brianoneils slidingtackle Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 Lets pack the park, oh that phrase belongs to the best supporters in the World, sorry ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-crinny Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 I'm not really sure what the point of worrying about the attendance is. If it doesnt sell out, fine - it was on TV, people opted not to come or whatever. We got a wedge for it being on TV that outweighed the money we would have got if we sold an extra 2000 or so tickets. Why worry about it - unless we were about to start work on adding another 20,000 seats to SMS when we dont need them, which we arent, it doesnt make too much difference does it? I think we'd only be adding capacity if we were suddenly in the Champions League year-in, year-out, and if we were, we'd probably pick up a load more fans to fill it anyway. As we are a million miles off that, this whole debate is a bit so what. Personally, i've got my season ticket, i'm going on Sunday because that is what i love to do, and i'm going to have a great time (unless we lose, in which case i'll have a proper face on). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 We should be selling out every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 We should be selling out every game. Why should we? We will always get somewhere in the region of 27-31K for our home prem games. Always have and always will unless we are significantly more successful than we ever have been whilst at SMS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 I think we should be selling out every game too. The amount of stick I've got about us not being able to sell out even our first game back at home in 7 years and every other home game we've had.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 I'm not sure we should be selling out every game. We certainly didn't do that before in the PL (except for one freak season following an 8th place finish, FA Cup final and entry into Europe when ST priority was everything). That said, it's the scale of the low attendances that I do find surprising. Villa brought a full load of fans yet we were some way short of capacity. Man Utd, regular seats sold out predictably early but the corporate areas were about half full. And now this Fulham game, which IMO will be well short of 30,000 despite the away side bringing down a sizeable contingent. Then again, talkof selling out in advance way ahead of every game was always nonsense; that said, after a 26,000 average in the Championship last year, I see anything under 30,000 as a bit of a disappointment. Perhaps we don't have a matchgoing fanbase as big as Everton's after all..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 For those of you not interested in reading the rest of this thread I can summarise it as follows: Turkish : Whine, sarcastic whinge, put-down retort, self-justifying comment, whine,sarcastic whinge, put-down retort. Dig Dig. Whine, sarcastic whinge, self-justifying comment, put-down retort, whine, sarcastic whinge. Dig Dig. Others: Please stop you are making us feel suicidal. We got it the first time. Something is not right at SMS and you are freaking worried about it to the extent that you feel we should be soiling our communal knickers over it. Grow a pair ffs, or get a bigger nappy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 For those of you not interested in reading the rest of this thread I can summarise it as follows: Turkish : Whine, sarcastic whinge, put-down retort, self-justifying comment, whine,sarcastic whinge, put-down retort. Dig Dig. Whine, sarcastic whinge, self-justifying comment, put-down retort, whine, sarcastic whinge. Dig Dig. Others: Please stop you are making us feel suicidal. We got it the first time. Something is not right at SMS and you are freaking worried about it to the extent that you feel we should be soiling our communal knickers over it. Grow a pair ffs, or get a bigger nappy. Summed up perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 We should be selling out every game. We are selling out everey game by wearing those f**&^ng awful red shirts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 For those of you not interested in reading the rest of this thread I can summarise it as follows: Turkish : Whine, sarcastic whinge, put-down retort, self-justifying comment, whine,sarcastic whinge, put-down retort. Dig Dig. Whine, sarcastic whinge, self-justifying comment, put-down retort, whine, sarcastic whinge. Dig Dig. Others: Please stop you are making us feel suicidal. We got it the first time. Something is not right at SMS and you are freaking worried about it to the extent that you feel we should be soiling our communal knickers over it. Grow a pair ffs, or get a bigger nappy. What has Dig Dig got to do with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 What has Dig Dig got to do with it? Until now, I've only posted once on this thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StDunko Posted 5 October, 2012 Share Posted 5 October, 2012 I'm not really sure what the point of worrying about the attendance is. If it doesnt sell out, fine - it was on TV, people opted not to come or whatever. We got a wedge for it being on TV that outweighed the money we would have got if we sold an extra 2000 or so tickets. Why worry about it - unless we were about to start work on adding another 20,000 seats to SMS when we dont need them, which we arent, it doesnt make too much difference does it? I think we'd only be adding capacity if we were suddenly in the Champions League year-in, year-out, and if we were, we'd probably pick up a load more fans to fill it anyway. As we are a