doddisalegend Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Yet another (ex)footballer who reckons there is still racism in football....it seems David James has been very lucky with regards to racism issues in his career Here, Richard Langley, an English-born Jamaican international who played for QPR, Cardiff City and Luton Town during a 12-year career in the Football League, writes about his experiences of racism in the game and discusses what should be done to stamp it out. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20028336 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 I just think this whole issue is getting blown out of all proportion...rio and co are making this a bigger deal than there needs to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 I just think this whole issue is getting blown out of all proportion...rio and co are making this a bigger deal than there needs to be. 100% agree as I said earlier they want racism in football so they can say look what the nasty white man did to me. When all he did was nutmeg him and let him make himself look foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 What I'm saying is its a great thing that this is the case. And it also proves that all the nonsense spouted by certain individuals is that football is racist, black managers don't get a chance and everyone has it in for them is a lot of boll*cks as many of us on here have said in the past and been shouted down. David James says why there aren't many black managers and that is becaus there aren't many putting themselves forward to do it. It's as simple as that. Individuals plural saying football is racist, not that there's racism in football, football is racist. Apparently several people here have said that Or are you just saying that somebody somewhere has said it? You've argued on here with people who aren't even here and been shouted down by whom? Where? Similarly individuals, again plural have said "black managers don't get a chance", not that some black managers have encountered racism, but they've been saying black managers don't get a chance.- turkish told them on here that it was nonsense, but got shouted down, not just disagreed with by somebody or other, but was actually shouted down. I'm having trouble finding where any of this happened, be a poppet and give us all the links won't you Turkish? Or again were you arguing with some random individual not even represented on this board? Shouted down about it too, certainly sounds like there were a lot of them and you all on your own, where and when was this? I haven't heard anyone say "football is racist", perhaps you could give a few examples of where this has been said. I have on the other hand heard people say that there is racism in football, which is undoubtedly true. There's racism in all walks of life because there are ignorant people around. football needs to take steps where there is racism, just like other sections of society do, and against any form of unfair discrimination. The situation may be much better than it was and there may be lots of people who, like David James, have managed to progress without problems from racism. But we all know it exists, we all probably know somebody who is racist, so the issue isn't over and will probably exist to some extent well beyond our lifetimes. Football's not racist, but there is racism in football and it should be addressed. Most black players and managers are given equal chances, but it shouldn't be taken for granted and efforts to promote racial equality shouldn't just be dropped. I haven't seen it said on here or anywhere else that black managers don't get a chance, you'll have to provide a link, but a lot of people working in football will face discrimination and there's no reason that should be tolerated just because it's not as bad as it used to be. Is it your opinion that people who have witnessed racial discrimination in football should be "shouted down", because you could be in danger of giving that impression. You still haven't commented, Turkish, do you think authorities in football should address racism? Or do you think everybody involved in football now isn't a racist or if they are then they should be allowed to just carry on? It's a bit of an odd thread if you think football should still be addressing racism, but a bit of an odd stance if you think it should just be tolerated. Which is it? Where have I said 'more than one poster has said football is racist'? As for black managers not given a chance. Plenty of moaning from the likes of Paul Ince that they've not been given a fair chance. I think what you actually said was that people are saying "black managers don't get a chance", now it seems you were actually on here arguing with Paul Ince himself, not the posters who were all ganging up and shouting you down, that we can't find. The thing is, I'd never heard Ince say that, despite remembering him as a whining little **** on the field. I've searched and so far all I've found is: I don't want to say it is all about black people. You aspire to be a great manager, regardless of colour. But when you look at the number of black players who have worked with top managers but go out of the game, I think it's sad. Paul Ince said that he believed that not enough black ex-players bothered to do their coaching badges, so precluded themselves being appointed as managers. now obviously he's done "plenty of moaning" that black players haven't been given a fair chance in management, despite the most common internet quotes saying almost exactly the opposite, so do you think you could help out and actually back up at least part of what you're saying. I hope you don't feel I'm shouting you down, Turkish, I'm just trying to understand your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Sorry I didn't realise Paul Ince posted on this forum. What's his user name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Yeah, that's about what I expected, cheers turkish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 23 October, 2012 I dont understand your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 