Viking Warrior Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 Not sure what is going on about the 7 marines in Helmand provence http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19918398 I know there are laws about when you can shoot an insurgent but at the end of the day if the insurgent/taliban is about to kill you or civilians I would know what action I would take. Im not sure why this story has been released to the press. It should have been kept confidential until the in vestigation is completed. Now the more radical muslim groups and the taliban will go on the offensive against nato and british troops . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 These fellas are Plymouth based.. It happened a while ago and apparently the mod plod knew about it... It's only because our civvy police have been made aware somehow that of course... It has to be investigated... It could be nothing as our rules of engagement are so strict... EG.. He could have been shot from 200 meters away after having literally just put down his weapon.... Or it could have been out right murder... But like I said, apparently the MOD plod knew about it and were dealing with it in private so no false outrage by lilly livered liberals is cast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 12 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 October, 2012 I see if they are found guilty of what happened they will not be tried in a british court , which means they will face trial in the country the offence took place in. "As the alleged incident took place outside the country, it is understood the Royal Marines accused will not be subject to UK courts." I could mention Danny Fitzsimmons ex para who was hired by G4S to work in Iraq. he should never have been hired,. he killed two collegues but now rots in an iraqi jail. He should serve his sentence in a UK Prison not in Iraq. G4S and the government have let this guy down . , Sounds like the samemay happen to to Royal Marines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 12 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 October, 2012 And then there is the Case of Sgt Mark Leader. And it was there that his 18-year career, during which he reached the rank of sergeant, would come to an ignominious end, after a moment’s misjudgment. A hitherto exemplary and unblemished record counted for nothing, it seemed, when set against a regrettable but relatively minor assault on an Afghan prisoner. Sgt Leader, 34, along with 45 Commando colleague Captain Jody Wheelhouse, was thrown out of the Royal Marines for hitting a suspected Taliban bomber with a wellington boot. Mohammed Ekhlas had earlier been detained by Marines who spotted four men ‘digging in’ a roadside bomb near a British base in Helmand province. Yet again the lilly livered Liberals got their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 I could mention Danny Fitzsimmons ex para who was hired by G4S to work in Iraq. he should never have been hired,. he killed two collegues but now rots in an iraqi jail. He should serve his sentence in a UK Prison not in Iraq. G4S and the government have let this guy down . , Sounds like the samemay happen to to Royal Marines Sorry but I disagree with that. Yes it appears there were warnings associated with his hiring which were ignored, but the fact remains he was contracted to a private company rather than the armed forces, and therefore he should face the justice system in the country where the crime took place. Just as it should be for any other civilian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 And then there is the Case of Sgt Mark Leader. And it was there that his 18-year career, during which he reached the rank of sergeant, would come to an ignominious end, after a moment’s misjudgment. A hitherto exemplary and unblemished record counted for nothing, it seemed, when set against a regrettable but relatively minor assault on an Afghan prisoner. Sgt Leader, 34, along with 45 Commando colleague Captain Jody Wheelhouse, was thrown out of the Royal Marines for hitting a suspected Taliban bomber with a wellington boot. Mohammed Ekhlas had earlier been detained by Marines who spotted four men ‘digging in’ a roadside bomb near a British base in Helmand province. Yet again the lilly livered Liberals got their way. Yeh shame everyone's not all as hard as you service men eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 12 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 October, 2012 Mickn its not about being hard and if you knew me then you would have a different view. I was in the RAMC and have seen both sides of conflict. yes some guys step out of line but you want to experience some of the provacation these guys have to tolerate. I remember in one of my tours in NI . I took an injured member of the IRA to musgrave park for treatment. Went for a coffee and sarnie in the resturant area only to be spat at and sworn at by some catholic nurses in the resturant area. yet we are all medics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 It just annoys me that anyone who dares question the behaviour of members of the forces is called 'lilly livered liberals', why is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 It just annoys me that anyone who dares question the behaviour of members of the forces is called 'lilly livered liberals', why is this? because people are lazy and it makes it easier to create a strawman argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 because people are lazy and it makes it easier to create a strawman argument. Or perhaps those who have worn a uniform and seen combat understand the split second decisions people have to make