badgerx16 Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 .... just because a player gets subbed and we lose doesn't mean the two things are linked, .... Hoo bloody ray, somebody with sense ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smarmy Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 Just because a player gets subbed and we lose doesn't mean the two things are linked. THIS Personally, I think we did get the recruitment wrong in the summer (although it was still better than I was expecting), and if we couldn't buy Buttner, we should definitely not have let Harding leave, but we don't know the full story and sometimes things just don't work out. The whole premise that we have had a disastrous start to the season is just ARSE, frankly. We have had a very tricky fixture list and a minor injury crisis. We've done OK in the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 So nearly 7% of the people on here are complete idiots! I would have thought the percentage would have been a little higher, tbh, so that's a positive! What did people think the premier league would be like? You lose most weeks. A draw at home is a good result. Finishing 17th is success. If you want to win all the time, you're in the wrong league, bro. see that is spot on ......... What amazes me is how happy some people are with that (and pay more for it to boot) give me the football league anyday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 (edited) see that is spot on ......... What amazes me is how happy some people are with that (and pay more for it to boot) give me the football league anyday I'll refer you to the glory years of 2007-09 to remind you that you don't always get to win every week in the Football League either. Just because we made it look easy doesn't mean it was, and no-one should forget how well Adkins has done for us to get us here. As for the substitutions, I'm yet to see one which couldn't be logically explained. I can't help you with why we chose to stop passing the ball on the ground for 15 minutes against Man U when leading (other than brain fatigue) or seem so incapable of playing without Lambert in the team (60 mins against Man City aside) though. Edited 10 October, 2012 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 Just because a player gets subbed and we lose doesn't mean the two things are linked. THIS Personally, I think we did get the recruitment wrong in the summer (although it was still better than I was expecting), and if we couldn't buy Buttner, we should definitely not have let Harding leave, but we don't know the full story and sometimes things just don't work out. The whole premise that we have had a disastrous start to the season is just ARSE, frankly. We have had a very tricky fixture list and a minor injury crisis. We've done OK in the circumstances. I agree and fully expected it to be hard and a struggle and I certainly want to keep Adkins, however, a couple of points; - The club, including Adkins haven't helped themselves by constantly talking up our aims for the season, talking about challenging for the top, competing in Europe etc, raising supporter's expectations. Yes it is good to be positive at the start of the season and of course we don't expect the club to say "we hope we might scrape survival", but as with every walk of life, expectation management is important these days. - Has our start been that difficult? Wigan, Aston Villa and Fulham at home in a batch of 7 games gives decent scope for picking up points by Premier League Standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 I'll refer you to the glory years of 2007-09 to remind you that you don't always get to win every week in the Football League either. Just because we made it look easy doesn't mean it was, and no-one should forget how well Adkins has done for us to get us here. As for the substitutions, I'm yet to see one which couldn't be logically explained. I can't help you with why we chose to stop passing the ball on the ground or seem so incapable of playing without Lambert in the team (60 mins against Man City aside) though. To true nothing is a given the difference is in the football league there is always a chance (hope if you like) that you can achieve promotion or ()win the league or playoffs) the PL is a closed shop ...already a few games in were all saying 17th is a great achivement we will just have to get used to losing most weeks I just find it hard to get excited by that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 I agree and fully expected it to be hard and a struggle and I certainly want to keep Adkins, however, a couple of points; - The club, including Adkins haven't helped themselves by constantly talking up our aims for the season, talking about challenging for the top, competing in Europe etc, raising supporter's expectations. Yes it is good to be positive at the start of the season and of course we don't expect the club to say "we hope we might scrape survival", but as with every walk of life, expectation management is important these days. - Has our start been that difficult? Wigan, Aston Villa and Fulham at home in a batch of 7 games gives decent scope for picking up points by Premier League Standards. Honestly, I saw ONE interview with Adkins where he mentioned Europe, and that was around the time we were looking to bring in Rodriguez and Buttner in, so it made sense to be talking the club up publicly. After that, no-one's said anything about our prospects other than the usual vagaries about working hard and pushing on. And yes, with the way Everton started we've had 4 probable zero pointers out of the first 7. Wigan were in form when we played them and we learned a lesson about the level needed in the Prem. Villa we beat, Fulham we needed to take our chances better. 9 points would be a good start, 7 would have been ok. Anything more than that would mean an away win against one of the top 5 or beating Man U at home and would be excellent. We've got 4 because we made basic mistakes against Wigan and Fulham, which cost us two reasonably feasible wins - but fixing defensive problems is usually easier than fixing creative ones. At the moment it's as simple as sitting a couple of defensively-minded players in midfield and not asking them to support the attack as often -that would impact on our chances of scoring as many, but by how much ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 To true nothing is a given the difference is in the football league there is always a chance (hope if you like) that you can achieve promotion or ()win the league or playoffs) the PL is a closed shop ...already a few games in were all saying 17th is a great achivement we will just have to get used to losing most weeks I just find it hard to get excited by that. You're not alone. I'm going to a higher proportion of matches because they seem few and far between (I think there have been 3 midweek Championship rounds already, we didn't have a game for any of those), but my expectations have gone from "hope we win" to "I wonder if we'll get a point". