The Kraken Posted 1 October, 2012 Share Posted 1 October, 2012 When will we ever wear the all-white away kit? It seems like its full appearance this season could be very limited indeed, and the home kit and yellow kit is potentially going to be more prominent (even MOTD3 did a feature on kits and thought the yellow was our away one). In its full incarnation, I think the full away kit could potentially only get worn against two sides; Liverpool and Norwich. All other teams seem to have significant amounts of white either in their shirts, shorts and/or socks that will either require a different kit or different socks/shorts to be worn with the away shirts: Arsenal: already worn yellow. Aston Villa: they wear white shorts. Chelsea: they wear white socks. Everton: already worn red. Fulham: they wear white shirts. Liverpool: they wear all red. Man Utd: they wear white shorts. Man City: already worn red. Newcastle: they wear black and white striped shirts. Norwich: they wear yellow and green. QPR: they wear blue and white hooped shirts with white socks and shorts.R Reading: they wear blue and white hooped shirts and white shorts. Stoke: they wear red and white striped shirts, with white shorts and socks. Sunderland: they wear red and white striped shirts. Swansea: they wear all white. Tottenham: they wear white shirts. West Brom: they wear blue and white striped shirts, plus white shorts and socks. West Ham: they wear white shorts. Wigan: they wear blue and white striped shirts. The two in bold, Liverpool and Norwich, are the only clubs that don't have any significant amount of white in their home kits. We may get away with the white kit against some sides like Newcastle, though its perhaps more likely that we'd either wear the home kit or they yellow. And against some sides such as West Ham we could wear the white shirt but with a change of shorts/socks. In conclusion; chances to see the full all-white kit in action this season could be very few and far between! I wonder if the marketing genius that came up with the idea of an all white change strip has fully realised the consequences just yet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 October, 2012 Share Posted 1 October, 2012 we could wear it at chelsea.......couldnt we..? couldnt we wear it with red shorts......teams do mix tops and shorts when required Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 1 October, 2012 Share Posted 1 October, 2012 The two claret teams, West Ham and Villa, are the only teams I thought top would be appropriate to wear against (but not white shorts, maybe dig out the old black ones). For Liverpool I think we will wear yellow as the white won't contrast enough and Norwich we will probably just go all red for the same reason. It's very quickly becoming a collectable kit just because we look like we will never wear it in competition. Round of applause for who thought that one up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 1 October, 2012 Share Posted 1 October, 2012 Was no point having a white away kit, they just brought it out so they can say we still are red and white IMO. Anyone who isn't red we can use the home shirt, and anyone who isn't we could just use the white one. One of those things where I don't think they thought about it practically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 October, 2012 Share Posted 1 October, 2012 Was no point having a white away kit, they just brought it out so they can say we still are red and white IMO. Anyone who isn't red we can use the home shirt, and anyone who isn't we could just use the white one. One of those things where I don't think they thought about it practically. seems odd...other teams have red and white...home and away tops...yet you say WE never thought about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 1 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 1 October, 2012 we could wear it at chelsea.......couldnt we..? couldnt we wear it with red shorts......teams do mix tops and shorts when required As I've said, we can wear the shirts but with different coloured shorts or socks against some sides. Chelsea have white socks so we'd likely have to wear red ones (can't typically wear the same colour shorts and/or socks; even tape on players' socks now needs to be the same colour as the sock so the referee doesn't get confused). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 October, 2012 Share Posted 1 October, 2012 As I've said, we can wear the shirts but with different coloured shorts or socks against some sides. Chelsea have white socks so we'd likely have to wear red ones (can't typically wear the same colour shorts and/or socks; even tape on players' socks now needs to be the same colour as the sock so the referee doesn't get confused). could wear it at liverpool. