Dr Who? Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Exactly. I couldn't really care who our manager is if results are doing the talking. Anyone who thinks NC will keep Adkins if we go down because he is the right man to bring us back up is in cuckoo land IMO. It won't get that far down the line. Somewhere there is a time limit or point target that if we are not on track NC will pull the trigger. Could be 10 games, end of November or Christmas but he will go if NC is not happy. Agreed. I would keep in on, but NC will not. He is the man at the top, and has not really got much to wrong at the moment. IMHO far to early, but come the end of November IF things are not looking good and we are in the bottom 3, Nigel's head could roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 No. ( And also an emphatic NO!!!!! to the option of ever having Redknapp back. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor_Saint Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Something's got to change. What is it? Need more money to buy a defence? Adkins was a great manager for us in League One and the Championship and was completely the right manager at the time. Now we've got the money and the infrastructure to get a proven Premiership manager in place. Sorry to say but, thanks Nigel for getting us here, but we need someone to take us up the Premier League table and into Europe. I'd never have thought that Nigel would have got us to the Premiership so quickly so I admire him for that and he's a really nice guy (having met him a few times) but he's not what we need to survive in this league. Guly on for Lambert to add some pace? lol PS NC is a business man, this is a business, we're no where near where he wants us to be so what will he do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 I think you are all missing the point with Adkins,he has been wobbling since last Christmas not just in the last few games,he did get us promoted but he nearly didn't....IMO he has been walking a fine line since about April and it wouldn't surprise me at all if NC doesn't use this 2 week break to make a change. If it does happen then it will be harsh but I wouldn't argue with it as NC makes the decisions and he hasn't made too many bad ones up until now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Sacking him is equivalent to playing in blue, renaming the stadium fratton park and breaking football. Stupid idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Now we've got the money.......Have we? Are you sure about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 The problem with your argument is that the shopping list you wrote is more-or-less identical to that being discussed by posters on here during the summer. So this "learning" theory seems a bit weak, tbh. Every single position was discussed by posters here during the summer. But that's not my point... you asked what miracle would occur during Jan that would differ from the summer. Experience is the answer. That's no miracle, but I'm not picking on individual word choices. We know NA wanted to strengthen the positions we now know for sure are our weaknesses, that was proven with the intent to sign the likes of Buttner, so it's not like there was no intention to address them. But for reasons we can only speculate on, those signings never happened. In Jan, with the benefit of experience and half a season of learning, we will be very focused. In fact, I dare say the work will begin ahead of Jan. The only risk to this is Cortese not stumping up the cash, which is a concern given how daft prices get in Jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 I thought we'd go up and lumped on it and got a nice wedge in return. I wasn't alone in that either. You can have your own opinion but not your own facts. To be fair most chairman will say that they expect their team to go up, I say it myself on football manager. I thought we may get into the playoffs, and I am very optimistic when it comes to saints. Not going lose any sleep just yet, but come and ask me again at the end of November. Did not notice to many on here backing us when we were 2nd........heard all the typical saints going to mess it up blah blah blah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 I can't believe there's a thread on this. Of course we don't sack him. Stability is what we need. We drew today. We lost our 2nd choice rb early in the game and had our star man out. The manager had a limited pack to shuffle and we didn't lose the game. For anyone voting yes, who could bring in? How would they do better with the squad we have? Madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 I can't believe there's a thread on this. Of course we don't sack him. Stability is what we need. We drew today. We lost our 2nd choice rb early in the game and had our star man out. The manager had a limited pack to shuffle and we didn't lose the game. For anyone voting yes, who could bring in? How would they do better with the squad we have? Madness. We should have strengthened at the back. Only those at the top know why we did not. I think there must be a good reason. Just not landing someone who is better than what we have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 No, but…… if he carries on making such bizarre substitutions then someone should have a word! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 We should have strengthened at the back. Only those at the top know why we did not. I think there must be a good reason. Just not landing someone who is better than what we have? Indeed we should have. We did in part, with Clyne and Yoshida, we also tried to sign others like Buttner, so it wasn't like we ignored this need. But it didn't happen as well as it should have. Come Jan, we can put this right, but in the mean time any manager who comes in has to work with the same resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 We should have strengthened at the back. Only those at the top know why we did not. I think there must be a good reason. Just not landing someone who is better than what we have? No idea, but I'm doubtful that NA is to blame. Its very unlikely that he had the final say on any proposed deal, and had any input on the commercial aspect of any deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Indeed we should have. We did in part, with Clyne and Yoshida, we also tried to sign others like Buttner, so it wasn't like we ignored this need. But it didn't happen as well as it should have. Come Jan, we can put this right, but in the mean time any manager who comes in has to work with the same resources. There you go. Nothing to do with experience. NC is going to wave his magical transfer wand in January, apparently.