RedArmy Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Why did we loan him out again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Doing well at forest though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Pointless thread. We score goals. Just can't keep them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Would rather give him a go than Jay rod tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Sharp is not the answer ,jay looked ok today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 All I'd like to add is that Ted Bates in our current situation would have moved FONTE up in attack and would have had a goalscorer and an additional defender all in one. Atkins ought to be taking a look at this proposal. Can't get any worse that the defence and substitutions he is making week in, week out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 All I'd like to add is that Ted Bates in our current situation would have moved FONTE up in attack and would have had a goalscorer and an additional defender all in one. Atkins ought to be taking a look at this proposal. Can't get any worse that the defence and substitutions he is making week in, week out. You are a bit nuts Art. (He's also called Adkins) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge_B Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 I like Billy Sharp but I definitely didn't leave the stadium today thinking that he was the missing link... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 If Mayuka can't get a game then Billy Sharp isn't going to either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 He's not the answer to our problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essruu Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 He's a nice bloke and everybody likes him; That alone doesn't make him a Premier League quality striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 You are a bit nuts Art. (He's also called Adkins) For your sake I had thought to put INAPTKINS but thought he deserved another week or two. As older members will tell you Ted wasn't against taking a defender and moving him further up and adding another defender in defence. More recently Kenwyn Jones who came as a centre back got moved to the wing, to a striker position. Fonte has talent, tho many don't see his abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Quality striker who i feel would be better then Jay Rod, however Jay Rods performance didn't cost us the game, ITS the pace of attacking players our defenders cant handle, specially without Clyne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Doing well at forest though is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 is he? Um.. 6 appearances and no goals according to Wikipedia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBenali Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Is currently behind Cox & Blackstock in the pecking order at Forest - he's only started the last couple of games due to their suspension. I'm pretty sure we'd still have scored the same number of goals had he still been here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colbury Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 is he? He wasn't being sarcastic then, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Would rather give him a go than Jay rod tbh Which indicates that you are ****ing clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 7 October, 2012 Share Posted 7 October, 2012 Sharp is not the answer ,jay looked ok today You've ****ing lost your head. Jay looked like a little school boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 You are a bit nuts Art. (He's also called Adkins) join the club ART..... I also mis-spelt Nigel ADkins name incorrectly on one occasion..... and the language police caught me too.... Have you noticed how they never make a mistake ! ....pity they can't contribute more to the subject of discussion about the team....... instead of correcting Freudian slips when someone gets a bit of brain-fade.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfclegend Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 Scoring goals has hardly been our problem has it? Also with the formation we're playing there is no way you could play Sharp up front by himself and expect it to go well in the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 You've ****ing lost your head. Jay looked like a little school boy. Not at all. J-Rod offers so much more than Sharp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 You've ****ing lost your head. Jay looked like a little school boy. No he didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 Jay Rod should only be played in a 4-3-3 when Lambert is not on the pitch. He can score goals when the lone striker as he showed in the Cup. The other players in the 4-3-3 should be Ramirez and Puncheon with Mayuka and Lee as their backups (when all fit!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 Um.. 6 appearances and no goals according to Wikipedia. I watched Forest play Palace a few weeks ago, have to say, Sharp looked lively but the service from the midfield behind him was woeful, him and Cox were getting nothing. Palace were all over them, Forest looked sh!te and were lucky to get a draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 J Rod any day of the week over Sharp thanks. Much better prospect as the long term solution in the Prem Liked Sharp last season, grafter and finisher but must be going through a serious rough patch in the NPC right now, so never the answer for us. How many would Sharp have got playing out on the wing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 For the J rod lovers: at seven million pounds what has he offered so far? not what could he offer.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 J Rod any day of the week over Sharp thanks. Much better prospect as the long term solution in the Prem Liked Sharp last season, grafter and finisher but must be going through a serious rough patch in the NPC right now, so never the answer for us. How many would Sharp have got playing out on the wing? and that's bad becuase? Look sharp out scored J-rod last season so he must have something about him. I've only watched J-rod against Wednesday in the cup and he looked OK against a poor championship side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 For the J rod lovers: at seven million pounds what has he offered so far? not what could he offer.. Not a great deal, but bear in mind that 70% of his time here he has been accommodated in a position which isn't his. So that goes against him, as he hasn't been able to make a great of an impact. Yesterday was his chance as a central striker, and I didn't think he did too badly. His movement and runs along the back 4 are terrific and always well timed. You can see the quality there, but I think he's still not quite sure about his surroundings. Whatever though, it's a little silly to write off a player who is only 7 games into his saints