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 1 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 1 October, 2012 could wear it at liverpool. lol Which is somewhat fitting given that our kits are a copy of Liverpool's home and away efforts from the 80s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 1 October, 2012 Share Posted 1 October, 2012 Perhaps it could be our home kit for the second half of season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 1 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 1 October, 2012 Perhaps it could be our home kit for the second half of season. I'd actually prefer that to the red kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 1 October, 2012 Share Posted 1 October, 2012 I'd actually prefer that to the red kit. Me too, but would it be allowed? - I have no idea about rules governing this sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 1 October, 2012 Share Posted 1 October, 2012 Is there some rule that dictates we have to wear each kit a certain number of times? Or is that hearsay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambol2K9 Posted 1 October, 2012 Share Posted 1 October, 2012 Is there some rule that dictates we have to wear each kit a certain number of times? Or is that hearsay? No it is true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 1 October, 2012 Share Posted 1 October, 2012 When will we ever wear the all-white away kit? It seems like its full appearance this season could be very limited indeed, and the home kit and yellow kit is potentially going to be more prominent (even MOTD3 did a feature on kits and thought the yellow was our away one). In its full incarnation, I think the full away kit could potentially only get worn against two sides; Liverpool and Norwich. All other teams seem to have significant amounts of white either in their shirts, shorts and/or socks that will either require a different kit or different socks/shorts to be worn with the away shirts: Arsenal: already worn yellow. Aston Villa: they wear white shorts. Chelsea: they wear white socks. Everton: already worn red. Fulham: they wear white shirts. Liverpool: they wear all red. Man Utd: they wear white shorts. Man City: already worn red. Newcastle: they wear black and white striped shirts. Norwich: they wear yellow and green. QPR: they wear blue and white hooped shirts with white socks and shorts.R Reading: they wear blue and white hooped shirts and white shorts. Stoke: they wear red and white striped shirts, with white shorts and socks. Sunderland: they wear red and white striped shirts. Swansea: they wear all white. Tottenham: they wear white shirts. West Brom: they wear blue and white striped shirts, plus white shorts and socks. West Ham: they wear white shorts. Wigan: they wear blue and white striped shirts. The two in bold, Liverpool and Norwich, are the only clubs that don't have any significant amount of white in their home kits. We may get away with the white kit against some sides like Newcastle, though its perhaps more likely that we'd either wear the home kit or they yellow. And against some sides such as West Ham we could wear the white shirt but with a change of shorts/socks. In conclusion; chances to see the full all-white kit in action this season could be very few and far between! I wonder if the marketing genius that came up with the idea of an all white change strip has fully realised the consequences just yet.... No offence, but you need to get out more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 1 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 1 October, 2012 No offence, but you need to get out more. How very dare you. I was only trying to usurp The9 in the kit nerd stakes, and you go and abuse me for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 1 October, 2012 Share Posted 1 October, 2012 Is there some rule that dictates we have to wear each kit a certain number of times? Or is that hearsay? I think the rule is that the away kit has to be worn a minimum of 8 times or somewhere around that mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La BoIS Saint Posted 1 October, 2012 Share Posted 1 October, 2012 I think the rule is that the away kit has to be worn a minimum of 8 times or somewhere around that mark. Or else a points deduction??!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 1 October, 2012 Share Posted 1 October, 2012 I do not see how it is possible for us to wear it 8 times. Unless thats joint with the Yellow kit ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted 1 October, 2012 Share Posted 1 October, 2012 It's a marketing exercise they just never thought through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 1 October, 2012 Share Posted 1 October, 2012 Why would we need to change our strip at Norwich ? They play in yellow and green, have I missed something ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 1 October, 2012 Share Posted 1 October, 2012 Why would we need to change our strip at Norwich ? They play in yellow and green, have I missed something ? The fact you've got to use each kit atleast 8 times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 1 October, 2012 Share Posted 1 October, 2012 The fact you've got to use each kit atleast 8 times... http://www.premierleague.com/content/dam/premierleague/site-content/News/publications/handbooks/premier-league-handbook-2012-2013.pdf Premier league rule book, p140-141 covers kits. No where mentions the slightest bit about how many times a kit has to be worn. Section M. 22. covers that preference is made to home team in kit choice, followed by away team, followed by home keeper and lastly away keeper to ensure there are no clashes. the ref's discretion is applied in M. 26. to cover the events of a clash. Ultimately we don't have to wear any other kit than the red home one if it doesn't clash, it will so we will default to yellow more than likely as it is less likely to clash than the white, but nowhere do we have to use a kit any