buctootim Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 The naked rambler - an ex marine from Eastleigh has spent nearly all of the past six years in prison because he refuses to wear clothes. Nothing sexual, just walking around naked. He has consistently been arrested and jailed, especially in Scotland. The guy has been trying make a point about freedom. Personally Im not sure the point is worth making but imo his treatment is a really sad indictment of what a controlling and intolerant society we have become. You need a few harmless oddballs and characters. My kids have seen the naked bike ride by chance when we were in Brighton, they thought it was hilarious. Should this guy get years in prison until he conforms to a social norm? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19625542 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 The naked rambler - an ex marine from Eastleigh has spent nearly all of the past six years in prison because he refuses to wear clothes. Nothing sexual, just walking around naked. He has consistently been arrested and jailed, especially in Scotland. The guy has been trying make a point about freedom. Personally Im not sure the point is worth making but imo his treatment is a really sad indictment of what a controlling and intolerant society we have become. You need a few harmless oddballs and characters. My kids have seen the naked bike ride by chance when we were in Brighton, they thought it was hilarious. Should this guy get years in prison until he conforms to a social norm? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19625542 Good post and I agree shows how much of a puritan nation we still are Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 I was just reading that very same article and was going to post it on here. Most of his arrests have been for contempt of court and for walking near kiddies playgrounds naked! Fair enough if he wants to be naked do it in the comfort of his own home or other "sanctioned" areas but there are limits!! If society didn't have rules...... Basically I don't know what point I'm trying to make... He is an oddball though, has refused to have psychological counselling to see if he is indeed mad. If the authorities are that against it can't they banish him to some unpopulated island somewhere?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 5 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 5 October, 2012 (edited) I was just reading that very same article and was going to post it on here. Most of his arrests have been for contempt of court and for walking near kiddies playgrounds naked! Fair enough if he wants to be naked do it in the comfort of his own home or other "sanctioned" areas but there are limits!! If society didn't have rules...... Basically I don't know what point I'm trying to make... He is an oddball though, has refused to have psychological counselling to see if he is indeed mad. If the authorities are that against it can't they banish him to some unpopulated island somewhere?? That whole contempt of court thing has always puzzled me with regard to points of principal. Sure a court has the power to punish you for a crime, but to then punish you again because you dont agree with its judgement smacks of something dark and intolerant to me. He has been arrested for walking past kids playgrounds and schools - but as far as I know he is just doing that as a normal part of a life on the road - he isnt specifically targetting them or marching up and down outside for hours - which I agree would be unacceptable, as would hanging around any location or group specfically. Seems an odd rule anyway - as if kids are only found at schools. Edited 5 October, 2012 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 He is an oddball though, has refused to have psychological counselling to see if he is indeed mad. Why should he? He has just made a choice that he doesn't want to conform to what society considers 'normal'. I find it sad that when somebody comes along who chooses not to be a sheep and just go with the flow for the sake of fitting in, society generally assumes they must be a fruitcake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 Why should he? He has just made a choice that he doesn't want to conform to what society considers 'normal'. I find it sad that when somebody comes along who chooses not to be a sheep and just go with the flow for the sake of fitting in, society generally assumes they must be a fruitcake. Would you feel comfortable with him wandering right past your kids stark ******** naked... Scratching his balls and picking his arse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 (edited) Why should he? He has just made a choice that he doesn't want to conform to what society considers 'normal'. I find it sad that when somebody comes along who chooses not to be a sheep and just go with the flow for the sake of fitting in, society generally assumes they must be a fruitcake. But to live and be accepted as a member of any society you have got to live and abide by their rules. If a member of your family suddenly decided to start going to the toilet in the corner of the living room because s/he wants to what would you do?? If he doesn't like the rules of the society that he is currently part of then he can always go somewhere else where his behaviour will be tolerated! Sanity is the majority Edited 5 October, 2012 by Big Bad Bob Clarifying the swear filtered word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 Would you feel comfortable with him wandering right past your kids stark ******** naked... Scratching his balls and picking his arse? Provided he isn't trying to rape them, what exactly is wrong with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 If he doesn't like the rules of the society that he is currently part of then he can always go somewhere else where his behaviour will be tolerated! Can he though? It's not as easy as that is it. If somebody wants to exercise the basic freedom to walk about with no clothes on because he feels more comfortable like that then he should be allowed to. As long as that person is just going about their business and not actually harming anyone else then I don't see a problem. If other people are offended by his choice then that is their sh*t to deal with, not his. Sanity is the majority Yeah this is what I mean. Society dictates what's normal and what's not. Just because somebody disagrees with the majority view, does that make them mentally ill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 If other people are offended by his choice then that is their sh*t to deal with, not his. So basically you're saying that anyone can do what the **** they like and if it upsets someone else tough ****!! So what are the points of rules and morals and mores?