Bucks Saint Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 I'm not talking about his morals and ethics. I'm talking about his managrial ability. It seems the only people who think he is a sh*t manager are Saints fans that post on spaz boards. Fair enough but we have seen his managerial ability with a squad of players better than we have now, when he had to get the best out of them and could not just spend a bucket load. Also saw him leave replacing Crouch and Phillips way way too late the next season, when it obvious to anyone else that we were going to need new strikers. How did the Spurs wage bill go up under him by the way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 WesTender you beat me to it re milton road being the one in skatesville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambsaint Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 Unfortunately there is no place for sentiment in the Prem. If Saints want to stay up they will do what is necessary. I don't think that NA has had enough time yet, but in The New Year if we look like going down, I'm sure he will be replaced. Any rational chairman would have to seriously consider HR then, amongst any other applicants of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 (edited) But can we ignore Harry Redknapp being out of work 30 miles down the road!!!!! I am aware of the history but putting that aside are we honestly saying NO HARRY Hard as it is for me to say this; no-one is interested in your persistent one point agenda, and I'm surprised you haven't been banned already. You might also want to take a look at the 93% support for Adkins here, http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?40495-Sack-Adkins-Yes-or-no and try and work out if you think the other 7% would want one of our least popular managers ever to take over even if they got their way. Edited 8 October, 2012 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 Fair enough but we have seen his managerial ability with a squad of players better than we have now, when he had to get the best out of them and could not just spend a bucket load. Also saw him leave replacing Crouch and Phillips way way too late the next season, when it obvious to anyone else that we were going to need new strikers. How did the Spurs wage bill go up under him by the way? As I said above, here is the only place He's failed and it was quite clear from the moment he got here he didn't want to be here. I have no idea what Tottenhams wage bill is but as a club which has qualified for the champions league under his management and would have again last season if it wasn't for Chelsea's improbable win of the trophy I'd expect them to have a wage bill of an established top 6 club, which is exactly what he's made them, unlike a number of managers that have tried and failed to do the same at Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 If you actually look at Redknapps spending whilst at Spurs it's not as huge as the myth. Net spends 08/09 = £19.4m 09/10 = minus £1m 10/11 = £17.5m 11/12 = minus £27m http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/tottenham-hotspur-transfers.html His net whilst at Spurs was actually only around £8m whilst taking them to the champions league. Kind of p*sses on 'the he only succeeds where he has money' myth. Those figures obviously dont include the sums that he and Willie McKay (who, no doubt, was the agent concerned) trousered for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 I'd bring back ........Lawrie McMenemy, before I'd consider 'appy 'arry ......not for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 As I said above, here is the only place He's failed and it was quite clear from the moment he got here he didn't want to be here. I have no idea what Tottenhams wage bill is but as a club which has qualified for the champions league under his management and would have again last season if it wasn't for Chelsea's improbable win of the trophy I'd expect them to have a wage bill of an established top 6 club, which is exactly what he's made them, unlike a number of managers that have tried and failed to do the same at Spurs. You can't ignore the wage bill but then say how he did better than previous Spurs managers. No previous manager was allowed to bloat the squad with expensive reserves (Kranjcar, Jenas, Bentley, Pavlyuchenko and plenty of others) while also signing Modric, Bale, Adebayor, and Van der Vaart. Even Spurs got rid of him so they got wise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 (edited) Do you know what Spurs wage bill was and what his budget was then? Do you know what budget previous managers had? As I've said above any manager will want to continually improve their side, you should worry if they didn't. The fact that no champions league football this season isn't disasterous for spurs suggests their finances aren't in too bad a state, they aren't about to do a Leeds are they. Martin O'neill had a net spend of £70m whilst at Villa and never finished higher than 6th. Spurs finished 4th, 5th and 4th in his last three aeasons with a net spend of £8m. Yet some still crisitcse him as a manager that can only spend money. Something every manager needs, having it is one thing spending it wisely is another. And get your facts right Bentley, Jenas and Pavlychenko were at Spurs before Redknapp joined. And Adrian, im not talking about bringing him back and I don't like the bloke, just putting people right who say that he's a terrible manager with no clue who bankrupts clubs. Edited 8 October, 2012 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 (edited) I dont know the wage figures and am happy to be corrected, but based on the squad growth in numbers and quality, its fair to assume, IMO, that the bill leapt up hugely under Redknapp, which is his basic approach to every club. Yes of course some of the names I mentioned were there already, but they were decent earners and were kept as almost permanent reserves while Harry added more expensive names. Let's also be clear that Modric has been sold, as has van der Vaart. Still reasonable spending, but two of their best players who were a massive part of the success have jumped ship because they have not pushed on and/ or Levy, being a sensible business man, has decided enough is enough on the costs spiral. Hence Harry out Edited 8 October, 2012 by Bucks Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 /\ clearly the budget and wage bill want a problem for 'Daniel' as he brought the players to the club and approved the deals. Who could forget Redknapps Van Der Vaart signing interview from his car window where he said 'Daniel' rang him and said he had a present for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 You are moving the goalposts. You said Redknapp has done so well at Spurs, and so much better than all the previous