specific number of times, it is assumed we use our home kit till it is not an option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 2 October, 2012 Share Posted 2 October, 2012 Oh my Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 October, 2012 Share Posted 2 October, 2012 (edited) This is rule F22 from the 2011/12 Handbook : http://www.premierleague.com/content/dam/premierleague/site-content/News/publications/handbooks/premier-league-handbook-2011-12.pdf Players of the Visiting Club may wear its away Strip or third Strip when playing in League Matches provided that they shall not do so on more than 8 occasions in any Season, including those occasions, if any, when required to do so by virtue of the foregoing provisions of Rule F.21. For the avoidance of doubt, nothing in this Rule shall limit the number of occasions a Club may be required to change its Strip pursuant to Rule F.21. Clubs last season had to use a kit on NO MORE than 8 occasions - though back in 2005-ish when we were last up I vaguely recall the rule was that you had to use it at least 6(?) times. Don't think I can prove that though... http://www.premierleague.com/content/dam/premierleague/site-content/News/publications/handbooks/premier-league-handbook-2012-2013.pdf The 2012/13 Handbook has reworked the rules, and has an index down the side of where old and new rules have been implemented, there's no current rule that links back to F22 from last season, so basically they've dumped the "you must wear it 8 times" rule. Not surprising then that you get the likes of Fulham releasing limited edition 4th kits for one match. I'd also like to point out to the Kraken that I drafted the "where can we wear the white shirt" list twice already then deleted it because I knew no-one could care less. Liverpool away is the only time there is both a need AND the option to wear the white kit - various other games will give us the possibility to wear white shirts with other coloured shorts/socks, but Chelsea aside, pretty much everyone is at best a shorts clash, or wearing white is just pointless, like at Norwich. Edited 2 October, 2012 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 2 October, 2012 Share Posted 2 October, 2012 This is rule F22 from the 2011/12 Handbook : http://www.premierleague.com/content/dam/premierleague/site-content/News/publications/handbooks/premier-league-handbook-2011-12.pdf Players of the Visiting Club may wear its away Strip or third Strip when playing in League Matches provided that they shall not do so on more than 8 occasions in any Season, including those occasions, if any, when required to do so by virtue of the foregoing provisions of Rule F.21. For the avoidance of doubt, nothing in this Rule shall limit the number of occasions a Club may be required to change its Strip pursuant to Rule F.21. http://www.premierleague.com/content/dam/premierleague/site-content/News/publications/handbooks/premier-league-handbook-2012-2013.pdf The 2012/13 Handbook has reworked the rules, and has an index down the side of where old and new rules have been implemented, there's no current rule that links bck to F22 from last season, so basically they've dumped the "you must wear it 8 times" rule. Not surprising then that you get the likes of Fulham releasing limited edition 4th kits for one match. Doesn't that rule say you can't more it more than eight times anyway, not that it has to be worn a minimum of eight times? And are their specific rules concerning short and sock clashes, or is it just up to the ref? I can just about buy that two teams wearing the same colour socks could be issue, but am struggling to think of an instance where clashing shorts could cause any confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohwhenthesaints Posted 2 October, 2012 Share Posted 2 October, 2012 Villa and West Brom both wore white shorts on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 2 October, 2012 Share Posted 2 October, 2012 I think you have to wear a different colour shirt/shorts and socks to the opposition, which is why on occasions you see Man Utd playing in their home shirt but with black shorts. We could play in white shirts and shorts but with the home socks at Chelsea. Villa and West Brom both wore white shorts on Sunday. Oh ok...maybe I am wrong then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 October, 2012 Share Posted 2 October, 2012 Doesn't that rule say you can't more it more than eight times anyway, not that it has to be worn a minimum of eight times? And are their specific rules concerning short and sock clashes, or is it just up to the ref? I can just about buy that two teams wearing the same colour socks could be issue, but am struggling to think of an instance where clashing shorts could cause any confusion. Yes, a max of 8 (as I mentioned above, it used to be a minimum but there's no Prem documents from the last time we were up to support that). It's up to the Premier League panel who sorts it out (clubs have to advise 7 days before if there are any concerns), but it comes down to the ref on the day anyway. They don't care about shorts clashes in the Prem and haven't for some time - remember we changed shorts to white with the home kit for the 2003 FA Cup semi-final (because the cup rules are different), and changed shorts at Leicester in the Championship a couple of times, but we never wore the home kit with change shorts in the