Saint-Armstrong Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 BBC Radio Solent on Twitter: #saintsfc confirm redevelopment work at club's training ground in Marchwood has been temporarily suspended due to issue with contractors.
northam soul Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 The workers were having a kickaround in their lunch break, cortese wealked past and was furious they were playing 4 4 2 and demanded an instant reversal of formation or leave the site. They refused so hence the stand off.
Tokyo-Saint Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 *Ding dong* - Could Matt Le God and Turkish please report to the main board for an argument.
Sour Mash Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 Could be as a result of 100 different things. Building contractors are typically a nightmare to deal with. Possibly a Health and Safety lapse on their behalf?
doddisalegend Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 BBC Radio Solent on Twitter: #saintsfc confirm redevelopment work at club's training ground in Marchwood has been temporarily suspended due to issue with contractors. Were they trying it on with Fonte's wife.........
BARCELONASAINT Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 wait for all the conspiracy theories to start now!
mightysaints Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 Anyone from Leabitters available, they are the principle contractor for this project
HedgeEnder Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 Could be as a result of 100 different things. Building contractors are typically a nightmare to deal with. Possibly a Health and Safety lapse on their behalf? Oi, I'm a building contractor! I know one of the subbies working on the job so have put a call out to him to see if he know whats going on.
hypochondriac Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 Interesting considering the rumours on here about other contractors. I wonder who is at fault.
trousers Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 *Ding dong* - Could Matt Le God and Turkish please report to the main board for an argument. You read my mind...
hypochondriac Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 These stupid builders they are so unreliable. Well done to the club for not taking any nonsense and being decisive,
Sour Mash Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 Anyone know what Staplewood was used for prior to it being our training ground? Was it just farmland?
Colinjb Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 I wonder if the fact we have no information and it's a really boring subject will stop arguments... Oh, you know it doesn't work like that...
Gordon Mockles Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 These stupid builders they are so unreliable. Well done to the club for not taking any nonsense and being decisive, Well done for making a sweeping assumption towards the builders being at fault without any facts on the matter or knowing who is at fault. It could easily have been unreasonable demands from the club bearing in mind we have a CEO not renown for his empathy. Maybe you should wait for the facts first.
HedgeEnder Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 Anyone know what Staplewood was used for prior to it being our training ground? Was it just farmland? Home of RS Southampton FC I think
Gordon Mockles Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 Anyone know what Staplewood was used for prior to it being our training ground? Was it just farmland? Staplewood used to be the football ground of Road-sea (really nice facilities at the time - in the 80s/90s). A relatively young club that did really well, winning all sorts. I remember the son of the owner (Rob Price) used to go to school with my bro until his Dad divorced (I think) and his financial backing went and the club seemed to nose dive after that period. Shame really. The club sold the facilities in Marchwood to Southampton and the club use it for training and development, reserve team games, etc. and academy facilities.
Sour Mash Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 Home of RS Southampton FC I think Staplewood used to be the football ground of Road-sea (really nice facilities at the time - in the 80s/90s). A relatively young club that did really well, winning all sorts. I remember the son of the owner (Rob Price) used to go to school with my bro until his Dad divorced (I think) and his financial backing went and the club seemed to nose dive after that period. Shame really. The club sold the facilities in Marchwood to Southampton and the club use it for training and development, reserve team games, etc. and academy facilities. Cheers. But the site we're using, currently working on must be a fair bit bigger than the original RS ground?
Saint J 77 Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 I thought this might happen. Out of interest, why did you think this would happen?
The Kraken Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 Out of interest, why did you think this would happen? Simple. Look at the state of the bloody digger driver FFS. He clearly doesn't know what he's doing, and Cortese has rightly called things to a halt until more qualified personnel are brought in.
Window Cleaner Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 Staplewood used to be the football ground of Road-sea (really nice facilities at the time - in the 80s/90s). A relatively young club that did really well, winning all sorts. I remember the son of the owner (Rob Price) used to go to school with my bro until his Dad divorced (I think) and his financial backing went and the club seemed to nose dive after that period. Shame really. The club sold the facilities in Marchwood to Southampton and the club use it for training and development, reserve team games, etc. and academy facilities. I played for Road Sea a couple of times,towards the start of their ascendancy, went up like a bonfire night rocket and just sort of fizzled out at the top. I'd moved to Brussels by then so I never did quite understand what happened. We were f*cking good though even in the infancy of the side when I was in it..
Fan The Flames Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 It is quiet rare that costruction work is suspended, other than for newts, artifacts, bombs or dead bodies. It will be interesting to know the reason.
saint si Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 Was on South Today at lunchtime. Said that the a temporary "pause" had been agreed whilst some aspect of the specification is confirmed. I'm going for it being whether the statue of Guly should be solid gold or just gold plated.
Sour Mash Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 It is quiet rare that costruction work is suspended, other than for newts, artifacts, bombs or dead bodies. It will be interesting to know the reason. All those, plus a fair few others, asbestos etc and potential contrator f**k ups on Health and Safety or quality of workmanship. Anyone know whhich company we are using to Project Manage the work on our behalf?
dronskisaint Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 Retrospective predictors of doom...there's clever now...where are the facepalms when you need them?!
