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alpine_saint

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What a c**t.

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/9982396.Rangers_chief_brands_Saints_a__small_team_/

 

What is this delusion of granduer about Scottish football ? No-one outside Scotland (except a few select sectarian areas of Ulster) gives a shiny sh*te for Sweatie football.

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Thanks for the English lesson, Ted.
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This Charming Man

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What a c**t.

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/9982396.Rangers_chief_brands_Saints_a__small_team_/

 

What is this delusion of granduer about Scottish football ? No-one outside Scotland (a few select sectarian areas of Ulster) give a shiny sh*te for Sweatie football.

 

That's not strictly true, Rangers and Celtic have some of the largest global fan bases in football. Whilst they're stuck down in Div.3 for now, give it a few years and all will be forgotten and order shall be restored up there.

 

Oh and we are a small club in the grand scheme of things and fans of the likes of Arsenal and Man Utd probably do moan about playing us, like people on here belittled the likes of Yeovil, Bournemouth etc when we played them.

 

He does have a point, though I'm not going to complain too much as we're financially benefiting off the work from the bigger clubs in English football. This comment did make me laugh though;

 

“How can Manchester United’s revenues be £320million and Aston Villa, who are completely useless, get £250m?"

 

 

 

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That's not strictly true, Rangers and Celtic have some of the largest global fan bases in football. Whilst they're stuck down in Div.3 for now, give it a few years and all will be forgotten and order shall be restored up there.

 

Oh and we are a small club in the grand scheme of things and fans of the likes of Arsenal and Man Utd probably do moan about playing us, like people on here belittled the likes of Yeovil, Bournemouth etc when we played them.

 

He does have a point, though I'm not going to complain too much as we're financially benefiting off the work from the bigger clubs in English football. This comment did make me laugh though;

 

“How can Manchester United’s revenues be £320million and Aston Villa, who are completely useless, get £250m?"

 

 

 

 

I'd like you to corroborate that statement.

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He's off his head IMO. It's fairly obvious that a European super league will never happen. It's one thing for away fans to get a coach a couple of hundred miles up or down the country every other weekend, but can anyone seriously expect fans to be flying to Germany, Italy, Spain etc.. 19 times a season? Totally unreasonable.

 

I think he also has delusions of grandeur regarding Scottish football. Yes, Rangers and Celtic have large and fiercely loyal followings, but take those teams out of that tinpot league they play in and into the English leagues and they too would end up becoming the exact kind of teams that he is being so critical of.

 

I don't know why I am surprised. People within the football bubble live in a different universe from the rest of us - I gave up expecting any kind of reason or sense from anybody connected to it long ago.

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He seems pretty bitter about a lot of things to be honest but his idea of man u etc all getting more money from tv rights "because theyre bigger" would make the league 100x more unfair than it is currently. we dont want the EPL to be a joke of a league like the SPL became!

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I'm sure he's right that the likes of Arsenal and Man Utd's fans aren't massively excited by playing us, Swansea etc, however he fails to see that apart from the very top European knock out games, most European competition leaves fans fairly uninterested as well. Compare Man City's home crowd against us at the start of the season, compared to their crowd against Dortmund the other week? I think even those chasing the money at the top of the Premier League realise that part of the appeal of the Prem is the way it is currently set up. I can see why Rangers are desperate to get involved though.

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They might have huge world wide fanbases etc, but i dont think an arsenal or united fan would really give a t*ss about playing celtic or rangers like greene suggests. It just seems like a pre-season friendly fixture.

 

Which needs a lot of cleaning up afterwards after the home leg.

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Whilst I share the view that the scottish 'giants', are not really all that big, I do think a European super league will happen one day. The clubs won't really care about fans travelling. Increasingly it is beginning to feel like the only reason to have fans at all is to give some atmosphere for the TV audience to hear.

 

The champions league is a halfway house, and the use of the word league was very signficant. Top 4 to 6 from the EPL-- 3 or 4 from each of Italy, Spain, Germany, and you have a proper league. Not sure Celtic or rangers would get in.

 

What is more it wouldnt worry me one jot. Let them bugger off and leave the rest, real football clubs playing in front of local crowds.

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Whilst I share the view that the scottish 'giants', are not really all that big, I do think a European super league will happen one day. The clubs won't really care about fans travelling. Increasingly it is beginning to feel like the only reason to have fans at all is to give some atmosphere for the TV audience to hear.

 

The champions league is a halfway house, and the use of the word league was very signficant. Top 4 to 6 from the EPL-- 3 or 4 from each of Italy, Spain, Germany, and you have a proper league. Not sure Celtic or rangers would get in.

 

What is more it wouldnt worry me one jot. Let them bugger off and leave the rest, real football clubs playing in front of local crowds.

 

How many non-prequal CL places do they currently get ? I am guessing none. No way they will get in an Euro Super League

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Rangers are obviously a prime candidate for a league of the best European teams, they're a huge draw...