million miles off that, this whole debate is a bit so what. Personally, i've got my season ticket, i'm going on Sunday because that is what i love to do, and i'm going to have a great time (unless we lose, in which case i'll have a proper face on). What a welcome surprise when someone actually submits a post of grounded well reasoned comment on this forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Saint Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 I don't understand the moaning on here. Football is expensive and people are entitled to choose which matches they go to. Add to that the cost of petrol, parking, a moaning wife etc. and I can certainly understand why, on a Sunday, people don't want to get up early and travel to St. Mary's when they can watch it on the box. If there is over 27k then that's very good in my opinion, especially as we are getting well beaten in the majority of our games. I shall be watching it on TV in the desert. Does that mean I'm not a true Saints fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 For those of you not interested in reading the rest of this thread I can summarise it as follows: Turkish : Whine, sarcastic whinge, put-down retort, self-justifying comment, whine,sarcastic whinge, put-down retort. Dig Dig. Whine, sarcastic whinge, self-justifying comment, put-down retort, whine, sarcastic whinge. Dig Dig. Others: Please stop you are making us feel suicidal. We got it the first time. Something is not right at SMS and you are freaking worried about it to the extent that you feel we should be soiling our communal knickers over it. Grow a pair ffs, or get a bigger nappy. according to....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 I don't understand the moaning on here. Football is expensive and people are entitled to choose which matches they go to. Add to that the cost of petrol, parking, a moaning wife etc. and I can certainly understand why, on a Sunday, people don't want to get up early and travel to St. Mary's when they can watch it on the box. If there is over 27k then that's very good in my opinion, especially as we are getting well beaten in the majority of our games. I shall be watching it on TV in the desert. Does that mean I'm not a true Saints fan? No one is moaning about the attendences per se. You have to remember thus forum has endured a summer with the supposed "visionary" geniuses telling the rest of us we've "maxed out" St Mary's and we need to build thousands more seats and now. We were told there would be a mad scramble for tickets as demand massively outstrips our tiny little stadium. We were told thousands of brand new Saints fans would come to SMS from Wiltshire, Devon and Kent. We were told thousands more would come as neutrals, just coming from miles around to watch Premier League football. And we were told not buying into this utter horse-sh it meant you were negative, anti-Saints and wanted the manager sacked. These threads are related to that moronic garbage spouted over the summer. Don't know about you but I am not convinced we have seen a dramatic increase of neutral fans from the Somerset area coming to the stadium to watch just any old Premier League game. But then, I'm just anti-Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 No one is moaning about the attendences per se. You have to remember thus forum has endured a summer with the supposed "visionary" geniuses telling the rest of us we've "maxed out" St Mary's and we need to build thousands more seats and now. We were told there would be a mad scramble for tickets as demand massively outstrips our tiny little stadium. We were told thousands of brand new Saints fans would come to SMS from Wiltshire, Devon and Kent. We were told thousands more would come as neutrals, just coming from miles around to watch Premier League football. And we were told not buying into this utter horse-sh it meant you were negative, anti-Saints and wanted the manager sacked. These threads are related to that moronic garbage spouted over the summer. Don't know about you but I am not convinced we have seen a dramatic increase of neutral fans from the Somerset area coming to the stadium to watch just any old Premier League game. But then, I'm just anti-Saints. .... and the even sadder need for Turkish to rake it up on a fortnightly basis is somehow a mature and valuable addition to the debate? ... also you did not have to endure 'anything' FFS - the club issues an aspirational vision of what they might do in future and a discussion is had about how soon it might happen and what the pros and cons/possibilties might be to justify waiting v earlier - nothing exactly controvercial or abnormal about it - until you and Turks turn up being so worried that others might be laughing at us and its 'embarrassing to discuss it, in your usual patronzing miserable way that contributes nothing to any discussion apart of irritating the feck out of people - must be pretty sad to have that as your raison d'etre for posting on here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Randell Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 No one is moaning about the attendences per se. You have to remember thus forum has endured a summer with the supposed "visionary" geniuses telling the rest of us we've "maxed out" St Mary's and we need to build thousands more seats and now. We were told there would be a mad scramble for tickets as demand massively outstrips our tiny little stadium. We were told thousands of brand new Saints fans would come to SMS from Wiltshire, Devon and Kent. We were told thousands more would come as neutrals, just coming from miles around to watch Premier League football. And we were told not buying into this utter