david in sweden Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 No-one is born with the management skills needed to be a Premier League manager. or .... a banker, a computer nerd........or a fireman .....or Prime Minister (sorry bad example).. but it takes time to learn new things, and this is new for everyone at SFC. How would it be.... if every boss you'd had ....sacked you after eight weeks for poor performance?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 1st year - Promoted 2nd year - errr, promoted again. 3rd year - Premier League - give him time.....He is a good manager. Spot on except last line should read: 3rd seven weeks - Premier League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 Do I want him sacked ? No. Will he be sacked ? Probably. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 But he is far too open though.. And remains to be.. Wgs had Paul Williams and Paul Telfor in defence..... He made us hard to beat... And went from there. We have good forward players who will get us goals even if we are more defensive... But at the mo.. We are just so easy to play against... Even a woeful Fulham team without their two strikers.. Who stink on the road scored twice and looked dangerous against us.. Yet we continue to float around in midfield and upfront No, it's worse than that, one own goal and another deflected off our player. I say no, don't be so fargin stupid. To coin a really cheesey line, you don't change horse mid stream. We are Prem new boys, there is only Adam and Spidey here that were here when we went down. We need to learn and so does he. As mentione above, we have got here EARLY in the five year plan, and have had to cut out cloth to match. We are the highest spenders so far, and we have a new team. They need time to gel as well. Our defence IS Poor, but the manager isn't the issue, i don't think, it's the system at the back, it's lack of awareness. We have already kicked Kelv into touch, a player who, may be too slow now for the prem, and who's reactions may be getting a little jaded, but last season with Penalties, Rickie scored them at one end and he saved them at the other, has been discarded and we have what I thought was a scond string keeper for cup matches against lower teams as our number one, *****il Bucic starts playing). This may be our problem, no one commanding the defence. we don't know. In summery. Keep Nige. How else is he going to get and experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 It's not so much Nigel but the inferior input he's getting from the Stooges that sit with him on the bench. Any game where the bench is shown just lets one see what is the reason the decisions are all wrong. Most of the time they shown no interest in the game. Bring in back up personal with top Premier League Know how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffnut Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 Definitely not, give him a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 Clearly Adkins is not a PL manager but do we have the time for him to learn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 Clearly Adkins is not a PL manager but do we have the time for him to learn Define a premiership manager for me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 No....definitely not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 Who started this thread? No. In the interest of balance, should there be a vote-of-confidence poll on Cortese? As the left back and centre back wanted by NA don't seem to have materialised just yet? My view would be give Nigel and chance, and give Nicola a chance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 Clearly Adkins is not a PL manager Um, he is a manager, and he is in the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 Define a premiership manager for me.... One who has not had a team relegated from the Premiership? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tttdcs Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 How do you view who voted yes ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Clearly Adkins is not a PL manager but do we have the time for him to learn er clearly he is... I suspect what you are saying is someone who will play whatever style is necessary even parking the fricken bus to try and secure annual survival -or someone at a big rich club who can afford to buy in 200mil of talent and only need to worry as to whether his sill will see them finish in a CL space or not? Its not as if we have had the wool pulled over our eyes is it - NIgel and the club have always stated they want to play our brand of football - yes we need to sort out the defence, but if you want to play and attacking passing style, you cant put it all on hold for a season and change it just to stay up - because you will have the same problems whenever you try and introduce it, unless you have build a squad as time allows that lets you play it. Change to a 'stay up at all costs' defensive style now, and we end up like half the others in the prem; more concerned about survival than entertaining fans. NIgel to his credit so far has stuck toi his guns, made quite a few mistakes as he learns, but lets be honest, with Clyne, Richardson and Ramirez we would have been 3-0 up by half time... and no recently promoted side has teh squad depth some seem to think we shoudl have sorted over night... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Well it will come as no surprise to many that I voted yes. he fulfilled his remit getting us up. Which was the minimum objective,and it should have been with the resources available to him. Although west ham came very close to overhauling us ,which would have put a completely different Spin on things. And I League one we came runners up to the big spending powerhouse that is Brighton. he should be given the chance,but thus far he is floundering. i can see against some of the big guns we were going to struggle,but his lack of tactical nous has lost us points against them and Fulham. Now it is apparent that quite a few of you are having doubts in his abilities,some of whom slated me for having my doubts sometime ago ........lets hope the squad don't start have doubts and question some of his decisions.......or have they already. this can lead to much bigger and irreparable damage to our progress,and /or season. some of our frailties,both on and off the pitch were not and still have not been addressed,and they won't be until a change is made I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Well it will come as no surprise to many that I voted yes. he fulfilled his remit getting us up. Which was the minimum objective,and it should have been with the resources available to him. Although west ham came very close to