Prem. There's another issue of course, Prem clubs are much more likely to have "alternate" shorts for their kits rather than using the away or 3rd kits anyway. Similarly Saints currently have 4 sets of (outfielder) socks on the go, including two pairs of white ones. Man Utd actually have two pairs of black shorts at the moment (and often do), they have a pair of alternate home shorts in the same style as their white home shorts, and they often have black shorts with their white (or black) away kit too. This season the alternate black home has a red stripe down the side, whilst the black away short is designed to have the same horrible gingham pattern as the home shirt except in all black - but still they don't use it with the home kit (and sometimes not with the away kit either) ! If you want to be utterly anal about it there's an entire article on True Colours about it and loads of comments : http://www.truecoloursfootballkits.com/truecolours/clash-of-the-shorts Aside to this, I dunno how many of you noticed Gazzaniga made his league debut for Saints against Villa in last season's grey away goalkeeper's shirt because the ref decided the black one clashed with the officials (and presumably so did the dark purple one, and last season's home keeper kit was the same colour as Villa's away shirt), but he did. Played in black at Everton though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourno Posted 2 October, 2012 Share Posted 2 October, 2012 QPR and West Ham both wore white shorts last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 October, 2012 Share Posted 2 October, 2012 I think you have to wear a different colour shirt/shorts and socks to the opposition, which is why on occasions you see Man Utd playing in their home shirt but with black shorts. We could play in white shirts and shorts but with the home socks at Chelsea. Oh ok...maybe I am wrong then. Teams don't HAVE to change shorts, but sometimes it helps the overall colour effect to do so, and sometimes teams just want to "match" the kit style. The only real pointers are that the overall colours should not be similar enough to confuse, and that refs tend to like socks to be different colours because you get a lot of deflections, fouls etc where you need to know whose leg that was and it's not immediately obvious which player it is attached to, which is not really an issue with shorts. The new FIFA rule about "kit coloured tape" is also to aid identification, players were taping up half their socks with white tape, which obviously doesn't aid identification if the opposition wears white socks. And while we're on about white socks, don't even get me started on Burnley v Saints last season, when both sides inexplicably played in all white socks - before we had the sense to introduce the alternate blue socks for the next away match against a team in white socks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroader07 Posted 2 October, 2012 Share Posted 2 October, 2012 I think red shorts and white shirts is a great kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 October, 2012 Share Posted 2 October, 2012 I think red shorts and white shirts is a great kit I think just for the hell of it, a white shirts, blue shorts and red socks combination should get an airing this season. Never going to happen though, they make a point of not mixing the yellow kit with anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 3 October, 2012 Share Posted 3 October, 2012 When will we ever wear the all-white away kit? It seems like its full appearance this season could be very limited indeed, and the home kit and yellow kit is potentially going to be more prominent (even MOTD3 did a feature on kits and thought the yellow was our away one). In its full incarnation, I think the full away kit could potentially only get worn against two sides; Liverpool and Norwich. All other teams seem to have significant amounts of white either in their shirts, shorts and/or socks that will either require a different kit or different socks/shorts to be worn with the away shirts: Arsenal: already worn yellow. Aston Villa: they wear white shorts. Chelsea: they wear white socks. Everton: already worn red. Fulham: they wear white shirts. Liverpool: they wear all red. Man Utd: they wear white shorts. Man City: already worn red. Newcastle: they wear black and white striped shirts. Norwich: they wear yellow and green. QPR: they wear blue and white hooped shirts with white socks and shorts.R Reading: they wear blue and white hooped shirts and white shorts. Stoke: they wear red and white striped shirts, with white shorts and socks. Sunderland: they wear red and white striped shirts. Swansea: they wear all white. Tottenham: they wear white shirts. West Brom: they wear blue and white striped shirts, plus white shorts and socks. West Ham: they wear white shorts. Wigan: they wear blue and white striped shirts. The two in bold, Liverpool and Norwich, are the only clubs that don't have any significant amount of white in their home kits. We may get away with the white kit against some sides like Newcastle, though its perhaps more likely that we'd either wear the home kit or they yellow. And against some sides such as West Ham we could wear the white shirt but with a change of shorts/socks. In conclusion; chances to see the full all-white kit in action this season could be very few and far between! I wonder if the marketing