horse-sh it meant you were negative, anti-Saints and wanted the manager sacked. These threads are related to that moronic garbage spouted over the summer. Don't know about you but I am not convinced we have seen a dramatic increase of neutral fans from the Somerset area coming to the stadium to watch just any old Premier League game. But then, I'm just anti-Saints. Find me quotes where you were told those things. I can guarantee you can't. You're actually right when it comes to the whole attendance thing but no need to exaggerate the other side of the argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 You have to remember thus forum has endured a summer with the supposed "visionary" geniuses telling the rest of us we've "maxed out" St Mary's and we need to build thousands more seats and now. These threads are related to that moronic garbage spouted over the summer. if only you ignored them, it would have saved you having to remind us. Do we now have to endure a winter of these moronic threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsarum Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 No one is moaning about the attendences per se. You have to remember thus forum has endured a summer with the supposed "visionary" geniuses telling the rest of us we've "maxed out" St Mary's and we need to build thousands more seats and now. We were told there would be a mad scramble for tickets as demand massively outstrips our tiny little stadium. We were told thousands of brand new Saints fans would come to SMS from Wiltshire, Devon and Kent. We were told thousands more would come as neutrals, just coming from miles around to watch Premier League football. And we were told not buying into this utter horse-sh it meant you were negative, anti-Saints and wanted the manager sacked. These threads are related to that moronic garbage spouted over the summer. Don't know about you but I am not convinced we have seen a dramatic increase of neutral fans from the Somerset area coming to the stadium to watch just any old Premier League game. But then, I'm just anti-Saints. On train back to Salisbury after Villa game got to talking a couple of lads from Wales who were neutrals and just come down to watch and enjoy the game ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 6 October, 2012 On train back to Salisbury after Villa game got to talking a couple of lads from Wales who were neutrals and just come down to watch and enjoy the game ! If only the 10,000 others we were expecting had done the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 We were told thousands of brand new Saints fans would come to SMS from Wiltshire, Devon and Kent. We were told thousands more would come as neutrals, just coming from miles around to watch Premier League football. Just show us one post where somebody stated that we would gain "thousands of brand new fans from Wiltshire, Devon and Kent or indeed Somerset" You can't, can you? As usual, you're all full of p*ss and wind, having to use hyperbole in a vain effort to demonstrate what you alone consider to be your superior intellect. Instead, it just makes you look like an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 6 October, 2012 .... and the even sadder need for Turkish to rake it up on a fortnightly basis is somehow a mature and valuable addition to the debate? ... also you did not have to endure 'anything' FFS - the club issues an aspirational vision of what they might do in future and a discussion is had about how soon it might happen and what the pros and cons/possibilties might be to justify waiting v earlier - nothing exactly controvercial or abnormal about it - until you and Turks turn up being so worried that others might be laughing at us and its 'embarrassing to discuss it, in your usual patronzing miserable way that contributes nothing to any discussion apart of irritating the feck out of people - must be pretty sad to have that as your raison d'etre for posting on here.... Oh no Frankie boy. There were what seemed like weekly threads about what certain people expected to see happen soon, how we were maxed out and how we had more fans than Everton, how we need a bigger stadium because Chelsea only got 13,000 in 1984 and because they said man would never walk on the moon, i could go on. You were one of the most vocal in your support of these claims in your usual droning style. Therefore I find it somewhat surprising that now similar threads based on actual attendances and tickets sold, some might call it facts and reality and not say dreaming and speculation are now being disregarded as immature and adding no valuable addition to the debate. I would suggest that actual real life attendances Do indeed add some much needed valuable addition to the debate as they are real not based on what Reading might do in the future or how many tickets Sunderland sold in 1987. anyway, I'm sure we could have sold 45,000 for tomorrow if only we'd given them to kids for nothing and introduced dynamic pricing, everyone could be getting them for £1.50 at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 6 October, 2012 Just show us one post where somebody stated that we would gain "thousands of brand new fans from Wiltshire, Devon and Kent or indeed Somerset" You can't, can you? As usual, you're all full of p*ss and wind, having to use hyperbole in a vain effort to demonstrate what you alone consider to be your superior intellect. Instead, it just makes you look like an idiot. :lol: Man. moon. Waaaah waaaaahwaaaah, show me the posts, show me the posts, the get out clause of the self titled intelligent posters when firmly on the back foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 People who slag off the attendances while not going themselves is sort of silly no? How can you criticise people for not going when you don't go yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 6 October, 2012 People who slag off the attendances while not going themselves is sort of silly no? How can you criticise people for not going when you don't go yourself? Who is slagging off the attendances and who is doing this whilst not going themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 People who slag off the attendances while not going themselves is sort of silly no? How can you criticise people for not going when you don't go yourself? Who is doing this Marco? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 I find it somewhat surprising that now similar threads based on actual attendances and tickets sold, some might call it facts and reality and not say dreaming and speculation are now being disregarded as immature and adding no valuable addition to the debate. I would suggest that actual real life attendances Do indeed add some much needed valuable addition to the debate as they are real not based on what Reading might do in the future or how many tickets Sunderland sold in 1987. anyway, I'm sure we could have sold 45,000 for tomorrow if only we'd given them to kids for nothing and introduced dynamic pricing, everyone could be getting them for £1.50 at the moment. Exactly. It's very odd that so many people are getting themselves so hot under the collar about an internet thread. Don't like it? Fine, don't read it and don't post in it, the thread title is pretty accurate in describing what you'll find inside. The thing that all these whingers seem to miss is that most Saints fans who have entered the debate accept that there may be a need for a bigger stadium in the future. I've barely seen anyone that has said we will never need a bigger stadium, and if can push on we may need a bigger capacity within the next 5 or 10 years. With that in mind, it's pretty bloody important to find out what our fanbase is NOW; not on some figures from 10 years ago when we last in this league. Right now. You can bet the club are keeping a close eye on all our attendances and how quickly we sell tickets, so why should it be taboo for the fans to do so? No doubt if we were selling out every week these exact threads would be seen as a positive and not one person would be moaning about how boring and anti-Cortese they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 (edited) Oh no Frankie boy. There were what seemed like weekly threads about what certain people expected to see happen soon, how we were maxed out and how we had more fans than Everton, how we need a bigger stadium because Chelsea only got 13,000 in 1984 and because they said man would never walk on the moon, i could go on. You were one of the most vocal in your support of these claims in your usual droning style. Therefore I find it somewhat surprising that now similar threads based on actual attendances and tickets sold, some might call it facts and reality and not say dreaming and speculation are now being disregarded as immature and adding no valuable addition to the debate. I would suggest that actual real life attendances Do indeed add some much needed valuable addition to the debate as they are real not based on what Reading might do in the future or how many tickets Sunderland sold in 1987. anyway, I'm sure we could have sold 45,000 for tomorrow if only we'd given them to kids for nothing and introduced dynamic pricing, everyone could be getting them for £1.50 at the moment. Total bollo x. I was, and still am happy to make a business case for why expansion can help in attracting greater support - that was what you and the Fry failed to see - there are rational reasons for waiting, and possible rational reasons for not, which you did not accept. You seem to have a habit of tisting posts to suit you constant dredging - and its that constant repeated need to find a way to ridicule others that I am saying is immature - and it is. You can go on....yawn.. about droning styles till the ****ing cows come home, does not add any weight to your argument, nor does it validate your constant **** taking style... Your last sentance is a classic example of how you completly fail to grasp the fundementals of a concept and twist/make up stuff to suit your point of view... fricken joke Edited 6 October, 2012 by Frank's cousin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 6 October, 2012 Total bollo x. I was, and still am happy to make a business case for why expansion can help in attracting greater support - that was what you and the Fry failed to see - there are rational reasons for waiting, and possible rational reasons for not, which you did not accept. You seem to have a habit of tisting posts to suit you constant dredging - and its that constant repeated need to find a way to ridicule others that I am saying is immature - and it is. You can go on....yawn.. about droning styles till the ****ing cows come home, does not add any weight to your argument, nor does it validate your constant **** taking style... Your last sentance is a classic example of how you completly fail to grasp the fundementals of a concept and twist/make up stuff to suit your point of view... fricken joke Really? I thought the fundamentals of your arguement to fill a bigger stadium was too offer deals to families and kids and dynamic pricing where the price goes up if there is huge demand and down if there is less demand. Therefore, given in a 45,000 stadium we'd have 17,000 tickets available right now, not much demand which cheapens the price no? So anyway, as i apparantly failed to grasp and accept the rational reasons for not