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 5 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 5 October, 2012 (edited) Yeah this is what I mean. Society dictates what's normal and what's not. Just because somebody disagrees with the majority view, does that make them mentally ill? Thats what the communist Soviet and Chinese states used to do (still do sometimes). The logic went -'we have created the ideal society, if you oppose it you must be mentally ill' and rthe perpetrators were carted off to prisons pretending to be sanatoriums. Britain has lost more of our historical tolerance than we'd like to think. Edited 5 October, 2012 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickyhale Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 Went hes sent to prison does he walk around in the nude or wear his clothes.....How about live and let live...... Have seen this guy walking around the common nude when we walked our dog.Had my wife and daughter with me and all daughter said "was look dad that man not got any cloths on. We all had a good laugh at his expense it was raining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 5 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 5 October, 2012 (edited) So basically you're saying that anyone can do what the **** they like and if it upsets someone else tough ****!! So what are the points of rules and morals and mores?? Its always tricky balance between individual rights and collective rights. I want to play loud music and have friends over for a bbq - you my next door neighbour doesnt want me to. Edited 5 October, 2012 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 Would you feel comfortable with him wandering right past your kids stark ******** naked... Scratching his balls and picking his arse? I know a chap who helps with soton naked bike ride. It's fine by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 I don't have any problem with nudity and don't think it's offensive in itself, but there are plenty of laws I don't agree with and you can't just break them because you disagree. Enough other people have wanted that law to exist and so far there is no majority wanting it gone, so you can live with it. The problems of nudity everywhere come from other situations, there's nothing wrong with kids seeing a naked man walk past really, but what if he's got an erection? You wouldn't feel so comfortable then. You wouldn't want to sit on a bus seat with a visible skid mark either. I wouldn't want to be sat down by him if he was standing in a crowded train either. Funnily enough my kids were watching a Swedish childern's DVD the other day of a story by Astrid Lindgren, it came in a pack with some Pippi DVDs and the story is well known over here. in the film, that was probably made in the seventies, there is a scene with twenty full frontal naked blokes running out into the snow, everything on display. The kids thought it was hilarious and there was nothing at all offensive to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 Bexy Would you allow 7 year olds to watch sex scenes... Or say hostel... After all its not real and sex scenes may be useful in the future and part of nature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 If he wants to walk around his own property with his wedding veg swining around that's not a problem but in public that's another matter. A lot of people would consider it indecent, especially parents with younger children. In the same way that you probably wouldn't let your 5 year old kid read Nuts and Zoo magazine, many children would probably find this confusing and disturbing. TBH I think I would question this blokes mental health to some extent. I'm all for people campaigning for human rights but this bloke seems to be chasing a bit of a pointless cause. He knows his nudity is likely to get him in trouble with the law and does it for no actual reason other than to cause an argument. He's like a real life internet troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 5 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 5 October, 2012 Bexy Would you allow 7 year olds to watch sex scenes... Or say hostel... After all its not real and sex scenes may be useful in the future and part of nature Thats the problem right there. So many Brits cant separate nudity from sex. Just because this guy is nude doesnt mean its got anything to do with sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 Thats the problem right there. So many Brits cant separate nudity from sex. Just because this guy is nude doesnt mean its got anything to do with sex. I know... But can kids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 Thats the problem right there. So many Brits cant separate nudity from sex. Just because this guy is nude doesnt mean its got anything to do with sex. It will though. If everyone walked around naked the borderlines between nudity and sexual harassment would be squashed and blurred together completely. A 16 kid sat on a bus naked. A 23 year old woman with huge