incumbents. I said you can't ignore the likely huge wage escalation, a luxury previous managers have not had. Levy may well have been happy for a while, but not at the end of this season he wasn't. But still, Redknapp runs up major wage bills wherever he goes, except with us. Quite often it ends in tears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 No I'm not. I said we don't know what budget previous managers had. Pavlychenko, Bentley, Darren Bent and Berbatov were all signed before Redknapp for over £10m each. How much donyou think they were on? Going back even further Dean Richards and Sergi Rebrov were signed for big money at the time. Do you think Jurgen Klinsman was playing for Spurs for peanuts?! So don't make our Redknapp had a pot of gold the others never did. Spurs have always been relatively big spenders. Youre speculating as to what the wages might be. When the facts show he spent little More than previous incumbents and had far greater success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 You are moving the goalposts. You said Redknapp has done so well at Spurs, and so much better than all the previous incumbents. I said you can't ignore the likely huge wage escalation, a luxury previous managers have not had. Levy may well have been happy for a while, but not at the end of this season he wasn't. But still, Redknapp runs up major wage bills wherever he goes, except with us. Quite often it ends in tears. NO. It always ends in tears. Spurs' owners were desparate to get rid of him before he drive them to the wall but at least they did act before it got out of hand. Every other team he has managed has gone into financial meltdown shortly after he left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 Be honest, it wasn't hard for you to say at all, was it miltonroader? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 NO. It always ends in tears. Spurs' owners were desparate to get rid of him before he drive them to the wall but at least they did act before it got out of hand. Every other team he has managed has gone into financial meltdown shortly after he left! They weren't crying when they were beating AC Milan in the champions league were they. Are you seriously blaming Redknapp for Pompeys troubles? If so then it Burleys fault we went into admin, not Wilde, Lowe and co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 Pompey had the 6th highest wage bill in the 2007/8 season and I recall West Ham's being higher than that a few years earlier under his tutelage. Neither club got anywhere near a top 6 spot in those years. Of course Redknapp can't be blamed in the entirety for these and other episodes but it can't be ignored that wherever he goes this situation arises and normally ends in tears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 Pompey had the 6th highest wage bill in the 2007/8 season and I recall West Ham's being higher than that a few years earlier under his tutelage. Neither club got anywhere near a top 6 spot in those years. Of course Redknapp can't be blamed in the entirety for these and other episodes but it can't be ignored that wherever he goes this situation arises and normally ends in tears. West Ham finished 5th when he was manager and Pompey finished ninth and won the FA Cup, hardly not getting anywhere near the top 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 I dont buy into the "**** manager" talk with Red*****, I wanted him as England boss before Roy got it...I also don't want him here, not because of his ability but because of his previous with us, couldn't get out of here fast enough when we went down, and then the **** he spouted when he went back to skatesville about how it didnt feel right here blah blah crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 If it's that hard to say then why do you repeatedly start threads about it you pleb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 People who keep banging on about RedCrap are obsessives who need to get out more ! Gets right on my nerves, same thing over and over again ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 West Ham finished 5th when he was manager and Pompey finished ninth and won the FA Cup, hardly not getting anywhere near the top 6. We are the 7th biggest spenders in Europe..... How are we doing with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 People who keep banging on about RedCrap are obsessives who need to get out more ! Gets right on my nerves, same thing over and over again ! At least you seem to understand the meaning of irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 People who keep banging on about RedCrap are obsessives who need to get out more ! Gets right on my nerves, same thing over and over again ! hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 We are the 7th biggest spenders in Europe..... How are we doing with that? Jesus TDD, cheer up. You're one of the most depressing people on here at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 Jesus TDD, cheer up. You're one of the most depressing people on here at the moment. I know... Just a shame to see adkins look like a fish out of water... It really is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 I know... Just a shame to see adkins look like a fish out of water... It really is Would you say the same about Rodgers, Hughes, Houghton, Lambert....? Take a look around, it's not rosey in everyone else's garden. We're a newly promoted side with an excellent attack and a so far ****e defence. But we can and I believe we will improve. You'd better get used to us losing more than we win and this wouldn't change regardless of the manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 Would prefer to Hoddle to 'arry. But its immaterial, as NA remains in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 Another tedious thread yawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 Another tedious thread yawn Another tedious post where people post on a thread to tell people they find it tedious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 I dont buy into the "**** manager" talk with Red*****, I wanted him as England boss before Roy got it...I also don't want him here, not because of his ability but because of his previous with us, couldn't get out of here fast enough when we went down, and then the **** he spouted when he went back to skatesville about how it didnt feel right here blah blah crap Yep, my thoughts entirely. Only a fool would say he isn't a good manager. Don't want him here though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 Think we are done here, there is also another similar thread on this subject... http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?39675-Sack-Adkins-bring-in-Redknapp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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