 

I mean, it's not like their best player would ever leave them on a free and join a 'small' club like Saints right?

 

Oh.

 

Didnt he play for Villa once too ?

 

Probably explains why he singled the two clubs out - sour grapes about him.

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Rangers are obviously a prime candidate for a league of the best European teams, they're a huge draw...

 

I mean, it's not like their best player would ever leave them on a free and join a 'small' club like Saints right?

 

Oh.

 

Are they though? Do mainland Europe really give a toss about Rangers or Scottish Football.

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He's off his head IMO. It's fairly obvious that a European super league will never happen. It's one thing for away fans to get a coach a couple of hundred miles up or down the country every other weekend, but can anyone seriously expect fans to be flying to Germany, Italy, Spain etc.. 19 times a season? Totally unreasonable.

 

I think he also has delusions of grandeur regarding Scottish football. Yes, Rangers and Celtic have large and fiercely loyal followings, but take those teams out of that tinpot league they play in and into the English leagues and they too would end up becoming the exact kind of teams that he is being so critical of.

 

I don't know why I am surprised. People within the football bubble live in a different universe from the rest of us - I gave up expecting any kind of reason or sense from anybody connected to it long ago.

 

 

'Fans' will be the last consideration when a European league starts-up, which is pretty much inevitable over time. It's all about TV + ADVERTISING = MONEY, and the fans are nowhere in their considerations. It will just be a larger scale version of the PL really.

 

We already have a de-facto European League anyway, the CL, and I don't see any too many of those fans complaining.

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'Fans' will be the last consideration when a European league starts-up, which is pretty much inevitable over time. It's all about TV + ADVERTISING = MONEY, and the fans are nowhere in their considerations. It will just be a larger scale version of the PL really.

 

We already have a de-facto European League anyway, the CL, and I don't see any too many of those fans complaining.

You see what sort of crowds a lot of the CL games get?
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He's far too derogatory about other clubs and stresses far too much importance in the stature of Celtic and Rangers. If they were such global brands they would have for more money. They have some very passionate local fans and they both easily fill 50k against anyone but they are not Man Utd and there are not Japanese or Africans running around in Celtic shirts.

 

He also completely ignores the fact the the major draw of the Premier League is partly due to it's competitiveness. Whilst yeh the title will be one of City, Utd, Chelsea, possibly Arsenal. There are no easy games, Rangers and Celtic have easy games all the time, the same problem is happening in Spain and Italy, they give the big clubs all the TV money and they walk over the rest of the league. Last year Real Madrid were champions on 100pts, Barcelona 2nd on 91 pts. Valencia came third on 61pts, a full 30 pts behind the second place team and 39 behind the champions! To put that in perspective, Fulham finished 9th in the EPL last year, they were 37 points behind City. In 2010/11 Wolves finished 17th on 40pts and Man Utd won the league on 80. A lot of this is due to the equal share of TV money.

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What's your point?
I think it was fairly obvious in response to you posting this "already have a de-facto European League anyway, the CL, and I don't see any too many of those fans complaining." Clearly Man City fans were "complaining" the other week, as a lot less of them went to watch them play against Dortmund than attended the game against us at the start of the season.
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Even talking about a European Super League is just pointless. It would be far too exclusive, players would spend even longer travelling and clubs would be spending much more money each season.

 

Maybe Charles Green should focus on Rangers topping the Scotland Pub League before spouting off about them joining the ranks of European footballing powerhouses.

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Rangers & Celtic have huge followings overseas and would pack out Ibrox and Parkhead for home games, as well as sell every allocation for away games, in a European superleague but they are living in LaLa land if they think anyone really gives a flying fu.ck about playing them.

 

To the vast majority it has the same cache as AEK or Galatasary.

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I think that Mr Green needs to realise that if a European League was going to happen it would have happened by now so he is going to have to find another way to get out of the dung into which their spendthrift ways and incompetent/ dodgy chairmen have dropped them.

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Some of the comments on here are mental. Rangers and Celtic are massive clubs with massive fan bases. The only thing holding them back is the country they play in. If there was a British league they would be bigger than most English clubs, probably only Man United would be bigger. They'd fill their away ends in every ground in the country. They might both be poor at the moment and Celtic would be lucky to be a midtable premier league club, but the fact remains they are huge clubs and continue to get to massive support depsite the poor standards of their teams and Scottish football in general. Rangers got 49k a world record crowd for a fourth tier match this season! 49K in a league which is probably worse the same standard as the conference south!

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Some of the comments on here are mental. Rangers and Celtic are massive clubs with massive fan bases. The only thing holding them back is the country they play in. If there was a British league they would be bigger than most English clubs, probably only Man United would be bigger. They'd fill their away ends in every ground in the country. They might both be poor at the moment and Celtic would be lucky to be a midtable premier league club, but the fact remains they are huge clubs and continue to get to massive support depsite the poor standards of their teams and Scottish football in general. Rangers got 49k a world record crowd for a fourth tier match this season! 49K in a league which is probably worse the same standard as the conference south!