career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 and that's bad becuase? Look sharp out scored J-rod last season so he must have something about him. I've only watched J-rod against Wednesday in the cup and he looked OK against a poor championship side. where did i say that was bad? I said I liked him last season. Clearly though he is not in the same form now in the NPC, so why on earth would he be the answer for us. Sharp did brilliantly last season, but 9 of his goals were for us (i.e. a top performing, attacking, promotion winning team) If the recipe for a Premier League striker was simply based on goals scored in the NPC, then the top 3 scorers would move to Premier League every season. Ross McCormack got 18 so why has no one has bought him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 where did i say that was bad? I said I liked him last season. Clearly though he is not in the same form now in the NPC, so why on earth would he be the answer for us. Sharp did brilliantly last season, but 9 of his goals were for us (i.e. a top performing, attacking, promotion winning team) If the recipe for a Premier League striker was simply based on goals scored in the NPC, then the top 3 scorers would move to Premier League every season. Ross McCormack got 18 so why has no one has bought him? What would you like to base the performance of a striker on if not goals? we bought a NPC striker when we already had one who had done better last season. I have no idea if Sharp would have been any good for us in the PL he was written off and loaned out before we even got the chance to find out but he could hardly of done any worse than Jrod. Part of the problem for Jrod is his price tag has come with big expectations like or not 7 million quid means people will expect something from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 What would you like to base the performance of a striker on if not goals? we bought a NPC striker when we already had one who had done better last season. I have no idea if Sharp would have been any good for us in the PL he was written off and loaned out before we even got the chance to find out but he could hardly of done any worse than Jrod. Part of the problem for Jrod is his price tag has come with big expectations like or not 7 million quid means people will expect something from him. I accept the point on expectations based on the price tag But you still think Sharp was better based on total goals scored (4 more) even though 9 were in our top of the table side, against the 15 Jrod got for Burnley. If you don't know what else to base a striker decision on, then how about: age, career development so far, potential for further rate of improvement, height, weight, attitude to training, willingness to learn, movement, positoning, pace, ability with either foot, ability in the air, off the pitch character, dressing room "fit"', level headedness, reports from coaches who have worked with a player before, potential resale value. I repeat that I really liked Sharp last year. On many of these counts Sharp rates well, thats why we bought him. But i do think he was a signing to make sure we got promoted and not much more. I don't think he is what we need now, and Forest dont seem to think they really need him in the NPC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 (edited) Billy comes into the category (for me) of those mid-season arrivals who are always there to help us over the finish line in the last month, but perhaps... never quite make it... to the top level. The list is not long, and (sadly) often forgettable; 1965/66 - only first team run out for reserve CF Norman Dean who scored 9 goals between New Year and Easter (incl. hat-trick at Fratton Park) and we won promotion, then he was replaced by Ron Davies. !977-78 - reserve striker Tony Funnell (19) came on and scored TWICE v. Palace in March 78... .and then scored 5 more goals in the next 9 starts. We won promotion by one point, but he never scored again. 1993 - Nicky Banger scored in three successive matches when coming on as sub. in February and later scored in the 1-0 win v. Chelsea . We struggled that season and stayed up - by ONE point. 1997 - f. Plymouth striker Micky Evans scored 4 times in less than a month and all his goals gained points. We stayed up by goal diff. but sadly it was goodbye Micky when Souness came as manager. 1999 - Marian Pahars scored the 3 most valuable goals in the The Great Escape season...we stayed up and the rest ..is legend, and thankfully Pahars continued to play for several seasons after. 2012- without be-littling Rickie Lambert in any way, he scored only 3 times in the last 9 games....but it was Billy who scored 8 goals in the last 8 games...and we all know how close it was at the end. Billy, goal-poacher who scores with a clumsy kick, a scuffed drive or the " in-off-the body " shots was mainly responsible for promotion in the Spring, but his manner and body-language aren't "Premier League ". Like many, we hope his sojourn at Forest gives him... games, goals and confidence -and he comes back re-energized, but if not - he joins the unsung heroes (above) who were the "Man of the Moment " when it mattered, but faded into the history books. Whatever happens (to him), IMHO - he had repaid his transfer fee.... by the end of last season. Edited 8 October, 2012 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 8 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 8 October, 2012 It's got nothing to do with goals. We have nobody that can come on to replace Lambert that can hold the ball up, keep it in their half and keep the pressure off our back 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 It's got nothing to do with goals. We have nobody that can come on to replace Lambert that can hold the ball up, keep it in their half and keep the pressure off our back 4. This thread is about the merits,or otherwise, of Sharp. Are you saying that he would be the person you are referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 For the J rod lovers: at seven million pounds what has he offered so far? not what could he offer.. There was similar stuff aimed at Andy Carroll but he will come good. Jay showed to me he had what it takes,you don't,that's football for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 8 October, 2012 Share Posted 8 October, 2012 He's a nice bloke and everybody likes him; That alone doesn't make him a Premier League quality striker. Only ten minutes on the pitch as a late sub against Man City does not prove that he is not Premiership class. Sharp was the striker in form during pre-season and also he was the striker in form that took us to the Premiership at the end of last season, when Rickie was having a poor patch. Have you forgotten? Those stats alone should have given him the opportunity to prove himself in the Premiership. He was shipped out on loan because Mayuka was brought in. Yet for some reason Mayuka hasn't been given match time. Which makes it the more curiouser that Sharp was loaned