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david in sweden

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wasn't Rickie's day today. He had the best chances in the match from either side, and he never looked like scoring from any of them.

 

Puncheon looked good going forward - first half, but in midfield he kept falling over..... looking for a free kick ...

 

I didn't think Chaplow looked any worse.....and at least Guly got stuck in .....

 

There's a lot not right at present but being without two of your best players....and then making defensive changes after 5 minutes didn't help.

 

If Jos hadn't have scored an own goal... we'd have said he did OK.

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COYR_CHEF

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Awful subs...

1-0 up half hour to go an goes defensive.. Bull**** manager bull**** subs bull**** result..

 

Bring on Mayuka instead of guly (tho yes guly did 2 nice things) and lets use his pace to push for 2-0!!

 

Rodriguez busted his ass all day, finishing needs confidence but he's still better than SDR, Morgan was rusty but a bull, Davis ok, punch ok tho could have laid off a bit earlier at times, Lallana quiet today and Poor covering of fox, lambo just didn't have his boots on, but showed his class in making the right placements..

 

Just frustrating.. Yes gaston would have helped, but geez BERBATOV would have torn us a new ass...

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OldNick

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wasn't Rickie's day today. He had the best chances in the match from either side, and he never looked like scoring from any of them.

 

Puncheon looked good going forward - first half, but in midfield he kept falling over..... looking for a free kick ...

 

I didn't think Chaplow looked any worse.....and at least Guly got stuck in .....

 

There's a lot not right at present but being without two of your best players....and then making defensive changes after 5 minutes didn't help.

 

If Jos hadn't have scored an own goal... we'd have said he did OK.

He is the only really class player we have,to take him off is a fillip to the opposition. He can score at anytime

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Coca Cola Saint

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Puncheon was poor second half, everytime he went forward with the ball he made the wrong decision and was left on the floor. Doesnt ever go outside the full back to the byline and takes too much time on the ball. Plus he completely bottled a 50/50 in the first half so dont think he was that great today.

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Puncheon was poor second half, everytime he went forward with the ball he made the wrong decision and was left on the floor. Doesnt ever go outside the full back to the byline and takes too much time on the ball. Plus he completely bottled a 50/50 in the first half so dont think he was that great today.
Which if he hadn't of bottled, Rodriguez was waiting to be slipped in for a 1 on 1. Whether he would've scored that remains to be seen, I've seen nothing from him to suggest he can score goals in the PL.

 

Should never have let Sharp go.

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badgerx16

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It's amazing how many people have got crystal balls and KNOW, after the final whistle, that in any particular game a specific decision by the manager 'cost' us. NA had his reasons for the decisions he made, he's the manager and it's his call. Hindsight is a wonderful critical weapon, unfortunately football managers are not granted a similar amount of foresight to be sure that what they are doing will have the desired effect.

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Saint Paul

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Taking off possibly our two best options going forwards seems ridiculous when only 1-0 up. As soon as Lambert comes off it takes the pressure off from the oposition defence and encourages them to play further up the pitch. We aren't great at the back and yes over reaction from Adkins in my opinion.

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You do not take your best players off if they are not injured! When do UTD take Rooney off when a game is tight? They do not as he is a class player who can change a game in a second! For me lambert is our best player so if not injured why take him off ?

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Agree with the Puncheon-Chaplow sub.

 

But we lost two points from the Lambert-Do Prado (Mayuka?!?!?!) substitution. We lost pressure on their back 4 and defensive midfield and gained really nothing from it.

 

What a way to celebrate the renewal of your contract, drink driving and a pair of useless performances....

 

And as I repeated to my fellow fans in the stand, 7 MILLION POUNDS FOR RODRIGUEZ?!?!?!

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That's all very well to say that Badger, and some of the criticism of Nigel has been OTT on here but he hasn't learned from the Man U debacle and that's 5 points lost at home as a direct result. Sometimes, the manager isn't always right and that's why we need to get more Premier League experience around Nigel on bench. It gave Fulham a huge lift to see Rickie go off, they couldn't believe their luck. Nigel needs a robust reason for why he made that decision and I hope for his sake it's good such as Rickie had picked up a knock.

 

David in Sweden - do you seriously think Jos did OK apart from the OG? He cr@pped himself every time the ball or Rodrellga came near him and his positioning was appalling. Thank God Fonte was having a stormer next to him. Hope Nigel is getting Luke Shaw ready to start soon if Clyne is out for any period of time because we are short of cover at FBs. Richardson will be out for at least 6-8 weeks if that is a thigh tear.