overhauling us ,which would have put a completely different Spin on things. And I League one we came runners up to the big spending powerhouse that is Brighton. he should be given the chance,but thus far he is floundering. i can see against some of the big guns we were going to struggle,but his lack of tactical nous has lost us points against them and Fulham. Now it is apparent that quite a few of you are having doubts in his abilities,some of whom slated me for having my doubts sometime ago ........lets hope the squad don't start have doubts and question some of his decisions.......or have they already. this can lead to much bigger and irreparable damage to our progress,and /or season. some of our frailties,both on and off the pitch were not and still have not been addressed,and they won't be until a change is made I'm afraid. There is nothing worng with doubting his CURRENT level - we KNOW he is struggling at times - the difference is that most believe he should be given the chance to sow what he can do, that he can learn - even if it takes 2 or 3 more seasons as we KNOW he will be a VERY good manager at the top level at some point - so most do not feel he should be sacked. If you are one of those that believes there is no other football than the prem and that being top flight is SOOOO important to your own ego, then getting in a FAT SAM type might keep us up... but like to think we are looking at the longer term and not just panicing over a the prem revenues - I dont know what s sadder; thats the SKY moeny has created such an economic divide and makes clubs panic and behave in a way that staying up is all that ever matters, of the fans that have been suckered in to this attitude as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Define a premiership manager for me.... Ian Holloway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Ooh, it's a very close poll. What a waste of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 (edited) There is nothing worng with doubting his CURRENT level - we KNOW he is struggling at times - the difference is that most believe he should be given the chance to sow what he can do, that he can learn - even if it takes 2 or 3 more seasons as we KNOW he will be a VERY good manager at the top level at some point - so most do not feel he should be sacked. If you are one of those that believes there is no other football than the prem and that being top flight is SOOOO important to your own ego, then getting in a FAT SAM type might keep us up... but like to think we are looking at the longer term and not just panicing over a the prem revenues - I dont know what s sadder; thats the SKY moeny has created such an economic divide and makes clubs panic and behave in a way that staying up is all that ever matters, of the fans that have been suckered in to this attitude as well... Well, will he definitely be a very good manager? Getting out of the NPC has been done by countless people who you think are terrible managers Edited 9 October, 2012 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 If we aspire to progress at Premier League level then stability is a key factor !! Chopping and changing managerial positions is seldom the answer and if we are not prepared to allow even a quarter of the season as a learning period then I despair ! There is nothing to be gained by short term solutions which are built on sand, solid foundations are necessary, patience and resolve are required to achieve this ! Good business people recognise this and I'll be very disappointed if NC does not ! Nigel has made mistakes like anyone would in his situation, but has clearly shown that he has strong personal characteristics and the motivation to succeed ! IMO he truly deserves the full support of everyone (board and fans alike!) and I am happy to note that over 90% on this website are in agreement !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Pity it's not a "public" poll, then we could have a good old witch hunt in a few weeks time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 I wonder if the poll would read different if it said "Do you think NC will sack Nigel this season?" Pointless asking the fans if they want to sack Nigel it's hardly their descion. Most of us like Nigel and want him to stay but more important is what NC thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 If we aspire to progress at Premier League level then stability is a key factor !! Chopping and changing managerial positions is seldom the answer and if we are not prepared to allow even a quarter of the season as a learning period then I despair ! There is nothing to be gained by short term solutions which are built on sand, solid foundations are necessary, patience and resolve are required to achieve this ! Good business people recognise this and I'll be very disappointed if NC does not ! Nigel has made mistakes like anyone would in his situation, but has clearly shown that he has strong personal characteristics and the motivation to succeed ! IMO he truly deserves the full support of everyone (board and fans alike!) and I am happy to note that over 90% on this website are in agreement !! Should we have stuck it out with gray.. Wiggly.... Redknapp.... Dodd and gorman I hope he is... But if nigel is not up to it.. Then I hope we don't stick with him We will know in the next 5 games or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Tactically he's been a joke this season. I'd seriously be looking at someone with a bit of experience to come in and work alongside him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Lindford Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 NO. Just where do people think we would be after the 7 games we have had?? Given that we have played City, Arsenal and Everton away and United, Wigan, Villa and Fulham at home we are, by my pre season reckoning, 3pts worse off than where I thought we would be. That is down purely to the Wigan game. Apart from the poor first half at Arsenal and the 20 mins at Everton we have not been played off the park by anyone. Just remember the performances against City and United, that is how far this team has come under NA in a very short space of time. That is the same United team that pretty much dominated Newcastle at St James Park on Sunday. We need an ugly 1-0 win to get the confidence levels up in the back 4, and be able to play the same back 4 regularly something which due to injuries we have not been able to do so far I think. Some of the 'newer' fans around where I sit in the Chapel do beggar belief with the negative comments made on Sunday. I do question where they were on cold November nights as some of the players who played on Sunday were playing the likes of Dagenham & Redbridge in League 1? Compare