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 Honestly, I saw ONE interview with Adkins where he mentioned Europe, and that was around the time we were looking to bring in Rodriguez and Buttner in, so it made sense to be talking the club up publicly. After that, no-one's said anything about our prospects other than the usual vagaries about working hard and pushing on. And yes, with the way Everton started we've had 4 probable zero pointers out of the first 7. Wigan were in form when we played them and we learned a lesson about the level needed in the Prem. Villa we beat, Fulham we needed to take our chances better. 9 points would be a good start, 7 would have been ok. Anything more than that would mean an away win against one of the top 5 or beating Man U at home and would be excellent. We've got 4 because we made basic mistakes against Wigan and Fulham, which cost us two reasonably feasible wins - but fixing defensive problems is usually easier than fixing creative ones. At the moment it's as simple as sitting a couple of defensively-minded players in midfield and not asking them to support the attack as often -that would impact on our chances of scoring as many, but by how much ? Fair enough, I remember a few different quotes, plus what we were telling new signings, but I think one interview is enough. You seem to be agreeing with me that we've had games that have given us good opportunites to pick up points. 4 points from Wigan, Villa and Fulham at home is not what anyone would have expected/aimed/planned for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 This 'poll' has overwhelmingly and emphatically delivered a "NO" - so let this be an end to all those monotonous threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 So nearly 7% of the people on here are complete idiots! I would have thought the percentage would have been a little higher, tbh, so that's a positive! What did people think the premier league would be like? You lose most weeks. A draw at home is a good result. Finishing 17th is success. If you want to win all the time, you're in the wrong league, bro. Is that really necessary. I mean, I could call you a bit of a c*nt for posting that but I won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 Is that really necessary. I mean, I could call you a bit of a c*nt for posting that but I won't. I think it might have been neccesary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 You seem to be agreeing with me that we've had games that have given us good opportunites to pick up points. 4 points from Wigan, Villa and Fulham at home is not what anyone would have expected/aimed/planned for. We're around where I expected us to be regarding performances, but that's left us behind where I'd expect us to be in points terms - I think 7-9 points would be a middling expectation from the matches we've had so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeg Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 This 'poll' has overwhelmingly and emphatically delivered a "NO" - so let this be an end to all those monotonous threads. agree .. no need to change .. move on!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 44 idiots... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 Is that really necessary. I mean, I could call you a bit of a c*nt for posting that but I won't. I agree with you people have different views and just because he did really wel getting Pardew's team into the Championship and then getting us into the PL does not mean that Adkins will thrive this season. However I think he of course Adkins should be given a chance but I have a similar feeling that I did when Gray and then Wigley were in charge. Lets hope I am wrong but I often think getting the right manager is not that easy and if Adkins went I would not have any idea who would replace him. So come on Nigel you have the support of the fans so lets start going up the table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 Should we have kept Mark Wotte when we got relegated four years ago? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 I don't understand what the problem is. We have four points from three games we should have expected something from. Yes, nine would have been fantastic. Seven would have been great. Four is not a disaster given that we have only just been promoted. If we're in the ship at the end of November, then we can bring in Benetiz or whoever the hell we want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 I'm sure the return of Howe to Bournemouth and on the doorstep is an additional pressure onto Atkins to produce the goods. I'm sure the Cherries are going to be right there to loan Saints players who had links with Howe and Burnley. Good for Southern football if only we could rid football of those cheating bar stewards down the M27. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 12 October, 2012 Share Posted 12 October, 2012 All we need to do is keep just above the point per game and we will be fine. At the moment I expected 7 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydie Posted 13 October, 2012 Share Posted 13 October, 2012 I'm sure the return of Howe to Bournemouth and on the doorstep is an additional pressure onto Atkins to produce the goods. I'm sure the Cherries are going to be right there to loan Saints players who had links with Howe and Burnley. Good for Southern football if only we could rid football of those cheating bar stewards down the M27. Why do you always spell his name wrong? It's Adkins. Furthermore, why would anything Bournemouth do add further pressure on Adkins to do well? We are leagues apart from them, literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 15 October, 2012 Share Posted 15 October, 2012 in todays Sun - Saints are lining up Paolo Di Canio to replace Adkins should results not improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 15 October, 2012 Share Posted 15 October, 2012 (edited) in todays Sun - Saints are lining up Paolo Di Canio to replace Adkins should results not improve. Oh really....what would be the point of that? Whats the Fascist got that Nigel hasn't? Edited 15 October, 2012 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 15 October, 2012 Share Posted 15 October, 2012 in todays Sun - Saints are lining up Paolo Di Canio to replace Adkins should results not improve. No thanks. That would be a disaster and completely contrary to the setup we have here. Di Canio is massively self-absorbed and sees Swindon as "his". He is a bigger personality than all the players and that is entirely by his own self-design. He runs everything within the club, all transfers go through him, he pretty much runs everything on the playing side. And he is hugely reactionary and over the top, the fireworks between him and Cortese would see him sacked within a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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