 

 

But surely Turkish.....the success of a team is what they do on the pitch, not how many people they get through the turnstiles. When they get back into the SPL - and win something they can brag a bit.

 

I don't think they are even PL top 6. Looking back at those (rare) occasions when Rangers or Celtic drew English clubs in some Euro. competition, I can't recall the Scots winning too often this side of the border?

 

Finally ...their " past successes " (that means winning SPL every other season) never seems to be repeated when they end up as bottom team in their Euro group...and let's not forget that the reason they are in SC3 is that they overspent disasterously and went bankrupt.....Throwing big money into a black hole is called the " Portsmouth Syndrome " down here.

 

If Chelsea hadn't been baled out by their Russian saviour, they'd probably have been in L2 by now.

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But surely Turkish.....the success of a team is what they do on the pitch, not how many people they get through the turnstiles. When they get back into the SPL - and win something they can brag a bit.

 

I don't think they are even PL top 6. Looking back at those (rare) occasions when Rangers or Celtic drew English clubs in some Euro. competition, I can't recall the Scots winning too often this side of the border?

 

Finally ...their " past successes " (that means winning SPL every other season) never seems to be repeated when they end up as bottom team in their Euro group...and let's not forget that the reason they are in SC3 is that they overspent disasterously and went bankrupt.....Throwing big money into a black hole is called the " Portsmouth Syndrome " down here.

 

If Chelsea hadn't been baled out by their Russian saviour, they'd have n in L2 by now.

 

Celtic and Rangers are big clubs no matter what they do on the pitch

 

 

I meet loads of their supporters where ever I go but very few Saints ones out side Hampshire

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what size of gate do they get in Scottish League 3 btw ?

Interesting question, they are averaging nearly 47000 so far this season, actually higher than their home average for the past 2 seasons. I don't think anyone can beat Rangers with that particular stick, 47000 to watch 2 Sunday League standard teams is quite good really. Still, not much else to do in Glasgow I suppose :-)

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Interesting question, they are averaging nearly 47000 so far this season, actually higher than their home average for the past 2 seasons. I don't think anyone can beat Rangers with that particular stick, 47000 to watch 2 Sunday League standard teams is quite good really. Still, not much else to do in Glasgow I suppose :-)

 

Must be heroin supply issues.

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What a c**t.

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/9982396.Rangers_chief_brands_Saints_a__small_team_/

 

What is this delusion of granduer about Scottish football ? No-one outside Scotland (a few select sectarian areas of Ulster) give a shiny sh*te for Sweatie football.

 

First post of yours I have ever agreed with.

 

He sounds like a completely deluded ****.

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But surely Turkish.....the success of a team is what they do on the pitch, not how many people they get through the turnstiles. When they get back into the SPL - and win something they can brag a bit.

 

I don't think they are even PL top 6. Looking back at those (rare) occasions when Rangers or Celtic drew English clubs in some Euro. competition, I can't recall the Scots winning too often this side of the border?

 

Finally ...their " past successes " (that means winning SPL every other season) never seems to be repeated when they end up as bottom team in their Euro group...and let's not forget that the reason they are in SC3 is that they overspent disasterously and went bankrupt.....Throwing big money into a black hole is called the " Portsmouth Syndrome " down here.

 

If Chelsea hadn't been baled out by their Russian saviour, they'd probably have been in L2 by now.

 

I didn't say success I said size. Rangers got 49,000 for a Scottish third division game, that is more than most top flight clubs get in the top European leagues. As I said they are held back in terms of European success due to playing in a small country with a poor standard of football. If they played in England they'd be able to attract players and sponsorship deals up there with the best in the world and would undoubtedly be a top 4 club.

 

And I'm not quite sure what Chelsea have to do win anything. They are traditionally a big club as well. They were a glamour club in the 60s and 70s, had a tough time in the 80s but from the 90s onwards have been a big club. Nonsense to say they'd be in L2 if it wasn't for Abramovich. They were in the premie league before he arrived.

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Interesting question, they are averaging nearly 47000 so far this season, actually higher than their home average for the past 2 seasons. I don't think anyone can beat Rangers with that particular stick, 47000 to watch 2 Sunday League standard teams is quite good really. Still, not much else to do in Glasgow I suppose :-)

 

Im sure your comment was a joke but I go to Glasgow regularly for work, in fact I was up there this week and have a number of people I know through work who live there who I would now consider friends. It's a fantastic city. Like every big city it has it's trouble spots and unsavoury characters but it's a great place to visit and a number of people I work with have moved there from England. I must admit if the right role came up I'd consider it as well.

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Because this forum is full of utter helmets.

AS I have sad many times on this board..I have been all over the world..and rangers/celtic shirts/scarfs/fan clubs etc are just behind Man United for visibility IMO....

certainly, easily on par with Liverpool and arsenal IMO

 

Rangers with Celtic are giants in football

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