Window Cleaner Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 All those, plus a fair few others, asbestos etc and potential contrator f**k ups on Health and Safety or quality of workmanship. Anyone know whhich company we are using to Project Manage the work on our behalf? Isn't someone on this board part of that set up, probably explains a lot really. Then again may be it's someone's brother, can't remember the details.
Doctoroncall Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 I thought this might happen. I thought you might think this.
Dan Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 I know someone who works for leadbitter in a managerial role and he mentioned a while ago that Cortese wasn't happy with the architect and was looking to replace him. Also Cortese kept delaying signing the paperwork but a couple of weeks ago finally put pen to paper. It should only be a minor blip I would have thought.
SteveStone Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 Suspending a principal contractor is normally a costly measure and as such used as an almost last resort. Once suspended more often than not termination follows but not always. The club should have a project management consultancy practice advising them and managing the contract. Assuming this is the case I would have thought they would have made or at least be on board with the decision, assuming the decision was made by the club and not the contractor themselves which without knowing the facts could also be the case. If the termination worse case scenario follows and a new contractor needs to be sourced this would delay completion by anywhere up to 6 months plus and at considerably increased costs. a point of note being who is the common denominator in all these disputes with contractors and newspapers etc? Cortese may well be in the right though and just not taking any carp, without knowing the background reasons we can only speculate. On balance though he seems to have done remarkably well since coming on board so without knowing the facts, it's probably unfair to lay the blame at his door as no doubt some people will automatically default to.
Turkish Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 Out of interest, why did you think this would happen? I'm not going to say how on a public forum but I know there have been 'issues' for a while between SFc and the contractor.
Doctoroncall Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 This is the sort of training ground development we need.
Thedelldays Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 Can't say I am particularly surprised even if it has nothing to do with NC...?
stevegrant Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 I don't know a great deal about the construction industry, but surely the architect's job is done once the plans have been submitted? Those plans were submitted months ago, so unless Cortese's suddenly decided he doesn't like something about the design (not beyond the realms of possibility), surely there's no need for an architect to be involved at this stage.
Thedelldays Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 I bet this goes like most rumours from the club.. Fitzhugh, hypo and Turkish all of a sudden say they have "heard about this"...we will go on to about 300 posts once MLG comes in.....then when the truth comes out, everyone will be way off the mark....
The Kraken Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 I don't know a great deal about the construction industry, but surely the architect's job is done once the plans have been submitted? Those plans were submitted months ago, so unless Cortese's suddenly decided he doesn't like something about the design (not beyond the realms of possibility), surely there's no need for an architect to be involved at this stage. It entirely depends upon the job (and the architect of course) but I've been involved in quite a few large scale construction projects whereby the principal architect was involved throughout the duration of the project.
Highfield Saint Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 This is bound to end up as a boring tit for tat on capacity at St Marys and supporter base. Close it now
Gingeletiss Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 I bet this goes like most rumours from the club.. Fitzhugh, hypo and Turkish all of a sudden say they have "heard about this"...we will go on to about 300 posts once MLG comes in.....then when the truth comes out, everyone will be way off the mark.... This ^
hypochondriac Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 Well done for making a sweeping assumption towards the builders being at fault without any facts on the matter or knowing who is at fault. It could easily have been unreasonable demands from the club bearing in mind we have a CEO not renown for his empathy. Maybe you should wait for the facts first. Big lol
Hatch Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 Maybe the contractors have all gone to work for Arsenal.
buctootim Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 I bet this goes like most rumours from the club.. Fitzhugh, hypo and Turkish all of a sudden say they have "heard about this"...we will go on to about 300 posts once MLG comes in.....then when the truth comes out, everyone will be way off the mark.... bang on the mark.
stevegrant Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 I'm not getting involved, have fun... Are you feeling ok?
SteveStone Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 I don't know a great deal about the construction industry, but surely the architect's job is done once the plans have been submitted? Those plans were submitted months ago, so unless Cortese's suddenly decided he doesn't like something about the design (not beyond the realms of possibility), surely there's no need for an architect to be involved at this stage. It entirely depends upon the job (and the architect of course) but I've been involved in quite a few large scale construction projects whereby the principal architect was involved throughout the duration of the project. In large scale construction projects the architect is involved and required through to project completion. The bulk of the architect's work is done in drawing up the initial DA and subsequent construction drawing plans yes, but the design can and does change for a number of different reasons throughout a project and the architect is required to design these changes as and when they happen.
Sour Mash Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 I don't know a great deal about the construction industry, but surely the architect's job is done once the plans have been submitted? Those plans were submitted months ago, so unless Cortese's suddenly decided he doesn't like something about the design (not beyond the realms of possibility), surely there's no need for an architect to be involved at this stage. Construction specifications always end up being full of grey areas that aren't always spotted at the time of tender, but do come to light when it comes to doing the physical work. As mentioned above, typically an employer will employ a Project Management firm to manage the Contractor on their behalf, but that role used to be carried out by the architect and that could well be the case in this instance.
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 3 October, 2012 Posted 3 October, 2012 I bet this goes like most rumours from the club.. Fitzhugh, hypo and Turkish all of a sudden say they have "heard about this"...we will go on to about 300 posts once MLG comes in.....then when the truth comes out, everyone will be way off the mark.... I have heard nothing but that doesn't mean to say I can't say I am not surprised.
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