October, 2012 Share Posted 23 October, 2012 Are they serious bout this bpfa thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 February, 2013 Share Posted 12 February, 2013 http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,18305_8494894,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rut Posted 12 February, 2013 Share Posted 12 February, 2013 http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,18305_8494894,00.html Millwall Football Club - the truth ( http://www.lifesapitch.co.uk/opinions/millwall-football-club-the-truth/ ) gives a more balanced view. Plus if you go back to the infamous pub scene from the Millwall Panorama documentary there is a black bloke in the pub with them. It's Northerners they don't like ('what you talking about - away' - comedy gold now actually): 5s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 12 February, 2013 Share Posted 12 February, 2013 Millwall Football Club - the truth ( http://www.lifesapitch.co.uk/opinions/millwall-football-club-the-truth/ ) gives a more balanced view. Plus if you go back to the infamous pub scene from the Millwall Panorama documentary there is a black bloke in the pub with them. It's Northerners they don't like ('what you talking about - away' - comedy gold now actually): 5s The monkey/ni*ger chanters should be let off in light of this new evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rut Posted 12 February, 2013 Share Posted 12 February, 2013 The monkey/ni*ger chanters should be let off in light of this new evidence. Read that 'truth' article by Mike Calvin: "The Millwall I know is rough and ready, but colour blind" He also makes a lot of other good points in what I think is a well written article. Back when that Panorama program was shown the 'black bloke in the pub' really confused the media. They wanted to tar all football hooligans as National Front types but after that it made it harder. They should have filmed another team instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 February, 2013 Share Posted 12 February, 2013 when I see managers in football...the colour of their skin does not even register.. I think steve coterill is crap...does that make it any worse than thinking terry conner is crap.? not too sure where I stand on phil brown...he is a bit half/half its all well and good saying there are not enough black managers....but if we are going to use colour to separate.....then which of said black managers are any good...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 12 February, 2013 Share Posted 12 February, 2013 I can't remember the last time I saw a racist incident at St Marys. The last thing I saw that could be considered mildly racist was the "shoe-bomber" chant, but even that wasn't racist in my opinion. I hear way more racist stuff at work or down the pub. The whole kick it out campaign is b*ll*x. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 12 February, 2013 Share Posted 12 February, 2013 I can't remember the last time I saw a racist incident at St Marys. The last thing I saw that could be considered mildly racist was the "shoe-bomber" chant, but even that wasn't racist in my opinion. I hear way more racist stuff at work or down the pub. The whole kick it out campaign is b*ll*x. The sky sports programme showed that. They went to loads of games at loads of grounds over a 3 month period and could only find a problem in one block, in one ground. And that is at Millwall, different in many ways to any other club these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 12 February, 2013 Share Posted 12 February, 2013 i have noticed people is more racist up here in midlands than they was when i lived down in london. Not at football particularly, i mean when i'm out and about. First few times i hear people being racist i was like then after a while u sort of get used to it and ur like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 February, 2013 Author Share Posted 12 February, 2013 Does anyone remember the article about 10 years ago when the Sun (i think) "exposed" Millwall and their racist fan base, accusing a section of fans of constantly chanting "sieg heil" during the game. It turned out they were playing Brighton and it was their fans in the away end chanting "seagulls" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 12 February, 2013 Share Posted 12 February, 2013 The sky sports programme showed that. They went to loads of games at loads of grounds over a 3 month period and could only find a problem in one block, in one ground. And that is at Millwall, different in many ways to any other club these days. Football must be one of ethnically diverse industries in existence. I can't think of any other where the most celebrated and well paid staff represent so many different colours and nationalities. At my work the only foreigners are the Polish ladies who empty the bins. If you look for racism anywhere, in any country you will find it. All programmes like this do is re-enforce peoples' prejudices against football supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 February, 2013 Share Posted 12 February, 2013 Watched a clip on sky sports with some police chief saying more needs to be done If it such a problem, how vapour the police who are no more than a few yards away arresting people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil 1 Posted 12 February, 2013 Share Posted 12 February, 2013 the black bloke you talk about died a few weeks ago.He was very well respected,not just at Millwall ,but[ across London.Even some well known West Ham faces turned up at the funeralQUOTE=Rut;1623955]Millwall Football Club - the truth ( http://www.lifesapitch.co.uk/opinions/millwall-football-club-the-truth/ ) gives a more balanced view. Plus if you go back to the infamous pub scene from the Millwall Panorama documentary there is a black bloke in the pub with them. It's Northerners they don't like ('what you talking about - away' - comedy gold now actually): 5s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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