that can have fatal consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 (edited) Or perhaps those who have worn a uniform and seen combat understand the split second decisions people have to make that can have fatal consequences. What's that got to do with labelling people "lilly livered Liberals"? The Armed Forces have to be accountable. Those on the front line do an incredibly difficult job but they can't be given carte blanche to do whatever the like. If there is a suggestion that certain individuals have crossed the line and acted illegally then it needs to be fully investigated. I can't see how that position can be controversial or cause someone to be labelled as a "lilly livered Liberal". Edited 12 October, 2012 by anothersaintinsouthsea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 You should be proud that we have civilised rules of engagement, and concern for human rights. It's one of many things that makes us a great nation with an admirable armed forces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 What's that got to do with labelling people "lilly livered Liberals"? The Armed Forces have to be accountable. Those on the front line do an incredibly difficult job but they can't be given carte blanche to do whatever the like. If there is a suggestion that certain individuals have crossed the line and acted illegally then it needs to be fully investigated. I can't see how that position can be controversial or cause someone to be labelled as a "lilly livered Liberal". Have to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 You should be proud that we have civilised rules of engagement, and concern for human rights. It's one of many things that makes us a great nation with an admirable armed forces. Exactly. Worth noting that the person who brought this incident to light was a serving Royal Marine that had been on the same delopyment - presumably he knows far better that any on here that "those who have worn a uniform and seen combat understand the split second decisions people have to make that can have fatal consequences" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 What's that got to do with labelling people "lilly livered Liberals"? The Armed Forces have to be accountable. Those on the front line do an incredibly difficult job but they can't be given carte blanche to do whatever the like. If there is a suggestion that certain individuals have crossed the line and acted illegally then it needs to be fully investigated. I can't see how that position can be controversial or cause someone to be labelled as a "lilly livered Liberal". I wouldn't worry about it. It's just one of many labels that TDD likes to throw at people whose world view differs from his. According to him, the fact that I once showed some concern for human rights makes me a 'yogurt-knitter'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 Or perhaps those who have worn a uniform and seen combat understand the split second decisions people have to make that can have fatal consequences. I have a nice cushty desk job and don't have much trouble understanding that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 I'd like to comment on this without sneering from Viking Warrior and TDD... I find this news disgraceful. As Martin Sheen's character says in Apocalypse now, prosecuting soldiers for murder in a war is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500. And I am fed up with how the Army High Command throws its people to the wolves in order to keep cosy with the PC-motivated MoD, in order to keep their cosy pensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 Mickn its not about being hard and if you knew me then you would have a different view. I was in the RAMC and have seen both sides of conflict. yes some guys step out of line but you want to experience some of the provacation these guys have to tolerate. I remember in one of my tours in NI . I took an injured member of the IRA to musgrave park for treatment. Went for a coffee and sarnie in the resturant area only to be spat at and sworn at by some catholic nurses in the resturant area. yet we are all medics. You're a better man than me. I would have brought my rifle butt down between his eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambsaint Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 If we send troops to Afghanistan to kill insurgents in an unjustifiable war, then why are we surprised if they kill? Kill or be killed, if in a combat area. The whole thing seems ludicrous to me unless it was downright murder such as happened in WW2 when the SS imprisoned captured BEF troops in a barn and machine gunned them all, near Dunkirk. So unless he had his hands up and was clearly surrendering and beyond reasonable doubt not concealing a suicide bomb then no way it should be murder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 What's that got to do with labelling people "lilly livered Liberals"? The Armed Forces have to be accountable. Those on the front line do an incredibly difficult job but they can't be given carte blanche to do whatever the like. If there is a suggestion that certain individuals have crossed the line and acted illegally then it needs to be fully investigated. I can't see how that position can be controversial or cause someone to be labelled as a "lilly livered Liberal". Like me, you havent got a clue about the stress of being in a war zone. Drop it. This isnt like that Yank bird who premeditatedly abused prisoners over a period of time by dragging them round on dogs leads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 If we send troops to Afghanistan to kill insurgents in an unjustifiable war, then why are we