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I reckon had billy sharp got the 2 chances jay has had in the last 2 games at least one of them would have been a goal. As someone else said taking lambert off just helps the other team. They know he's our best forward and seeing him go off seems to help them raise their game. As for the subs themselves I thought ugly played ok but would personally have taken j rod off for him if anyone. The punch one was a mystery to me as he was always involved and was forcing jol to keep risse pegged back. As we saw once he went off he caused as a lot of trouble once he could come forward more. It is a worry that Adkins doesn't seem to have a coherent plan for subs beyond our plan A, Mayuka must wonder what he has to do to get more than 5 mins!

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Puncheon actually had a knock, he signaled around 5mins prior to his sub - and then went down the tunnel.

 

There's not a hell of a lot Adkins can do. We are being ripped apart by injuries at the moment, we look like we're made of glass.

 

The reality is that we're pretty threadbare all over at the moment. The international break couldn't have come at a better time.

 

With the problems we had with the squad, getting a 2-2 draw has to be seen as a positive in my opinion.

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Bizarre substitutions.

 

Mayuka for JP would have made sense to try and strech Fulham.

 

Taking Lambert off borders lunacy unless he is injured, he's the one most likely to hold the ball up to allow us to group and create anything.

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Bizarre substitutions.

 

Mayuka for JP would have made sense to try and strech Fulham.

 

Taking Lambert off borders lunacy unless he is injured, he's the one most likely to hold the ball up to allow us to group and create anything.

 

Mayuka is still not quite 100%.

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The Kraken

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Mayuka is still not quite 100%.

 

Was he really that much off match fitness that he couldn't have managed 25 minutes? Because, if so, he really shouldn't be on the bench.

 

Chaplow for Puncheon played right into Fulham's hands. Riise looked ok going forwards and poor in defence; when Puncheon attacked it looked like he'd get something every time. Putting Chaplow on completely stopped that supply line and massively curtailed our attacking options.

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Agree with the Puncheon-Chaplow sub.

 

But we lost two points from the Lambert-Do Prado (Mayuka?!?!?!) substitution. We lost pressure on their back 4 and defensive midfield and gained really nothing from it.

 

What a way to celebrate the renewal of your contract, drink driving and a pair of useless performances....

And as I repeated to my fellow fans in the stand, 7 MILLION POUNDS FOR RODRIGUEZ?!?!?!

 

I must have been watching a different game; I thought Guly was very good when he came on.

 

But yes; I'm really starting to wonder what on earth we've got for £7M in Rodriguez, I thought he was very poor today.

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Agree with some of the comments about, Punch off for Chaplow made sense as Chaplow provided Yoshida some cover down the right, as he really isn't a RB. That was a sensible move, despite Punch having a very good attacking game.

 

But taking Lambert off was madness. This game, even towards the end, suited him and the way we play with him. We took him off and then continue to play in the way we do with him on, so it made no sense. If it was a tactical move to change the way we play, fine, I could understand it. But we didn't do that, we carried on lumping it to the back post and trying to play through positions normally occupied by Lambert.

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Guly was more involved than RL had been in the 2nd half and solidified the middle whilst offering something going forward.

 

People moaning about RL going off are judging him on his goalscoring ability rather than his 2nd half performance. The team benefited from Guly being on the pitch.

 

I can't believe anyone honestly believes that Puncheon should have stayed on. He left Yoshida exposed and offered no threat going forward. Chappers tightened up the right side.

 

Does anyone really feel that Chappers for Punch hindered the team?

 

Was RL really more effective 2nd half than Guly was?

 

None of the moaners have said what subs they feel should have been made.

 

I'm as frustrated as anyone that we didn't win but I don't think that was down to NA.

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Puncheon was poor second half, everytime he went forward with the ball he made the wrong decision and was left on the floor. Doesnt ever go outside the full back to the byline and takes too much time on the ball. Plus he completely bottled a 50/50 in the first half so dont think he was that great today.

 

The substitutions were not that bad, both Ricky and Puncheon had run out of ideas by the time they got taken off. You were very limited as to who you could substitute with only Lallana and Rodriques the alternatives as any of the others would have destroyed the shape of the team. If I had to pick two players for substitution it would have been Lambert and Puncheon, both running out of ideas and fitness. I was more surprised that Fulham did not have a go at us and took all three points. Can't complain at that result with what we put out on the pitch.

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Guly was more involved than RL had been in the 2nd half and solidified the middle whilst offering something going forward.

 

People moaning about RL going off are judging him on his goalscoring ability rather than his 2nd half performance. The team benefited from Guly being on the pitch.

 

I can't believe anyone honestly believes that Puncheon should have stayed on. He left Yoshida exposed and offered no threat going forward. Chappers tightened up the right side.