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerox Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 no - why is this even here????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 No idea, but I'm doubtful that NA is to blame. Its very unlikely that he had the final say on any proposed deal, and had any input on the commercial aspect of any deal. It was easy to get the best players in the lower leagues, but when you are competing with the rest of the premier league, it becomes difficult. Saying this there is a lot of ambition at the club, and it is a great set up. Lets hope we get the defence sorted. If we do mid table we will be come May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Originally there was a 5 year plan; with 2 years set aside to get out of League 1. But Cortese did an interview after sacking Pardew, saying that expectations had changed with us spending a good deal of money in the January window i.e. he expected promotion from it. It was an original 5 year plan but that soon changed, according to Cortese himself. Thank you. Much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 This is madness. He HAS to be given a proper chance...end of. I would rather us do the decent thing and stand by him and go down rather than knee jerk and stay up. Integrity loyalty and faith and I am not a happy clappy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLY Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 I must be a tool then as I want him out now, too many mistakes already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 This shouldn't be a poll, it shouldn't even be a thread. I hope Nigel is here for the very long term, I am proud to have him in charge of our club. This season will be difficult, and I wish a few more of our defensive targets had been acquired, but this is an over-arching project that requires a little perspective, and a little faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 This is madness. He HAS to be given a proper chance...end of. I would rather us do the decent thing and stand by him and go down rather than knee jerk and stay up. Integrity loyalty and faith and I am not a happy clappy. Have you forgotten the pain of relegation from the PL in 2005 already ? As a historian of the club, does looking back at, researching, and having knowledge of our various ups and downs through the leagues over the whole clubs history somehow desensitize you from the worst sensations felt after relegation ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 I must be a tool then as I want him out now, too many mistakes already. Billy, you can want this, and you will probably get your wish. Many different opinions are what make supporting a football club so great. I will say that 13 of you so far are so very wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 This is madness. He HAS to be given a proper chance...end of. I would rather us do the decent thing and stand by him and go down rather than knee jerk and stay up. Integrity loyalty and faith and I am not a happy clappy. Got to disagree Duncan. I would rather stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 There you go. Nothing to do with experience. NC is going to wave his magical transfer wand in January, apparently.... Please can you explain, as I genuinely don't understand, how deciding on transfer targets is not based on experience? Surely we will look at the specifics of our weaknesses - which we know is more complex than simply 'fullbacks' and focuses on what it is about our fullbacks that is weak - and use the experience of them so far in the Premiership to decide upon their replacements? Without experience, how can you do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Got to disagree Duncan. I would rather stay up. Agreed, this is more than just loyalty to one man. But there is nothing to suggest we can't keep NA and stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Yes if this poll was get rid of NA and 100% stay up. Then he would be gone, but knee jerk reaction now and still go down, bring in another manager for next season or after a few games. Yes we would be back to the Lowe days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Agreed, this is more than just loyalty to one man. But there is nothing to suggest we can't keep NA and stay up. I wish I could agree with you, as he has been great for us. But I've got no confidence in the bloke now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 I wish I could agree with you, as he has been great for us. But I've got no confidence in the bloke now. Oh dear. Dear oh f*cking dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 I wish I could agree with you, as he has been great for us. But I've got no confidence in the bloke now. So, who di you do you bring in? How does someone get better results with this squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Yes if this poll was get rid of NA and 100% stay up. Then he would be gone, but knee jerk reaction now and still go down, bring in another manager for next season or after a few games. Yes we would be back to the Lowe days! Why does bringing in a new manager at some point mean we will be back to the lowe days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redder freak Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 If Cortese sacks him I reckon we'll definitely be relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Why does bringing in a new manager at some point mean we will be back to the lowe days? Especially as we only got promoted from Division 3 because Pardew was sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 This is madness. He HAS to be given a proper chance...end of. I would rather us do the decent thing and stand by him and go down rather than knee jerk and stay up. Integrity loyalty and faith and I am not a happy clappy. I couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 (edited) Why does bringing in a new manager at some point mean we will be back to the lowe days? If we changed our manager now, got relegated, started badly, and changed our manager again. The would be 3 managers in a year, when we could have the same manager and be in the same boat, or better off. Really would like to have some stability at the club, and not knee jerk reaction like we used to have under Lowe. This and the wrong managers! Ok no one knows ow things would pan out if we do make the change, but I really want to know how well things do go this season, with him. Edited 7 October, 2012 by Dr Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 No, I certainly don't want him gone but he has to show clear signs that he is adapting to the higher level, just like the players. That's not going to happen in seven games, but there has to be clear evidence of progress. Questionable substitutions, positional/tactical indiscipline and even relatively small things like players (from a shallow squad) getting booked unnecessarily are not really signs that he is making that progress yet. I'm very hopeful that he will, and that we will soon be in a more comfortable position, which is why I voted No, but ask again at the end of November. That's the time to make a change, god forbid it should be needed, because the new guy would need time to properly assess the squad before the window opens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Why does bringing in a new manager at some point mean we will be back to the lowe days? I would have thought it was bleedin' obvious. Lowe sacked a manager after 2 games.Sacking a manager after just 7 games ( 3 of which being against the "big 4" ) is not very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MongoNeil Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Why are we even discussing this? Should stick with Nige this season, IF we go down, which we won't, who better to get us back up again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Oh dear. Dear oh f*cking dear. Only my opinion, sorry if you don't agree. I really hope I'm proved wrong to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAY-Z Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 I don't see why changing the manager is off limits if there is someone better to do the job - just like players are replaced by supposedly better players available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsmike25 Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Well Saints fans have spoken on here, clearly we should keep Adkins. We aren't bottom and there's so many more games to play, judging by recent performances we have turned a corner. 3-1 against Everton is not a disaster - once we start to pick points up away things will feel better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 I don't see why changing the manager is off limits if there is someone better to do the job - just like players are replaced by supposedly better players available Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 embaressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 I do wish there was a more level headed saints forum somewhere, because when the chips are down, this place is horrible. Somebody posted the other day about how he thought relegation to lg1 had broken the spirit and backbone of many Saints fans and that too many had turned into needy, whiny sorts that you'd never want as a partner. Good observation imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 I would like to see Adkins given time to learn Pemiership management, but I doubt he will be given long. We can't afford relegation and the Chairman knows it, so he has to be convinced Adkins can at the very least keep us up, but ideally compete. With the 11 available who started/finished the Villa game it's possible, but Jos is having a nightmare (admitted as much on his own Twitter feed) and we need a settled back five. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 embaressing. What, this thread or poor spelling? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 I would like to see Adkins given time to learn Pemiership management, but I doubt he will be given long. We can't afford relegation and the Chairman knows it, so he has to be convinced Adkins can at the very least keep us up, but ideally compete. All the more so for the fact that the financial gap between the Premier League and the rest will increase dramatically after this season. It's very noble for people to say that if we go back down Nigel can bring us straight back up again, but we can pretty much guarantee that Cortese doesn't see the situation like that. I reckon NA has until mid-November at the latest to achieve a fairly solid footing but I'm still hopeful he can do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Yeah cos panicking and sacking the manager is a policy that has always worked out well for us in the past isn't it. Oh, hang on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 All the more so for the fact that the financial gap between the Premier League and the rest will increase dramatically after this season. It's very noble for people to say that if we go back down Nigel can bring us straight back up again, but we can pretty much guarantee that Cortese doesn't see the situation like that. I reckon NA has until mid-November at the latest to achieve a fairly solid footing but I'm still hopeful he can do it. Agreed. There is no way Cortese will countenance relegation. You don't have a five year plan, overdeliver and then undo it all. There will be no sentiment with Adkins and probably rightly so. But like you, I want him to come good - we need young English managers to succeed playing the right way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Yeah cos panicking and sacking the manager is a policy that has always worked out well for us in the past isn't it. Oh, hang on.... Er yes. Sacking Pardew after four games worked out very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Er yes. Sacking Pardew after four games worked out very well. Yeah but Pardew's sacking wasn't a knee-jerk response to a bad run of results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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