surprised if they kill? Kill or be killed, if in a combat area. The whole thing seems ludicrous to me unless it was downright murder such as happened in WW2 when the SS imprisoned captured BEF troops in a barn and machine gunned them all, near Dunkirk. So unless he had his hands up and was clearly surrendering and beyond reasonable doubt not concealing a suicide bomb then no way it should be murder Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 If we send troops to Afghanistan to kill insurgents in an unjustifiable war, then why are we surprised if they kill? Kill or be killed, if in a combat area. The whole thing seems ludicrous to me unless it was downright murder such as happened in WW2 when the SS imprisoned captured BEF troops in a barn and machine gunned them all, near Dunkirk. So unless he had his hands up and was clearly surrendering and beyond reasonable doubt not concealing a suicide bomb then no way it should be murder The fact that they have been arrested having apparently been reported by a fellow marine would suggest that there is far more to this than a simple case of confusion surrounding the ROE. Wearing a military uniform does not equate to having a licence to kill indiscriminately, and if British soldiers are abusing their position in a region where we are supposed to be 'winning hearts and minds' then I for one am glad they are being brought to account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 (edited) The fact that they have been arrested having apparently been reported by a fellow marine would suggest that there is far more to this than a simple case of confusion surrounding the ROE. Wearing a military uniform does not equate to having a licence to kill indiscriminately, and if British soldiers are abusing their position in a region where we are supposed to be 'winning hearts and minds' then I for one am glad they are being brought to account. not true...but what has been thought you "can" be arrested for the following scenario... a nutjob insurgent is laying down fire, at you..trying to end your life and those around you..he could have killed your mates that were a matter of feet away from say, 200 meter....he then stands up and thows down his weapon and literally a few sceconds later (from 200 meters away) you fill him full of lead....and then his family complain to the international and film the bit where you have filled him full of lead whist he (the insurgent) was empty handed...it is on youtube and other sites.... bingo, you look like a murderer and in your eyes bexy....abusing the ROE Edited 12 October, 2012 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Trubble Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 I saw a former marine on the tv last night. I was staggered that if they were attacked by the Taliban etc, that as soon as the attacker drops his weapon they can't shoot him. He said that even if the attacker had shot one of their colleagues a split second before, then it was still not acceptable to kill him if he dropped his weapon. The rules he discussed reminded me of some stupid game we'd play at primary school and then argue about with comments like "that doesn't count because of so and so" Utterly pathetic and impossible to work in a practical/live environment; regardless of training. He went on to say that the Taliban would probably have these rules and just exploit them to their own gain. I switched it off at this point as I realised the world has gone mad. If I were a soldier I would do my service and get the **** out of there as they/you are all being **** on from a great height. I would imagine this is another political stunt so that we can say how fantasically British we are, and how we are always fair and so forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 Like me, you havent got a clue about the stress of being in a war zone. Drop it. This isnt like that Yank bird who premeditatedly abused prisoners over a period of time by dragging them round on dogs leads. eh? drop what? I'm not making any judgement on the conduct of the individuals involved or anyone else in the frontline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 12 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 October, 2012 Bexy it wasnt a fellow Marine who reported it. Another Marine who was being investigated for something entirely different and the civvy plods took away his lap top. and then viewed the footage that was on it. And that is what led to the charges against the 7 marines being laid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 Bexy it wasnt a fellow Marine who reported it. Another Marine who was being investigated for something entirely different and the civvy plods took away his lap top. and then viewed the footage that was on it. And that is what led to the charges against the 7 marines being laid. Ah OK, I was only going by this... Worth noting that the person who brought this incident to light was a serving Royal Marine that had been on the same delopyment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 Ah OK, I was only going by this... That's how it was being reported in some media outlets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 12 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 October, 2012 Meant to add 3 commando brigade lost 23 men during that tour with many more injured. So basically war is ugly. O and look at the Taliban insurgent the other week . we he made out he was injured , two soldiers went to give him first aid and he shot them dead at point blank range, Is he going to be charge with murder. I doubt it. Yet again british soldiers are being hung out to dry by the governent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 