waiting, just remind us, what was the business case for expanding now? And see if you can manage to do it in bullet points without resorting to foul language and personal attacks please, it's very immature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 Really? I thought the fundamentals of your arguement to fill a bigger stadium was too offer deals to families and kids and dynamic pricing where the price goes up if there is huge demand and down if there is less demand. Therefore, given in a 45,000 stadium we'd have 17,000 tickets available right now, not much demand which cheapens the price no? So anyway, as i apparantly failed to grasp and accept the rational reasons for not waiting, just remind us, what was the business case for expanding now? And see if you can manage to do it in bullet points without resorting to foul language and personal attacks please, it's very immature. Frank's idea wasn't dynamic pricing; Frank wanted to have a broader range of pricing, extra cheap tickets offset by extra expensive tickets. Sadly for Frank, the current model at the club is proving that doesn't work. Against Man Utd for instance we sold out all of the regular seats, but were around half full in the corporate suites and boxes (i.e. the expensive seats). Fans may be more inclined to pay for cheaper seats; but what is absolutely clear is that they are very much disinclined to pay for the costly seats right now. The only way we'd fill a bigger stadium right now would be a price drop; any offset with other higher ticket prices simply wouldn't work, we'd just have much bigger empty corporate areas were that the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 first game i'm missing this season as i'm in manchester this weekend, but the season ticket it being used by some other drunken idiot so that's all good. To be fair i'd actually forgotten it was on sunday/tv so i could've maybe worked something if i'd remembered. Oh well guess watching it with drunken mancs' will be a laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 Frank's idea wasn't dynamic pricing; Frank wanted to have a broader range of pricing, extra cheap tickets offset by extra expensive tickets. Sadly for Frank, the current model at the club is proving that doesn't work. Against Man Utd for instance we sold out all of the regular seats, but were around half full in the corporate suites and boxes (i.e. the expensive seats). Fans may be more inclined to pay for cheaper seats; but what is absolutely clear is that they are very much disinclined to pay for the costly seats right now. The only way we'd fill a bigger stadium right now would be a price drop; any offset with other higher ticket prices simply wouldn't work, we'd just have much bigger empty corporate areas were that the case. Closer but no cigar... the model I was advocating was closer to those used by the likes of Bayern etc - so you are right on that front. And I am happy to acknowledge that at this time offsetting against more expensive seats would not work - these premium priced seats tend to be the domain of the corporate 'fan' and in these economic times they are simply not there... that does not mean however that there would not be greater demand for tickets at the cheaper end of the scale, especially in these times where many ho currently pick an chose due to a finite budget would go more regularly if more affordable. I dont believe such a model is as unworkable as some like Turks and Fry suggest - afterall it works at other clubs - and I also believe that with the right balance the model could ensure an INCREASE in net revenue from the gate even factoring in commercial rate interest to fund such a project. The fact that this is hyperthetical and was a discussion based on pros and cons of watch and wait v earlier start seems to have been lost on those more concerned that it might make us look 'silly' or it was embarrassing to have such a discussion which is frankly pretty pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 (edited) I am surprised by how low the attendances are, the take up of corporate seats is especially poor. I can only assume Cortese is not bothered about it because he knows the team will eventually improve and hence so will demand. If I were the Liebherrs I would be questioning if Cortese's policy of p!ssing in the face of club legends, the club's history and loyal club workers and suppliers is really the right approach. Also the like it or lump it approach to the supporters. There is always a large element of goodwill between supporters of a club and the club itself, I'm not sure Cortese understands this concept. Maybe better employ a CEO that does. Edited 6 October, 2012 by aintforever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 I am surprised by how low the attendances are, the take up of corporate seats is especially poor. I can only assume Cortese is not bothered about it because he knows the team will eventually improve and hence so will demand. If I were the Liebherrs I would be questioning if Cortese's policy of p!ssing in the face of club legends, the club's history and loyal club workers and suppliers is really the right approach. Also the like it or lump it approach to the supporters. In alternative universe..... ''I am surprised by how High the attendances are, given the current economic climate and the cost of watching football - the take up of corporate seats is especially poor but not unsurprizing given that businesses will cut back on this first in suchh economic situations. I can only assume Cortese is fully aware of the impact teh current cimate has, and will be monitoring attendances at the current price points - especially as we would expect that as the team will eventually improve, so will demand. If I were the Liebherrs I would understand that teh impact of any quarals with past figures is unlikely to be significant and although not ideal, they began pis sing in before Cortese began pi ssing out. The clubs 'history' can often be a millstone that prevents progress, and it is expected that many find change uncomfortable especially fans who are creatures of habit or in a few cases always have an axe to grind...'