knockers gets on and sits next to him, what do you think's going to happen? He get's wood, she's stood there screaming, "Pervert!!" It would happen all the time. Then there's the people who actually are sex pest, they could just walk onto a crowded tube train touching whatever they want and claiming it's accident and they're just squashed together in the crowd. If everyone was allowed to walk around naked in public it would be pretty much be impossible to police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 5 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 5 October, 2012 I know... But can kids? Sure. My ex was Swedish and every year we'd go to her parents summer house - no running water, wash and bathe naked in the lake. Her her mum and brother, neighbours etc all did the same thing. I used to get up early and sneak in when nobody was around, my 12 year old Brit niece refused to wash for a week. Its all about conditioning - and as a nation we are hung up about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 5 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 5 October, 2012 It will though. If everyone walked around naked the borderlines between nudity and sexual harassment would be squashed and blurred together completely. A 16 kid sat on a bus naked. A 23 year old woman with huge knockers gets on and sits next to him, what do you think's going to happen? He get's wood, she's stood there screaming, "Pervert!!" It would happen all the time. Then there's the people who actually are sex pest, they could just walk onto a crowded tube train touching whatever they want and claiming it's accident and they're just squashed together in the crowd. If everyone was allowed to walk around naked in public it would be pretty much be impossible to police. Im not saying lets all get naked. I wouldn't for one. Its more about how society treats some oddball who wanders around without clothes on. He isnt getting wood on, he isnt leaning against people on the tube - but we are still jailing him for six years. Something isnt right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 I don't understand how this guy manages to leave the house naked. He lives in Scotland - how is he not dead from frostbite? Does he have a job? An income? A house to pay for etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 Im not saying lets all get naked. I wouldn't for one. Its more about how society treats some oddball who wanders around without clothes on. He isnt getting wood on, he isnt leaning against people on the tube - but we are still jailing him for six years. Something isnt right. What you're basically doing there is saying one person should be exempt from the law because he personally isn't doing any harm. Laws apply to everyone or noone. You can't let everyone walk around naked, so you shouldn't allow 1 person to walk around naked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 5 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 5 October, 2012 (edited) What you're basically doing there is saying one person should be exempt from the law because he personally isn't doing any harm. Laws apply to everyone or noone. You can't let everyone walk around naked, so you shouldn't allow 1 person to walk around naked. So if he doesnt comply you'd lock him up for life? According to the BBC story he doesnt wear clothes in prison either. Should he be forced dressed and tasered everytime he takes a sock off? Im being facetious to make a point. What do you do with people who repeatedly dont comply with the 'rules' but arent really doing any harm. Edited 5 October, 2012 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 So if he doesnt comply you'd lock him up for life? According to the BBC story he doesnt wear clothes in prison either. Should he be forced dressed and tasered everytime he takes a sock off? For as long as he keeps doing it he should keep facing the consequences. It's his own choice, all he has to do is put some clothes on. If he would rather go to prison than wear clothes that's his choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 many children would probably find this confusing and disturbing. I don't think they would, unless they pick up on the reactions of the parents. Kids are remarkably matter of fact. "Mummy, that man's got no clothes on". "You're right dear, he must be cold" and move on, kids don't blink an eyelid, or else just laugh. No harm done. I'm talking about plain nudity, not flashers here, naturally. Is this guy such a threat to society that we have to jail him with all the personal and institutional costs involved? Is the extent of the harm done to society so great that we, as a mature society can't allow a bit of leeway to someone who is not quite mainstream, and may indeed be a little unbalanced and, in my opinion is not doing it to cause an argument? In my opinion he does far less damage than the bastard dog owners who let their dogs foul the streets and the local playing fields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 So basically you're saying that anyone can do what the **** they like and if it upsets someone else tough ****!! So what are the points of rules and morals and mores?? No, and if you re-read my post you will see the caveat attached "As long as that person is just going about their business and not actually harming anyone else". The idea that nudity is offensive/perverse or whatever exists solely because of our social conditioning. Watch documentaries about tribespeople in Africa or South America and see if you can spot any hint of 'modesty' as we call it. There's just no taboo about nudity in their culture as they are brought up to accept is as the norm. So why is it different here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 Bexy Would you allow 7 year olds to watch sex scenes... Or say hostel... After all its not real and sex scenes may be useful in the future and part of nature