That's how it was being reported in some media outlets. its wrong....FACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 We just need to pull out of that sh!t hole asap. The only people who should stand trial are the politicians who put our young soldiers in such a pointless situation. We could stay there 50 years and it will still be a violent tribal sh!thole when we leave. Just do it now and let them get on with whatever they want to do. They are no threat to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 its wrong....FACT Don't deny it just pointing out why it had been said earlier in the thread...FACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 And then there is the Case of Sgt Mark Leader. And it was there that his 18-year career, during which he reached the rank of sergeant, would come to an ignominious end, after a moment’s misjudgment. A hitherto exemplary and unblemished record counted for nothing, it seemed, when set against a regrettable but relatively minor assault on an Afghan prisoner. Sgt Leader, 34, along with 45 Commando colleague Captain Jody Wheelhouse, was thrown out of the Royal Marines for hitting a suspected Taliban bomber with a wellington boot. Mohammed Ekhlas had earlier been detained by Marines who spotted four men ‘digging in’ a roadside bomb near a British base in Helmand province. Yet again the lilly livered Liberals got their way. My mate no knew him and mentioned him after seeing this recent news story. He's spitting feathers about this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 Meant to add 3 commando brigade lost 23 men during that tour with many more injured. So basically war is ugly. O and look at the Taliban insurgent the other week . we he made out he was injured , two soldiers went to give him first aid and he shot them dead at point blank range, Is he going to be charge with murder. I doubt it. Yet again british soldiers are being hung out to dry by the governent Would people rather the British army (or in this case navy) used the same tactics? It's like everything a line has to be drawn somewhere that's what the RoE are for and what seperates the British armed forces from scum like the Taliban (or the SS). The armed forces of a democracy need to be accountable IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 Would people rather the British army (or in this case navy) used the same tactics? It's like everything a line has to be drawn somewhere that's what the RoE are for and what seperates the British armed forces from scum like the Taliban (or the SS). The armed forces of a democracy need to be accountable IMO. From the restrictive Roe to the SS and Nazis is world's apart... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 From what I have read about Iraq and Afganistan the ROE mean they are trying to do a job with one hand tied behind their back. The problem is it doesn't take long for the enemy to work out exactly what the rules are and they use them to their advantage and exploit them ruthlessly. It's not a game of chess here, these guys lives are at stake so I don't blame any of them for bending the rules a bit. I read this account of some brits holed up in some dump in Iraq. they were getting mortared daily and the guy organising it was stood right in front of their compound on his mobile laughing while he directed the mortars. Their ROE said they couldn't kill him because he was unarmed and he knew he was untouchable. By chance some Yanks ended up holed up with them, next time they were getting mortared they just blew his head off. The enemy also quickly learned the range of the weapons the Brits had, unfortunately for them the Yanks had better sniper rifles and took out another load of guys who were unarmed but communicating with the mortar team. The Yanks also had access to air support the Brits didn't and blew the sh!t out of the mortar team. We shouldn't be over there, that country is not worth one of our men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 From what I have read about Iraq and Afganistan the ROE mean they are trying to do a job with one hand tied behind their back. The problem is it doesn't take long for the enemy to work out exactly what the rules are and they use them to their advantage and exploit them ruthlessly. It's not a game of chess here, these guys lives are at stake so I don't blame any of them for bending the rules a bit. I read this account of some brits holed up in some dump in Iraq. they were getting mortared daily and the guy organising it was stood right in front of their compound on his mobile laughing while he directed the mortars. Their ROE said they couldn't kill him because he was unarmed and he knew he was untouchable. By chance some Yanks ended up holed up with them, next time they were getting mortared they just blew his head off. The enemy also quickly learned the range of the weapons the Brits had, unfortunately for them the Yanks had better sniper rifles and took out another load of guys who were unarmed but communicating with the mortar team. The Yanks also had access to air support the Brits didn't and blew the sh!t out of the mortar team. We shouldn't be over there, that country is not worth one of our men. The problem is with this type of asymmetric warfare body count isn't what wins wars you're trying to deprive the insurgents of their civilan support base it's all about hearts and minds. That's why the RoE have to be strict shoot one unarmed local you thought was an insurgent (but wasn't) and you could undo months of goodwill work with the local population. The Americans, in Nam, and the Rhodesians were untouchable in a stand up fight yet still couldn't win their respective