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 (edited) I am surprised by how low the attendances are, the take up of corporate seats is especially poor. I can only assume Cortese is not bothered about it because he knows the team will eventually improve and hence so will demand. If I were the Liebherrs I would be questioning if Cortese's policy of p!ssing in the face of club legends, the club's history and loyal club workers and suppliers is really the right approach. Also the like it or lump it approach to the supporters. There is always a large element of goodwill between supporters of a club and the club itself, I'm not sure Cortese understands this concept. Maybe better employ a CEO that does. The corproate areas are a f*cking shambles at the moment. I've done the odd corporate game a season for a while now, and the whole experience now compared to our last stint in the PL is night and day, we've regressed very badly. To get people to spend more money on a ticket that a regular match seat you have to offer value; our corporate areas don't do that. At all. First you've got the corporate boxes. With little/no increase in quality of product, the prices have increased enormously. So from our previous PL days of having every box full to the rafters, we now have a situation where only between a quarter and a third of available boxes are actually being taken (and some of those are by contractors such as the training ground construction company who had it built into their contract to take up a box). The Terry Paine Ambassadors Suite was done away with; this was an exclusive experience for up to 150 or so people, hosted by Lawrie Mac and a clutch of former players. Tickets were way in excess of regular match prices, sometimes more than £200, yet whenever I was in there it was full to bursting (and a fantastic experience, i had my best ever day supporting Saints from there for the Sheffield United staying up last game of the season in the Championship). Then you have the complete dumbing down of the Mike Channon suite. Prices around £20 to £30 above the regular match ticket price, catering no longer included, drinks no longer included, a poorly staffed pay bar and overpriced cafe food options that, per the Aston Villa game, consisted a menu only of chicken ceasar salad wraps, hot dogs, and croque monsieurs. The interaction with players and ex-players to the lounge pre and post game just isn't working either; its all being run exceptionally poorly. Its no surprise the corporate areas are empty; they aren't truly corporate, they're just massively overpriced for (the football aside) an exceptionally bland experience. You'd be better off going for a nice meal and drinks in town and then going to the match rather than choosing a club option. Until it all gets fixed we'll keep seeing empty seats; and the corporate areas are hugely important to a club for boosting revenue streams without the cost of putting in significant banks of extra seats. Edited 6 October, 2012 by The Kraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 So, how many sold then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 So, how many sold then? Still more than 2,200 home seats on sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 So, how many sold then? That most exceptional exact number that will be just high enough for those with a positive mindset to say its great, and yet as its not a sell out provide ammunition to those who a) want to suggest its it the clubs (Cortese) fault and to bring up ...again...and again... the point that this means anyone who has ever said expansion earlier than 5 years of sell out is mental and an embarrassment to the club.... so I guess around 28k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 That most exceptional exact number that will be just high enough for those with a positive mindset to say its great' date=' and yet as its not a sell out provide ammunition to those who a) want to suggest its it the clubs (Cortese) fault and to bring up ...again...and again... the point that this means anyone who has ever said expansion earlier than 5 years of sell out is mental and an embarrassment to the club.... so I guess around 28k[/quote'] Frank; it seems the only one banging on about it being Cortese's fault is you. Per my post above; we may need a bigger stadium in a few years, hardly anyone has disputed that. So its valid to find out what our fanbase is right now; as starting point for that. You can point and sneer all you like at the discussion, but it does you or your opinion no favours whatsoever and just comes across as petty sniping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 So, how many sold then? 26,789 i reckon,hope that helps,that includes my ticket but i wont be there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 2,242 tickets still left. Block 43 not on sale to home fans either, can't see Fulham bringing a full 3.2K so find that strange. For the record when we played Fulham live on Sky in October 2002 (4-2 win) there were 26,188 in attendance, so looks like there will be more than that tomorrow. Going to guess at 29,500 approx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 Just clocked a load of empty seats at the Etihad today, so it's not just