out. Sharp may not have the speed of JayRod or Mayuka, but he is pretty accurate n front of goal and I would have wagered that he would have scored more than Rodrigues if he had had the same time on pitch. Does anyone know if we have a recall clause on Sharp's loan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 J-Rod has been a complete waste of money. Mayuka is completely unknown. We should've kept Sharp, as others have said he was our in-form striker. Why get rid of him if Mayuka wasn't ready to play. It makes no sense and just reinforces the fact that Nigel has made some awful decisions this season. I have a gut feeling that if Sharp was still here he'd have scored more than J-Rod & Mayuka this season, but in reality we'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 J-Rod has been a complete waste of money. Mayuka is completely unknown. We should've kept Sharp, as others have said he was our in-form striker. Why get rid of him if Mayuka wasn't ready to play. It makes no sense and just reinforces the fact that Nigel has made some awful decisions this season. I have a gut feeling that if Sharp was still here he'd have scored more than J-Rod & Mayuka this season, but in reality we'll never know. Bit harsh on Mayuka, he won the Golden Boot in the African Cup of Nations, has scored against good opposition in Europe and he is still only 21. To me, from what I've seen, he looks like a good player and a great prospect. He was close to signing for another Premier League club too before we came in for him remember. I have a gut feeling he'll be very good for us once he's given a run in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Only ten minutes on the pitch as a late sub against Man City does not prove that he is not Premiership class. Sharp was the striker in form during pre-season and also he was the striker in form that took us to the Premiership at the end of last season, when Rickie was having a poor patch. Have you forgotten? Those stats alone should have given him the opportunity to prove himself in the Premiership. He was shipped out on loan because Mayuka was brought in. Yet for some reason Mayuka hasn't been given match time. Which makes it the more curiouser that Sharp was loaned out. Sharp may not have the speed of JayRod or Mayuka, but he is pretty accurate n front of goal and I would have wagered that he would have scored more than Rodrigues if he had had the same time on pitch. Does anyone know if we have a recall clause on Sharp's loan? Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 J-Rod has been a complete waste of money. Mayuka is completely unknown. We should've kept Sharp, as others have said he was our in-form striker. Why get rid of him if Mayuka wasn't ready to play. It makes no sense and just reinforces the fact that Nigel has made some awful decisions this season. I have a gut feeling that if Sharp was still here he'd have scored more than J-Rod & Mayuka this season, but in reality we'll never know. Lucky you are not in charge. I might agree we should have kept Sharp but we don't know yet how good Mayuka might be. Equally though, to say JRod is a complete waste of money is idiotic. How do you know Sharp would have been better in our new formation - never struck me as suited to being on the wing. JRod is not either, so lay off and wait to see before making snap dumb judgments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Bit harsh on Mayuka, he won the Golden Boot in the African Cup of Nations, has scored against good opposition in Europe and he is still only 21. To me, from what I've seen, he looks like a good player and a great prospect. He was close to signing for another Premier League club too before we came in for him remember. I have a gut feeling he'll be very good for us once he's given a run in the team. Agree and some of this applies to JRod too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 Worth pointing out that Sharp hasn't scored for Forest yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 October, 2012 Share Posted 9 October, 2012 (edited) you trusted Adkins when he brought him in, why is his judgement being doubted now? Sharp is a Championship striker and no more. He offers little other than goal poaching. I for one am happy that we have shipped him out in favour of the signings we brought in. Mayuka looks a genuine talent to me and I saw some good things in Rodriguez on Sunday (both are still relatively young with room for improvement) that I have not seen before from him - decent turn of foot, confidence to run with the ball, good work rate, not bad in the air and willingness to put himself about to unsettle centre halves. Sharp offers none of those facets. I thought Austin was the more dangerous of the two strikers at Burnley so was sceptical about his signing, but hopefully he'll progress quickly. I guess what he doesn't offer is Sharp's goal poaching, but I've never been a fan of strikers that do jack all game and just wait for a chance to come there way. A promoted side can't carry a goal poacher. they need work rate and threat and the ability to create something out of nothing for themselves. Sharp against Blackburn last week missed a real sitter to win the game. Forest fans aren't overly impressed so far and prefer Cox. Edited 9 October, 2012 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 With the injury list ever growing, I believe we are going to rue the day we loaned out Billy, not to mention Martin. We were in too much of a hurry to reduce the salaries following the close of the transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 With the injury list ever growing, I believe we are going to rue the day we loaned out Billy, not to mention Martin. We were in too much of a hurry to reduce the salaries following the close of the transfer window. Does Billy play right back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 Worth pointing out that Sharp hasn't scored for Forest yet? And only got back into the team recently because of suspensions. Have seen him on the box a few times and I have to say not impressed. I don't think he is Premiership class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 And only got back into the team recently because of suspensions. Have seen him on the box a few times and I have to say not impressed. I don't think he is Premiership class. I do agree.... I do feel we paid the £1.8m to get us over the line.... And he did just that... Sadly, goal poachers are just not suited to top flight football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyb1 Posted 10 October, 2012 Share Posted 10 October, 2012 He's not good enough for the prem, you can see that pretty easily.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 10 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 10 October, 2012 He's not good enough for the prem, you can see that pretty easily.. After one sub appearance? Some said the same about Lambert.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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