wars for lack of strong local support. The British army wrote the book on defeating an insurgency with the Malayan emergency it's all about the right mix of brute force and hearts and minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 The problem is with this type of asymmetric warfare body count isn't what wins wars you're trying to deprive the insurgents of their civilan support base it's all about hearts and minds. That's why the RoE have to be strict shoot one unarmed local you thought was an insurgent (but wasn't) and you could undo months of goodwill work with the local population. The Americans, in Nam, and the Rhodesians were untouchable in a stand up fight yet still couldn't win their respective wars for lack of strong local support. The British army wrote the book on defeating an insurgency with the Malayan emergency it's all about the right mix of brute force and hearts and minds. Totally agree, I would just trust our soldiers to make the judgement Also this is an American led war, any attempt to be nice to the locals needs to work alongside the fact that the Yanks are going around blowing sh!t up and we are seen as the same by the enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 14 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 14 October, 2012 I'm not sure what thread this should be on whether the Peado or on here. How come the bbc are concentrating on the marine story . Sounds like the Bbc are burying their **** onthe marines story re thereof own sex scandal . I am a cynic but the era of their dj's is far more evil than what ever the marines did . The Bbc need to be disbanded they no Longer have any credibilty or honesty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 15 October, 2012 Share Posted 15 October, 2012 I'm not sure what thread this should be on whether the Peado or on here. How come the bbc are concentrating on the marine story . Sounds like the Bbc are burying their **** onthe marines story re thereof own sex scandal . I am a cynic but the era of their dj's is far more evil than what ever the marines did . The Bbc need to be disbanded they no Longer have any credibilty or honesty I've been an advocate of the BBC losing their charter for years. They no longer serve the British public with news coverage and programming, its all self-serving and politically motivated. And all the quality elements, like some of the best telecommunication engineers in the world, have been subcontracted out because they are too expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 October, 2012 Share Posted 15 October, 2012 I've been an advocate of the BBC losing their charter for years. They no longer serve the British public with news coverage and programming, its all self-serving and politically motivated. And all the quality elements, like some of the best telecommunication engineers in the world, have been subcontracted out because they are too expensive. And I suppose you come at this in a position of knowledge since you experience the daily output of their programming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 15 October, 2012 Share Posted 15 October, 2012 Get a grip, far far more news coverage has been given to Savile than this case. Anyway, it is news worthy and should be covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambol2K9 Posted 15 October, 2012 Share Posted 15 October, 2012 I don't know how some people can have such a strong opinion either way on this without having any idea what was alleged to have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 October, 2012 Share Posted 15 October, 2012 (edited) Then rumour going around in Plymouth is that the insurgent was shot and injured after trying to kill these lads... They were unsure if to approach him to offer medical treatment IAW the Geneva convention... But they chose not to approach him due to the rise in IEDs in the area and suicide bombings... So they put him out of his misery so to speak. APPARENTLY Edited 15 October, 2012 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 15 October, 2012 Share Posted 15 October, 2012 So they shot a wounded unarmed man........I could see why that might not go down well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 15 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 15 October, 2012 I agree Gambol. Its only certain elements of the story that have been leaked to the press. And the journ's make it something more sinister than it is. Still the taleban are nice people afterall shooting a 14 year old lass is a really cool thing to do in their minds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 15 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 15 October, 2012 Its not the first time a wounded enemy has been shot to put them out of their misery . I know of one argie that had catrosphic injuries and was on fire in the Falklands, . the british forces couldnt get to him so they did the humane thing. As for the taliban , they dont give a toss about british forces. We might have patched him up but he would have been out on the streets again laying IED's or trying to kill british troops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 October, 2012 Share Posted 15 October, 2012 So they shot a wounded unarmed man........I could see why that might not go down well Maybe... But there was and is the very real threat of suicide bombings... Who is to say that they suspected him to be like that in that split second.... Finished him off before someone else tries to help him and he murders others... It's a murky one... One that the mod plod were dealing with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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