dronskisaint Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 I have been a bit disappointed about the nos of threads started on the likely fate of our manager. Yes he has made mistakes, yes his after match interviews are repetitive and becoming patronising, yes he could be doing better but..... if the season closed tonight we would be safe and that for me is enough as things stand. But the reason I started yet another NA thread is I have just watched the U21 game v Man United and very enjoyable it was too (we equalised with the last kick but were far the better side all night). Who was there watching in the stands? Yes Nigel Adkins, 24 hours after a Prem game. His presence would have been a real boost to the youngsters who performed well (esp Reeves). I am not a happy clappy and I am not trying to overtake NickG as the club's chief propagandist, but I would just like all fans to rally behind our manager for a while longer. Yes not everything is right, his substitutions are questionable etc etc but why don't we all hold fire until at least Xmas and the January window transfer. The fact that he went all the way to Lancashire today to support thr U21s shows his commitment to the cause. I think we got it far from right in our recruitment in the summer but that might not be his fault - back-to-back promotions have earnt him the chance to prove himself without being judged after a handful of games. Apologies to NickG for stealing his thunder. I agree 100% - aside from the fact that he has done more than enough in his own right to earn the respect you advocate but surely we should have learned the lesson of the likely outcome of a merry go round of managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 I have been a bit disappointed about the nos of threads started on the likely fate of our manager. Yes he has made mistakes, yes his after match interviews are repetitive and becoming patronising, yes he could be doing better but..... if the season closed tonight we would be safe and that for me is enough as things stand. But the reason I started yet another NA thread is I have just watched the U21 game v Man United and very enjoyable it was too (we equalised with the last kick but were far the better side all night). Who was there watching in the stands? Yes Nigel Adkins, 24 hours after a Prem game. His presence would have been a real boost to the youngsters who performed well (esp Reeves). I am not a happy clappy and I am not trying to overtake NickG as the club's chief propagandist, but I would just like all fans to rally behind our manager for a while longer. Yes not everything is right, his substitutions are questionable etc etc but why don't we all hold fire until at least Xmas and the January window transfer. The fact that he went all the way to Lancashire today to support thr U21s shows his commitment to the cause. I think we got it far from right in our recruitment in the summer but that might not be his fault - back-to-back promotions have earnt him the chance to prove himself without being judged after a handful of games. Apologies to NickG for stealing his thunder. Do we really have to wait until Christmas?...I was really looking forward to a quiet one this year and now I'm going to be getting all excitable and restless about a new manager coming in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Do we really have to wait until Christmas?...I was really looking forward to a quiet one this year and now I'm going to be getting all excitable and restless about a new manager coming in. Yep, and beyond. So you won't have to be restless as we'll still have NA in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 (edited) Good OP. However, I find it somewhat amusing that (per many other issues debated here) a sizable number of posters start taking a swipe at others suggesting there's some anti-NA agenda. What's wrong with some middle ground? So with that in mind... a. Continuity is a good thing and NA has done a stirling job so far getting us into the Prem so retaining his services will be a good thing. b. NA is getting his team to play some great entertaining offensive football. c. There are few if any attractive potential replacements and also, it would appear the club is founded on principles of shared responsibility and 'together as one'. It would blow the entire ethos, policy and strategy of the club apart should Adkins be replaced. For this alone, I can't see it happening. d. NA is having some difficulty getting the team's defensive aspects working well - by his own admission we ship too many away goals. This might be due to the players he has available or an tactical inability to communicate a solution to his players or a bit of both. NA has demonstrably proven at least twice to have not read the game or the opposition well enough to produce convincing and effective substitutions. OK, so all this is in hindsight and despite wanting him to survive, a case is building against him. e. NC has shown he can be ruthless and driven to achieve. Emotions don't feature. Because of this, NA probably knows exactly what the score is with regards where the club needs to be, so he might even end up falling on his own sword by resigning before he's pushed. Many of us want Adkins to succeed and to succeed with Saints. Of course we want this and we should offer support until he walks out the door. But that does not alter the fact that without results - i.e. enough points to survive - his position (like every other Prem Manager) might become untenable due to factors beyond his control. That comes with the territory for all clubs that aspire to play in the Prem - let's not delude ourselves, it's a tough business. Edited 9 October, 2012 by Saint Fan CaM typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 A thread about the fate of our manager which begins by bemoaning the number of threads being started about the fate of our manager? If this isn't a **** take then it's quite ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 I thought, and still think, that Cortese made a massive mistake by firing Pardew. Having said that he redeemed himself by hiring Adkins who, like the team and the club, are on a massive learning curve. Would I rather have Pardew in charge now? Yes. But given time I am sure Adkins can become a decent Premiership manager and I just hope he gets that time. He makes mistakes but then so do all of the Premiership managers most of the time - even Fergie. The defence should have been sorted in the summer and by all accounts they were targetting various defenders. We didn't get them but look at the mighty Liverpool and their striker situation - and Spurs if Defoe gets crocked. The transfer window is a nonsense but we have to live with it and perhaps NC will learn that business needs to be done quickly and to cut out the macho "who blinks first" negotiating stance. Yes, maybe the Premiership came a season too early for us but we are there now and Nigel will need to find a way of sorting out the appalling situation where we need to score 4 every game to win - thats what he is paid for and that is what he will be judged on ultimately this season. Good luck to the bloke, he has earned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horton Heath Saint Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Yes, my thoughts as well. Give NA some time at least. He's worked hard to get us where we are now. Bit of loyalty needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 A thread about the fate of our manager which begins by bemoaning the number of threads being started about the fate of our manager? If this isn't a **** take then it's quite ridiculous. We two and Art appear to be the only ones that have commented on the irony of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 In an effort to try and tidy this place up a bit I'm going to lock all the Adkins threads and leave the one with the poll for people to discuss in there. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?40495-Sack-Adkins-Yes-or-no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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