Saints struggling to shift tickets. The clubs need to realise the prices they are charging are just too high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 6 October, 2012 Closer but no cigar... the model I was advocating was closer to those used by the likes of Bayern etc - so you are right on that front. And I am happy to acknowledge that at this time offsetting against more expensive seats would not work - these premium priced seats tend to be the domain of the corporate 'fan' and in these economic times they are simply not there... that does not mean however that there would not be greater demand for tickets at the cheaper end of the scale, especially in these times where many ho currently pick an chose due to a finite budget would go more regularly if more affordable. I dont believe such a model is as unworkable as some like Turks and Fry suggest - afterall it works at other clubs - and I also believe that with the right balance the model could ensure an INCREASE in net revenue from the gate even factoring in commercial rate interest to fund such a project. The fact that this is hyperthetical and was a discussion based on pros and cons of watch and wait v earlier start seems to have been lost on those more concerned that it might make us look 'silly' or it was embarrassing to have such a discussion which is frankly pretty pathetic. S does it or does it not involve slashing prices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 S does it or does it not involve slashing prices? Why do you think Arsenal tickets are much cheaper than QPR's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 6 October, 2012 Why do you think Arsenal tickets are much cheaper than QPR's? This is my point aintforever, why would we spend £15-£20m building extensions and extra seats, then slash prices to sell them when we can't sell the ones we we've got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 Once we know the actual answer tomorrow, what ever will do with the c100 posts/guesses on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 This is my point aintforever, why would we spend £15-£20m building extensions and extra seats, then slash prices to sell them when we can't sell the ones we we've got. I expect the plan is that when the team improves so will demand. Arsenal built a bigger stadium and priced it to suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 In alternative universe..... ''I am surprised by how High the attendances are, given the current economic climate and the cost of watching football - the take up of corporate seats is especially poor but not unsurprizing given that businesses will cut back on this first in suchh economic situations. I can only assume Cortese is fully aware of the impact teh current cimate has, and will be monitoring attendances at the current price points - especially as we would expect that as the team will eventually improve, so will demand. If I were the Liebherrs I would understand that teh impact of any quarals with past figures is unlikely to be significant and although not ideal, they began pis sing in before Cortese began pi ssing out. The clubs 'history' can often be a millstone that prevents progress, and it is expected that many find change uncomfortable especially fans who are creatures of habit or in a few cases always have an axe to grind...'' This. Quite honestly amazed we are selling as many tix as we are for unattractive games like Wigan and Fulham, esp when they are also on Sky. I said it before the season started, all clubs will find it harder to fill their grounds this season, not just Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 (edited) @Turkish & Kraken. Go read the Villa game thread and your see at least 2 in that thread posting who were not at the game but yet have been negative about it Secondly your right attendances have not been full sell outs. That can be seen as a bit crap considering we are in the pl. However wouldnt the best way to judge how our attendences are be to compare them to everyone else in the league? Based on that rule we are currently the 12th most followed club in the country. How can you guys not be happy about that? Also you guys in the past have used Everton as an example of support or who we are trying to follow. Just thought I would point out that Everton has a 40k+ Stadium. Their average is 35k. Or 89% full. Ours is 32k and 95% full. But yet just having a quick look at the Everton forum I can't see them talking about how poor their attendance is? Edited 6 October, 2012 by St Marco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 6 October, 2012 Share Posted 6 October, 2012 S does it or does it not involve slashing prices? No. 'slashing' prices is ridiculous and is used to describe discounting against an original much higher price.... as you well know not what the Bayern model is about. If you dont understand the concept (which is quite simple), not my problem... but you understand it very well, but seem pleased to waste time misinforming others as to what it is, in an effort to pick holes where there are none... for the record, you dont start with a ticket price, you start with target net reveune (including cost of build) that is ABOVE that which we have now... it really is not that difficult to grasp so not sure what your problem is. Whether the will ever consider it is another matter, I dont knwo what their plans are, but thsi discussion started as one about whether there was ever justification for investing earlier than waiting for year on year sell outs - you dont think so, others believe a bviable business model exists to do so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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