 

Does anyone really feel that Chappers for Punch hindered the team?

 

Was RL really more effective 2nd half than Guly was?

 

None of the moaners have said what subs they feel should have been made.

 

I'm as frustrated as anyone that we didn't win but I don't think that was down to NA.

 

This. Well said

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The players who came on did ok individually, but the whole shape of the team went to shreds. This is not the first time that this has happened and unless Adkins learns very quickly I can't see him lasting long at this level.
Did it though? I think we were on the back foot anyway. It certainly didn't go to rat sh!t when the subs were made, it was poor anyway. As I said on another thread, the first sub was forced on him, the second sub was probably correct also. The only slightly debatable one was Lambert, but only because we went 1-2 down and I could see us scoring an equaliser with him off the pitch - but fortunately we did.
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Guly was more involved than RL had been in the 2nd half and solidified the middle whilst offering something going forward.

 

People moaning about RL going off are judging him on his goalscoring ability rather than his 2nd half performance. The team benefited from Guly being on the pitch.

 

I can't believe anyone honestly believes that Puncheon should have stayed on. He left Yoshida exposed and offered no threat going forward. Chappers tightened up the right side.

 

Does anyone really feel that Chappers for Punch hindered the team?

 

Was RL really more effective 2nd half than Guly was?

 

None of the moaners have said what subs they feel should have been made.

 

I'm as frustrated as anyone that we didn't win but I don't think that was down to NA.

RL is the teams talisman.He gives the rest of the team confidence and skill that puts pressure on the opposition.when he is taken off the rest of the team lose something. Add to that his defending and it seems madness to take him off. AL would have Ben missed less
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The players who came on did ok individually, but the whole shape of the team went to shreds. This is not the first time that this has happened and unless Adkins learns very quickly I can't see him lasting long at this level.

 

This is down to the discipline of players, and a lack of on pitch leadership.

 

Guly had a link role so that didn't affect the general shape. Chappers was a like for like positional change. AL isn't a leader or organizer and it doesn't help that for all his qualities, he gets into awful positions.

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None of the moaners have said what subs they feel should have been made.

 

I'd have had Mayuka for Puncheon. Chaplow did ok but did nothing going forwards, Puncheon at least looked like he was capable of creating something and putting their defence on the back foot. Riise is pretty poor defensively and we could have exploited that; as it was we played into his hands.

 

Guly played very well when he came on, but I'd have taken JRod off instead. Lambert wasn't great at all but he held it up well and gave Haangeland something to think about. Against JRod, Haangeland was just an utter beast and it was totally one sided.

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Nigel's body language did not look good today and hasn't much this season, but today he looked a man resigned to his fate. These days he sits a lot and didn't even look as though he wanted to celebrate our first goal whilst others were leaping around him. Normally he celebrates enthusiastically. Unfortunately Nige has taken to channelling Burley with his substitutions and this may well cost him.

 

It may not be to Nigel's advantage that there is an upcoming International break as it might just be that Cortese is a man with too much time on his hands over the next couple of weeks ...

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NA is starting to **** me off now. Chaps for Punch yeah fair one but takng off Lambert was a disgrace. NA did such a fab jo getting us promoted 2 years in a row but now he is out of his deepth. His errors are costing us games Short interantional break ,.................... tme to go Nigel

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NA is starting to **** me off now. Chaps for Punch yeah fair one but takng off Lambert was a disgrace. NA did such a fab jo getting us promoted 2 years in a row but now he is out of his deepth. His errors are costing us games Short interantional break ,.................... tme to go Nigel
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Nigel's body language did not look good today and hasn't much this season, but today he looked a man resigned to his fate. These days he sits a lot and didn't even look as though he wanted to celebrate our first goal whilst others were leaping around him. Normally he celebrates enthusiastically. Unfortunately Nige has taken to channelling Burley with his substitutions and this may well cost him.

 

It may not be to Nigel's advantage that there is an upcoming International break as it might just be that Cortese is a man with too much time on his hands over the next couple of weeks ...

 

I said exactly the same thing to my old man.

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The substitutions were not that bad, both Ricky and Puncheon had run out of ideas by the time they got taken off. You were very limited as to who you could substitute with only Lallana and Rodriques the alternatives as any of the others would have destroyed the shape of the team. If I had to pick two players for substitution it would have been Lambert and Puncheon, both running out of ideas and fitness. I was more surprised that Fulham did not have a go at us and took all three points. Can't complain at that result with what we put out on the pitch.

 

Are you taking the ****? Punch yeah but Lambert no way?

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