What the hell has that got to do with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 5 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 5 October, 2012 For as long as he keeps doing it he should keep facing the consequences. It's his own choice, all he has to do is put some clothes on. If he would rather go to prison than wear clothes that's his choice. Six years in prison will have cost c£120,000. Add in al the police and court time and you wont be getting any change from £250,000. That money would have kept people alive who died whilst waiting for operations or who had to take cheaper older medicines. Is that the best use of money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 Six years in prison will have cost c£120,000. Add in al the police and court time and you wont be getting any change from £250,000. That money would have kept people alive who died whilst waiting for operations or who had to take cheaper older medicines. Is that the best use of money? So you're saying punishments shouldn't be applied if they cost a lot for the tax payer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 5 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 5 October, 2012 So you're saying punishments shouldn't be applied if they cost a lot for the tax payer? I'm saying some judgement should be made about whats really in the public interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 It will though. If everyone walked around naked the borderlines between nudity and sexual harassment would be squashed and blurred together completely. A 16 kid sat on a bus naked. A 23 year old woman with huge knockers gets on and sits next to him, what do you think's going to happen? He get's wood, she's stood there screaming, "Pervert!!" It would happen all the time. But that's the point. If we as a society were generally more open about it then it wouldn't happen all the time, because the sight of a naked woman would no longer be a taboo. This might also go some way towards eliminating the objectification of women amongst young men (and vice versa). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 I love how some of here are trying to defend someone who has consistantly and willingly broken the law in their 'he's free to make his choices' crusade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefunkygibbons Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 This looks like a standoff, but clearly someone needs to do something different otherwise the time served will just grow as will the costs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 But that's the point. If we as a society were generally more open about it then it wouldn't happen all the time, because the sight of a naked woman would no longer be a taboo. This might also go some way towards eliminating the objectification of women amongst young men (and vice versa). I'd love you to be right, honnestly. It would be great if everyone in Britain was mature and confident enough to walk around naked without any hint of sexual harassment or awkwardness. Sadly that's just not going to happen. Your theory hinges on every teenage boy in the country being completely in control of his hormones, that's just not the case. We already have people saying stuff along the lines of, "she's clearly up for it, wearing such a short skirt/low cut top etc." If women were walking around naked I'm sure a lot of men would take this as some kind of invitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 I'd love you to be right, honnestly. It would be great if everyone in Britain was mature and confident enough to walk around naked without any hint of sexual harassment or awkwardness. Sadly that's just not going to happen. Your theory hinges on every teenage boy in the country being completely in control of his hormones, that's just not the case. We already have people saying stuff along the lines of, "she's clearly up for it, wearing such a short skirt/low cut top etc." If women were walking around naked I'm sure a lot of men would take this as some kind of invitation. Yes, As things stand teenage boys who are just discovering their sexuality will take any opportunity to gawp at a bit of flesh on display (I know, I was a teenage boy myself once) but if those boys had become accustomed to seeing people naked since birth then none of that would be an issue. I know it's a pipe-dream to expect we will ever reach such a stage as a society but I genuinely believe that it all comes down to social conditioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 Yes, As things stand teenage boys who are just discovering their sexuality will take any opportunity to gawp at a bit of flesh on display (I know, I was a teenage boy myself once) but if those boys had become accustomed to seeing people naked since birth then none of that would be an issue. I know it's a pipe-dream to expect we will ever reach such a stage as a society but I genuinely believe that it all comes down to social conditioning. I wonder, with all the Scandinavian attitude towards nudity, what would happen if this bloke were to walk around Stockholm stark bollock naked (apart from his little man falling off with frost bite)?? I have no problem with nudity, my wife and I walk around the house naked in front of the kids *BUT* I wouldn't walk down the street naked for fear of what effect it might have on others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 He's from Eastleigh. Shoot him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 5 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 5 October, 2012 He's from Eastleigh. Shoot him. One of the comments on the BBC site was "Either leave him alone or shoot him, just stop wasting the money" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 I need to know. What is he wearing in prison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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