doddisalegend Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 .....Gunmen have wounded a 14-year-old rights activist who has campaigned for girls' education in the Swat Valley in north-west Pakistan. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19882799 what sort of relegion thinks it's alright to (try and) kill a 14 year old girl for wanting an education......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 It's just their way of life in that region of the world, and has been for centuries, regardless of the religious aspect. The brutal oppression of women is not exclusive to Islam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 9 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 9 October, 2012 It's just their way of life in that region of the world, and has been for centuries, regardless of the religious aspect. The brutal oppression of women is not exclusive to Islam. Maybe not (Justin lee Collins has just proved that) but these people did it in the name of Islam. I just don't understand it I want my daughter to have as many chances in life as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 I would think that this has very little to do with Islam, and an awful lot to do with ancient tribal customs and the fact that she has openly stood up to and provoked the Taliban. As with all religions, Islam is open to a wide range of interpretations, and generates it's own brand of nutters - you certainly wouldn't get this sort of activity in Turkey or Bosnia for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 It's just their way of life in that region of the world, and has been for centuries, regardless of the religious aspect. The brutal oppression of women is not exclusive to Islam. It's probably the biggest though ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Maybe not (Justin lee Collins has just proved that) but these people did it in the name of Islam. I just don't understand it I want my daughter to have as many chances in life as possible. Not really, it doesn't actually state that in the article. It is part of the doctrine of the the Taliban to oppress women and prevent them from getting an education, and it is a very radical and twisted version of Islam on which their doctrine is based, but to claim this individual action was done in the name of Islam is a little misleading. I'm not normally one to speak out for and defend religions, because it is my personal belief that they are all based on delusions, but your opening post appears to be criticising an entire religion for the misguided actions of a tiny minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 .....Gunmen have wounded a 14-year-old rights activist who has campaigned for girls' education in the Swat Valley in north-west Pakistan. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19882799 what sort of relegion thinks it's alright to (try and) kill a 14 year old girl for wanting an education......... None do. The problem are the extremists who pick and choose which parts of the religion they want to follow and twist it to suit their own bloodthirsty conquests and agendas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 This is an example of extremism in the name of the religion, however the oppression of women in many Islamic countries is pretty appalling at the best of times ! I have visited some of these places on a fairly regular basis and have first hand knowledge of the lack of opportunity afforded to the female gender ! With all due respect to their faith, I just don't think that it is fair to deny anyone the freedom to choose education and improve their lives !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 9 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Not really, it doesn't actually state that in the article. It is part of the doctrine of the the Taliban to oppress women and prevent them from getting an education, and it is a very radical and twisted version of Islam on which their doctrine is based, but to claim this individual action was done in the name of Islam is a little misleading. I'm not normally one to speak out for and defend religions, because it is my personal belief that they are all based on delusions, but your opening post appears to be criticising an entire religion for the misguided actions of a tiny minority. yes it does Ehsanullah Ehsan told BBC Urdu that they attacked her because she was anti-Taliban and secular secular meaning not relegoius and being as this the Taliban (who are islamists) by extentsion not muslim. I'm certainaly not suggesting all muslims think this way just in the same way many christains don't agree on the exact details of their relegion. I just find it amazing that the Taliban can use Islam to justify basically trying to kill a 14 year old girl for wanting to go to school. Even if you take the relegion side of it out I still find it amazing that they want to treat women this way in the 21st century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 It's non-PC gone mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Bexy... I know it won't sit right with you but these nutter so do it for Islam... They really believe that.. They are like medieval people... When we would burn witches or something But these people do it in the name of their religion Hth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Bexy... I know it won't sit right with you but these nutter so do it for Islam... They really believe that.. They are like medieval people... When we would burn witches or something But these people do it in the name of their religion Hth What you have to remember is that the Islamic religion is about 1400 years old, at that stage fanatic christians were burning "heretics" (meaning anyone who disagreed with them) at the stake on a daily basis. When there's no hierachy in a structure it's a complete f*ck up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Bexy... I know it won't sit right with you but these nutter so do it for Islam... They really believe that.. They are like medieval people... When we would burn witches or something But these people do it in the name of their religion Hth Indirectly, yes. But my point being that the people who carried out this attack have been indoctrinated by Taliban leaders whose political views are based on their own extreme and twisted version of Islam, rather than either of the mainstream Islamic sects. So to claim that it was done 'in the name of Islam' is misguiding. It would be more accurate to say it was carried out in the name of the Taliban, and it is important to make that distinction IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 I expect the Taliban would say it was in the name of Islam. I would suggest one's on a sticky wicket attempting to decide whose