our start to that of Wet Spam, they are 2pts better off than us on games played against Villa and Fulham, with more luck we would be level. Look at their other games and I am sure we would have gained a similar amount of points if not more. Some people need to have a reality check. We are where we are on merit over the last 2 seasons, we have NO devine right to be here. The players and manager are good enough to be here, they have shown that in performances so far this season. IF over the course of a 38 game season the points gained are not enough to stay up then we will be where we (at that time) belong. To think about sacking a manager after 7 games is just madness, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 I would say this is pretty conclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Well it will come as no surprise to many that I voted yes. he fulfilled his remit getting us up. Which was the minimum objective,and it should have been with the resources available to him. Although west ham came very close to overhauling us ,which would have put a completely different Spin on things. And I League one we came runners up to the big spending powerhouse that is Brighton. How the hell was our minimum objective in the Championship automatic promotion? The resources available to us, compared to premiership clubs that came down like West Ham that's a joke statement right there. How many clubs have had two successive promotions to the premier league in the last 20 years? Us, Norwich and City. The minimum objective in the championship was to comfortably avoid going back to league 1, optimistically play offs, did anyone at the start of last season really think we would get promoted? he should be given the chance,but thus far he is floundering. i can see against some of the big guns we were going to struggle,but his lack of tactical nous has lost us points against them and Fulham. Now it is apparent that quite a few of you are having doubts in his abilities,some of whom slated me for having my doubts sometime ago ........lets hope the squad don't start have doubts and question some of his decisions.......or have they already. this can lead to much bigger and irreparable damage to our progress,and /or season. some of our frailties,both on and off the pitch were not and still have not been addressed,and they won't be until a change is made I'm afraid. "but his lack of tactical nous has lost us points against them and Fulham." Elaborate please, I don't see what exactly he could have done tactically to have stopped Hooiveld slicing a shot going wide into his own net. Tactics are well and good but go out the window when your players f*ck up, especially when they are sitting deep contrary to your instructions. "quite a few of you are having doubts". Poll says otherwise. Should we have stuck it out with gray.. Wiggly.... Redknapp.... Dodd and gorman I hope he is... But if nigel is not up to it.. Then I hope we don't stick with him We will know in the next 5 games or so How many of those managers had got 2 successive promotions? or had managed other clubs to promotions? Redknapp is the only name there that had experience and well he shouldn't have been here in the first place, the others were all completely inexperienced and unproven compared to Adkins, stupid comparison. Tactically he's been a joke this season. I'd seriously be looking at someone with a bit of experience to come in and work alongside him. Again elaborate on what is clearly a throwaway statement, I have seen nothing from my own observations, nor from comments from 'expert' pundits that indicates we have tactically been a 'joke'. We have conceded too many goals and virtually all of them are the result of individual player errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToreSF Posted 9 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 9 October, 2012 93 % of the saintsweb forum members stands behind Adkins as managers. So why is 93% of all the threads on this forum so ****ing negative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 93 % of the saintsweb forum members stands behind Adkins as managers. So why is 93% of all the threads on this forum so ****ing negative? Many of the same idiots post hundreds of posts per day and of course the other idiots from Pompey:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 93 % of the saintsweb forum members stands behind Adkins as managers. So why is 93% of all the threads on this forum so ****ing negative? Because of people like delldays who posted no on this poll but has spent the rest of the time telling everyone how utterly terrible Adkins has been this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Out of interest who do those who want Adkins out suggest we replace him with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Because of people like delldays who posted no on this poll but has spent the rest of the time telling everyone how utterly terrible Adkins has been this season. I don't want him gone as I want him to sucede... I don't want him shipped out.. But there has to be a point.. I can see us getting 1 point max from the next 3 games..... Throw that in with the 4 we already have and that would be utterly terrible and I think he will be gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Define a premiership manager for me.... One who has not had a team relegated from the Premiership? That rules Redkrapp out then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Out of interest who do those who want Adkins out suggest we replace him with? Dalek, over to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Should we have stuck it out with gray.. Wiggly.... Redknapp.... Dodd and gorman Should we have got rid of McMenemy when we got relegated in 74? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Let's try and keep all the Adkins debate in this thread for now, it's getting out of hand the amount of threads being started on the same topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 Should we have got rid of McMenemy when we got relegated in 74? Should we have kept Mark Wotte when we got relegated four years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 Should we have kept Mark Wotte when we got relegated four years ago? Yes. Frozen in carbonite. Nicola's favourite decoration. There will be no bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 Tactically he's been a joke this season. I'd seriously be looking at someone with a bit of experience to come in and work alongside him. That is the best comment I have seen for sometime Adkins has not managed in the PL before and I would have thought that it would be a good idea to have someone in to help him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 I wish I hadn't voted - it legitimises the question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Troy Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 I wish I hadn't voted - it legitimises the question I know what you're saying but I'm glad the question was asked. I had started to wonder with the number of negative threads if I was being naive by wanting to stick with Adkins (promoted, promoted, 17th so far - an excellent excellent record- and a decent bloke with a possible bright bright future). But turns out that the vast minority are simply more vocal and also that the only argument those with common sense have is wait and see which isn't much for a debate! Hope nc reads this and sees 95% with nige. Good luck bringing in a manager that 95% would be happy with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 We stuck with Steve Wigley for too long and look what happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 The main problem is some of our more simple fans seem incapable of differentiating criticism & questioning with negativity. You question whether spending a fortune on upgrading a stadium (currently) that isn't full, you're negative. You question bank loans being taken out when we're apparently rich, you're negative. You question signing attacking players when we're desperate for defenders, you're negative. You question substitutions that have cost us points, you're negative. Or of course you could just realise that you can support a manager and team but still be adult enough to look at weakness' and debate how these will be fixed. Sadly the web has made way too many too partisan so any intelligent discussion is smacked down by the kids that have grown up with The Bestest Everything in the WORLD EVER syndrome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 The poll results say it all. Perhaps the result of the same poll in December will be different, but right now we stick by Adkins, give him time and see what happens. I like what I've seen of our attacking play this season. Tighten up at the back and we'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sainta claus Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 No. And if young Nigel says he's happy He must be happy He must be happy in his work http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0X4Czq1c1E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 The main problem is some of our more simple fans seem incapable of differentiating criticism & questioning with negativity. You question whether spending a fortune on upgrading a stadium (currently) that isn't full, you're negative. You question bank loans being taken out when we're apparently rich, you're negative. You question signing attacking players when we're desperate for defenders, you're negative. You question substitutions that have cost us points, you're negative. Or of course you could just realise that you can support a manager and team but still be adult enough to look at weakness' and debate how these will be fixed. Sadly the web has made way too many too partisan so any intelligent discussion is smacked down by the kids that have grown up with The Bestest Everything in the WORLD EVER syndrome. good post...there does seem to be be a tendency for people to do the internet equivalent of sticking their fingers in their ears and going "lalalala I'm not listening to you" around here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smarmy Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 So nearly 7% of the people on here are complete idiots! I would have thought the percentage would have been a little higher, tbh, so that's a positive! What did people think the premier league would be like? You lose most weeks. A draw at home is a good result. Finishing 17th is success. If you want to win all the time, you're in the wrong league, bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 The main problem is some of our more simple fans seem incapable of differentiating criticism & questioning with negativity. You question whether spending a fortune on upgrading a stadium (currently) that isn't full, you're negative. You question bank loans being taken out when we're apparently rich, you're negative. You question signing attacking players when we're desperate for defenders, you're negative. You question substitutions that have cost us points, you're negative. Or of course you could just realise that you can support a manager and team but still be adult enough to look at weakness' and debate how these will be fixed. Sadly the web has made way too many too partisan so any intelligent discussion is smacked down by the kids that have grown up with The Bestest Everything in the WORLD EVER syndrome. There is nothing wrong with questions, however there are many posters who start with a clear negative agenda and then turn those questions into statements about how the club is f*cking up or Nigel is sh*t. You only have to look at the training ground work being stopped thread and the loan thread to see how people take a tiny snippet of unconfirmed information and then use for their own agenda and spew a load of essentially tosh. Same goes with the comments about the substitutions and the signing of players, just because a player gets subbed and we loose doesn't mean the two things are linked, same with recruitment in the summer, loads of posts I have seen seem to completely ignore that we actually signed 2 defenders and GK in the summer, or ignore that we chased Buttner for ages, but apparently spent too long on buying Ramirez. I see loads of posts criticising the signing of Jay Rod, yet no one has pointed out what the hell we would do if Lambert got injured. Loads of people criticised Adkins substitutions against Utd and Fulham but conveniently forget his excellent changes against Villa and Man City. Double standards, making 2+2=5, ignoring elements that conflict with your view, overly exaggerating issues is not intelligent discussion it's clearly a negative agenda and those posts are rightly attacked. When I see some "intelligent discussion" I'll let you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smarmy Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 I know this has all been said on other threads, but basically the only bad result is the Wigan one. 5-7 points would be par. Plus maybe losing 3-1 instead of 6-1 at Arsenal. However, fortunately some other teams have also seriously underperforned, so we are where we want to be in terms of league position. All those years of relegation battles, I always felt that as long as we were no more than 3 points from safety, we were OK. Relax. If you think/thought that we were going to sail into mid-table in our first season, then you are a fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now