genius that came up with the idea of an all white change strip has fully realised the consequences just yet.... Bizarre as I was thinking this myself this morning. The whole point of having an away kit is if the home kit clashes, so rule Norwich away out too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 What is the point of it ?? We have already played more often in last years yellow/blue kit ! It was clearly brought out only to make the first advertising picture look stripey when shown alongside the all red ! Weird, weird decision IMHO ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 It's just another weird decision to add to the ever growing list of weird decisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Disgraceful thread. Don't you remember where we were three years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Disgraceful thread. Don't you remember where we were three years ago? At least it is a distraction from all the Adkins out ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 It is an odd one. Even MOTD think the Yellow is our official 2nd kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 some w4nky london agency probably came up with the idea or how amazing it would be to have alternate lines of players in the red and then white strip - its a totally forgettable relegation kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Karloff Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Is Liverpool away the only game it will be used in? If it isn't used at West Ham, I can't think of another league game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didcot Saint Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 You can't even buy the yellow kit which is a crap marketing ploy. We only brought out the white kit for the Red and White ( add and now we're totally ****e) theme at the start of the season. Well done Nicola yet another f... Up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Isn´t it really easy that are not allowed to play in the white kit when opponents have white in their kit? And West Ham do have white in their kit........ But I understand the lot of you, find something to complain about and never look at what rules there are....cause you live just to find anything to complain about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 21 October, 2012 Author Share Posted 21 October, 2012 Isn´t it really easy that are not allowed to play in the white kit when opponents have white in their kit? And West Ham do have white in their kit........ But I understand the lot of you, find something to complain about and never look at what rules there are....cause you live just to find anything to complain about... I think you miss the point completely. "The rules" that you mention should have made it perfectly clear that an all white kit will only really be able to be worn at 1 club in the Premier League; Liverpool. Which makes it a f*cking stupid decision to go with that kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 It's been a great move. Bring out an away kit we never wear and wear one no one can buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambol2K9 Posted 21 October, 2012 Share Posted 21 October, 2012 It is hilarious that our official away kit is never worn and the kit we do wear you can't buy in the shops. Commercial disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Is Liverpool away the only game it will be used in? If it isn't used at West Ham, I can't think of another league game. We could also wear it at Norwich and Chelsea (if they don't wear white socks!) but that is a maximum of 3 matches, which makes it a total joke for a one season kit !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 I was only trying to usurp The9 in the kit nerd stakes Give it up. You'll have more luck p*ssing in the wind. Have we really not worn it yet ? Who is the naughty boy who didnt check PL kit rules and potential clashes before deciding on our kits ? Epic Fail. Hands up the mugs who bought it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenneth_kenobi Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 You can wear same colour shorts - Arsenal always wear white shorts when they are away and wear their red (e.g. at Everon). We should have worn the white v Hammers, even with the red shorts. All this rubbish about not wearing white v Sunderland - Leeds did it for years, against them and us!! We do not need to wear yellow again this year, mainly because we can wear red in 11 of our remaining away games. Games to come: Aston Villa: white shirts, red shorts Chelsea: we will wear red Fulham: we will wear red Liverpool: white Man Utd: white shirts, red (or blue) shorts Newcastle: we will wear red Norwich: we will wear red QPR: we will wear red Reading: we will wear red Stoke: white shirts, red or blue shorts Sunderland: white Swansea: red Tottenham: red West Brom: red Wigan: red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 Maybe it's actually going to be our home kit for the second half of the season, and the change of kit will coincide with a complete reversal of form and fortune. Or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 October, 2012 Share Posted 22 October, 2012 We should change our name to Manyoo, then we could change into it at half-time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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