version is and isn't correct in respect of Islam, when punishments are being meted out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Bexy... I know it won't sit right with you but these nutter so do it for Islam... They really believe that.. They are like medieval people... When we would burn witches or something But these people do it in the name of their religion Hth In the same way that Nick Griffin genuinely believes that what the BNP stand for is for the good of this country. Thankfully in this and the aforementioned case of the Taliban the vast majority totally disagree and wholly condemn what they do. It's the delusional mentality of the extremist opinion regardless of what religion/political opinion/etc. they believe in. They pick and choose what they want to believe to suit their own agenda and willfully ignore commandments/cast-in-stone facts that oppose this. In the Taliban's case we'll start with the fact that violence or inflicting harm to any living creature is strictly forbidden, as for the BNP we all saw a demonstration of Griffin's highly selective memory on his QT appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 No, these people genuinely believe what they are doing is right.... No need to make excuses for them... They would probably cut your head off for being an infedel if they could Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambol2K9 Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Just a bunch of savages in that country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Whilst it's obviously due to the people being tribal and backward you would be putting you head in the sand to say it's not connected to their religion. The Taliban claim to be followers of Islam and many other Muslim countries also have f*cked up views on Women's rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Whilst it's obviously due to the people being tribal and backward you would be putting you head in the sand to say it's not connected to their religion. The Taliban claim to be followers of Islam and many other Muslim countries also have f*cked up views on Women's rights. Whereas in the bible belt of American there are thousands of people who would happily see gay people stoned to death because it's 'against God'. I agree that Islam has more than a heathly number of nutters who follow but it's hardly exclusive to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Whereas in the bible belt of American there are thousands of people who would happily see gay people stoned to death because it's 'against God'. I agree that Islam has more than a heathly number of nutters who follow but it's hardly exclusive to them. That is true.. I don't think anyone is questioning that here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 No, these people genuinely believe what they are doing is right.... No need to make excuses for them... They would probably cut your head off for being an infedel if they could I don't doubt it for a second. And I don't believe anybody is making excuses for them either. Their actions are loathsome and inhumane. BUT... It's important that people make the distinction between the Taliban's perverted version of Islam and Islam in general, because when you make out like the religion itself allows for this sort of thing, as the OP appeared to be doing, you are doing the extreme right's leg-work for them by spreading myths about Islam that only serve to perpetuate irrational fear and mistrust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Bexy, I know the difference.... I have lost a mate to these nutters... Where did I say that they represent Islam in general? All I said was that they were doing their lunatic actions in the name of their religion... And they really believe what they are doing is right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Whereas in the bible belt of American there are thousands of people who would happily see gay people stoned to death because it's 'against God'. I agree that Islam has more than a heathly number of nutters who follow but it's hardly exclusive to them. I agree about extreme religion in general is bad. But there is a big difference between a few nutters wanting to stone gays and the government of the country wanting them killed by law BIG BIG difference. There are 7 countries that have the death penalty for homosexuals ALL are muslim. Bit of a coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Bexy, I know the difference.... I have lost a mate to these nutters... Where did I say that they represent Islam in general? All I said was that they were doing their lunatic actions in the name of their religion... And they really believe what they are doing is right You didn't. My comments were aimed at this bit of the OP... what sort of relegion thinks it's alright to (try and) kill a 14 year old girl for wanting an education......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Whereas in the bible belt of American there are thousands of people who would happily see gay people stoned to death because it's 'against God'. I agree that Islam has more than a heathly number of nutters who follow but it's hardly exclusive to them. How many people have been stoned to death in the USA in the last, let's say, 50 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 How many people have been stoned to death in the USA in the last, let's say, 50 years? Stoned to death, probably none. Stabbed, shot, beatten to death... probably thousands. I'm not saying Islam doesn't have a problem but I think the OP was wrong to desribe it as being 'a religion which condones' murdering a teenage girl. This is more a problem with the Pakistani government, which is one of the more aggresive Islam states. I'm not aware of women's rights being abused in Indonesia, Turkey, Morrocco or the Balkans but I admit I know very little about those countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 Glasshouses and throwing stones. What is worse? The Jimmy Saville and his gang of merry men or this? The Swat Valley. One of the world's most amazingly beautiful places. The "Superpowers" abused it for hundreds of years in their battles for Afghanistan and the locals ignored it in their corrupt and internal infighting in Pakistan. You leave anything to run wild for a long time it turns Feral. This is not JUST a failure of Islam it is a failure of the World to give a damn about people in general. The days of the Raj/Khyber Pass, through the Soviets & the CIA to trying to kick the Taliban out of Afghanistan. No wonder the whole damn area has become a failed state. Such a shame. The Trout fishing there was some of the best in the world....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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