man United for visibility IMO....

certainly, easily on par with Liverpool and arsenal IMO

 

Rangers with Celtic are giants in football

they are massive clubs due to 2 things. Religious bigotry and winning trophies every season from day one. Yes they are massive clubs but it is nothing to do with football or how great their fans are. It is catholic you support Celtic , protestant you support Rangers. the hatred ingrained in that makes them passionate.Let in stay contained in Scotland thank-you
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You keep on bringing the past up,I acknowledge that there have been some decent rangers teams but in terms of success,not history,number of trophies or fans we are the dominant club,rangers are playing in one of the worst leagues in world football after cheating for a number of years in the Scottish prem,we however are playing in arguably the best league in the world fairly,with sound financial management.

Imo If we were playing in the Scottish prem today I truly believe that our only threat to winning the league would be Celtic whereas if rangers were allowed to play in England today they would struggle to survive in the championship but hey,they would have great support.....the fact of the matter is that the Scottish prem is probably the easiest route in europe into European football.

 

In terms of success? Isn't success defined by the number of trophies, your fan base and history or am I missing something. What is success then? Are we more successful than Man U because we are running with only a few million of debt rather than 10s of millions?

 

And don't delude yourself into thinking we'd be the biggest club in Scotland if we were there. Do think Cortese and the ML would have been interested if we were in Scotland? Do you think Ramirez would be here if we played in Scotland? The Liebherrs didn't buy us because they loved Southampton and it was a dream come true, they saw a chance to buy a club at a cheap price and get it back to the gravy train that is the premier league. If you took SFC as it is now into the SPL, yes we probably would come in the top 2 but If Southampton was and always had been a city in Scotland we'd be like Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs.

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In terms of success? Isn't success defined by the number of trophies, your fan base and history or am I missing something. What is success then? Are we more successful than Man U because we are running with only a few million of debt rather than 10s of millions?

 

And don't delude yourself into thinking we'd be the biggest club in Scotland if we were there. Do think Cortese and the ML would have been interested if we were in Scotland? Do you think Ramirez would be here if we played in Scotland? The Liebherrs didn't buy us because they loved Southampton and it was a dream come true, they saw a chance to buy a club at a cheap price and get it back to the gravy train that is the premier league. If you took SFC as it is now into the SPL, yes we probably would come in the top 2 but If Southampton was and always had been a city in Scotland we'd be like Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs.

very true. I have never thought of us as a super club, we are just a good sized provincial club. if we are successful we will get good crowds, if not we will be back to the hardcore fanbase plus a few. No different to 99% of British clubs. No shame in that.
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So we were only formed in 2009 then? Southampton leisure holdings no longer exist and we are owned by a new company, effectively a new club. So we have 0 FA cups our name and no history before 2009.

 

Nope. Our Football Club was owned by Southampton Leisure Holdings and the ownership was transferred to the Liebherr Group.

 

Rangers Football Club was folded and it's playing contracts and assets were passed to a new business who happened to call them Rangers too....

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they are massive clubs due to 2 things. Religious bigotry and winning trophies every season from day one. Yes they are massive clubs but it is nothing to do with football or how great their fans are. It is catholic you support Celtic , protestant you support Rangers. the hatred ingrained in that makes them passionate.Let in stay contained in Scotland thank-you

 

In a nutshell. Perhaps the answer to our stadium expansion is to go for the fundamentalist religion dollar, it's a thought...

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As ever the king of the WUM's (Alpine) starts a thread about some prat who reckons that it would be a good idea if his Scottish 3rd div team were to be included in a Super League !

Nobody (neither Rangers nor Celtic!) has applied for this to happen and probably never will ! It is hypothetical nonsense !

Charles Green is sad and delusional with an axe to grind, so he spouts off rubbish to get attention !

I guess that Alpine was looking in the mirror when this great idea for a thread idea popped into his mind !

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Would be interesting to find out what real Rangers fans think because from what I gather, they can't stand the bloke either. He has got an axe to grind because he thought he was going to take them over for a pittance and he was going to make a lot of money out of it. Thankfully the Scottish leagues and FA have a damn sight more balls than ours and he was left with a basket case. They probablyalso don't like him because he's English.

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And I'm not quite sure what Chelsea have to do win anything. Nonsense to say they'd be in L2 if it wasn't for Abramovich. They were in the premier league before he arrived.

 

They were just about to go bust before Abramovich arrived. Thats why they appointed Trevor Birch, an insolvency practitioner, as chief exec earlier in that season, to buy time with the banks. Would have been interesting to see what would have happened if they had beaten Pompey to the title of first Premier League club to go bust

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I love how certain people are so knowledgeable about EVERYTHING. If you want to know something they will freely give you their opinion. It is so helpful to have their common sense available to cut through all the crap that the majority spew....

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As ever the king of the WUM's (Alpine) starts a thread about some prat who reckons that it would be a good idea if his Scottish 3rd div team were to be included in a Super League !

Nobody (neither Rangers nor Celtic!) has applied for this to happen and probably never will ! It is hypothetical nonsense !

Charles Green is sad and delusional with an axe to grind, so he spouts off rubbish to get attention !

I guess that Alpine was looking in the mirror when this great idea for a thread idea popped into his mind !

 

What an odd, paranoid, agenda-driven post.

 

I created this thread because I was deeply annoyed at a very delusional arrogant man putting the team I love down in the national media.

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Green's just having a dig because we cancelled the pre-season friendly with them in the summer for the ML tourney.

 

To quote my Scottish hibs supporting mate ... Who has joined me in being a season ticket holder for the past 3 years...

 

"I hope they f**king die in Div 3, Like a dead prossa dumped in a bin. That's all he is. A s**t pimp."

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Green's just having a dig because we cancelled the pre-season friendly with them in the summer for the ML tourney.

 

To quote my Scottish hibs supporting mate ... Who has joined me in being a season ticket holder for the past 3 years...

 

"I hope they f**king die in Div 3, Like a dead prossa dumped in a bin. That's all he is. A s**t pimp."

 

What do you expect he's a Hibs fan, he's not going to be having a love in with Rangers is he.

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