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Jack Cork and Tadanari Lee

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RonManager

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I guess cork will rotate with Davis and jwp will drop out. Not so sure about lee, you'd have to ask Atkins.

 

Lee won't be a problem. He'll be ready to play and then his head'll catch fire or something, and he'll be out again for a while.

david in sweden

david in sweden

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We need to play different sides at home and away..with different formations. Away games will be a problem for many sides - not just us.

 

Cork was an ever present last season (well almost) .....so he should be a regular - when properly " Saints fit " and play at alternative RB or change player for Steve Davis.

 

JWP is a great prospect, but to will break his spirit, if he continues to play in a losing side, he should be rested more often but come off the bench instead when needed.

 

Lee has been the victim of two "freak injuries".....when fit he should play in all home games......and see how he develops.

He should start and (according to success) be changed out with Punch or JayRod.....and change the formation to suit.

 

It can be seen that many sides learn what went wrong in the first 45 and don't need to wait and have an after-match inquest.

 

If we are winning at half time, they will counter quickly - we must do the same. If we are losing, we need a change formation / players much earlier 46 mins. - and not after 70 mins.

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david in sweden

david in sweden

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Why were they freak injuries?

 

Well...according to my info.(right /wrong) . they were in training and -not game time ?....OR ..?

 

Guly trampled on his foot and broke (something) in the Spring....and he was out for 4-5 months....

 

.....and damaging / breaking an arm is surely a lot less commonplace than say ...and ankle or knee injury - isn't it?

Badger

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Lee won't be a problem. He'll be ready to play and then his head'll catch fire or something, and he'll be out again for a while.

 

Are you suggesting he is the new David Connolly, or the Japanese 'Latvian Michael Owen' by any chance ?

Window Cleaner

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Why were they freak injuries?

 

 

 

Indeed injuries of all sorts are pretty common in football, they don't all happen during matches or training sessions. Which is why PL clubs have 25 man groups + young players I guess. What most of them don't have is 3 or 4 players who are theoretically part of the squad but will play absolutely no part in the club's PL campaign, like Seaborne,Dickson and Butterfield.

John Boy Saint

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Why were they freak injuries?

You just have to hope that they were just freak injuries and not caused by an underlaying problems, like those suffered by Danny Wallace who couldn't shake off silly niggles when he went to Man U , or Fabrice Muamba problem that no one saw coming either.

david in sweden

david in sweden

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wow hang on guys ...this is supposed to be about Tadanari Lee and Jack Cork....see OP .....let's try and get back to Cheese on Toast's original question ...

 

I'm sorry that my " passing comment" has created so much conjecture.....maybe they weren't freak injuries/ or training injuries ? ...so what ?

 

......so back to Lee and Cork then .....? your thoughts....

Junior Mullet

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wow hang on guys ...this is supposed to be about Tadanari Lee and Jack Cork....see OP .....let's try and get back to Cheese on Toast's original question ...

 

I'm sorry that my " passing comment" has created so much conjecture.....maybe they weren't freak injuries/ or training injuries ? ...so what ?

 

......so back to Lee and Cork then .....? your thoughts....

 

Cork will be class at this level and will start. Lee is not good enough for the Prem but will be given chances off the bench like Mayuka to please our growing fanbases in far flung parts of the world.

Window Cleaner

Window Cleaner

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Cork will be class at this level and will start. Lee is not good enough for the Prem but will be given chances off the bench like Mayuka to please our growing fanbases in far flung parts of the world.

 

If that's correct I do wonder why we're wasting a reported 25K a week on Lee then, not very Cortesian at all, bet he hates wasting money on lost causes. Cork was demoted in the numbering system this summer, that usually means in our case that you're not starter material. We should cut that out by the way, no other club does it, players take whatever number they're given in the majority of cases.

david in sweden

david in sweden

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If that's correct I do wonder why we're wasting a reported 25K a week on Lee then, not very Cortesian at all, bet he hates wasting money on lost causes. Cork was demoted in the numbering system this summer, that usually means in our case that you're not starter material. We should cut that out by the way, no other club does it, players take whatever number they're given in the majority of cases.

 

 

That sounds logical I agree, but human nature says that some players may have a lucky/ unlucky number, South American players like 10....English strikers like 9... and Saints players cherish the 7 shirt.

Lallana seems to like 20 (!) .........why ?

 

If it's an issue.. I don't think there's any harm in asking .... (some second choice goalkeepers have had 13 ), but some outfielders might be superstitious about that.

VectisSaint

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Lee is not good enough for the Prem but will be given chances off the bench.

What a load of rubbish, both Lee and Mayuka are good PL material, the problem that NA has is how to fit them into the team, although "in place of JRod" comes to mind.

david in sweden

david in sweden

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MY first thought... after he (JayRod) signed........was that he would be groomed to become Rickie's eventual replacement.

 

However, as it turns out he may have to wait a bit longer than he (and many others) thought. Surprise, Surprise says the Footballing world ...Rickie Lambert can score goals in the Prem. too

 

If we play (as I think we must) Lee and Mayuka on an (i)regular basis then JayRod is going to have to spend a bit longer on the bench, or until RL's career takes a down turn...which seems unlikely just now.

 

It's a "squad game " says Atkins.....and he won't be the only one.but if you think I'm being hard on Jay Rod .or his performances let me quote you the career record of a striker who joined us some time back.

 

Season 1... 22 starts ....scored just 5 goals...............OK we said, he's new.

Season 2.... 8 starts ....scored no goals at all...What a waste of space he's turning out to be !

Season 3... 29 starts ....scored 11 goals.................. Alright... a bit better..at least he was leading scorer...

Season 4....24 starts.....scored 12 goals...................still doesn't sound very promising - does he ?.....but wait a bit..

 

Season 5....35 starts.....scores 23 goals ! ......it was James Beattie.

He was the highest-scoring English player in the Prem. that season and missed out on the Golden Boot to Thierry Henry - no less !

 

Jay Rod's time will come. Beattie was 25 when he got his best tally, but whilst we've still got Rickie Lambert fit and scoring .I hope that Jay Rod will learn a little patience if he doesn't get to start every game.

Cheese on Toast

Cheese on Toast

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my first thought... After he (jayrod) signed........was that he would be groomed to become rickie's eventual replacement.

 

However, as it turns out he may have to wait a bit longer than he (and many others) thought. Surprise, surprise says the footballing world ...rickie lambert can score goals in the prem. Too

 

if we play (as i think we must) lee and mayuka on an (i)regular basis then jayrod is going to have to spend a bit longer on the bench, or until rl's career takes a down turn...which seems unlikely just now.

 

It's a "squad game " says atkins.....and he won't be the only one.but if you think i'm being hard on jay rod .or his performances let me quote you the career record of a striker who joined us some time back.

 

Season 1... 22 starts ....scored just 5 goals...............ok we said, he's new.

Season 2... 8 starts .....scored no goals at all. What a waste of space he is !

Season 3... 29 starts ....scored 11 goals.................. Alright a bit better..at least he was leading scorer...

Season 4....24 starts.....scored 12 goals....................still doesn't sound very promising - does he ?.....but wait a bit..

 

Season 5....35 starts.....scores 23 goals ! ......it was james beattie.

he was the highest-scoring english player in the prem. That season and missed out on the golden boot to thierry henry - no less !

 

Jay rod's time will come. Beattie was 25 when he got his best tally, but whilst we've still got rickie lambert fit and scoring .i hope that jay rod will learn a little patience if he doesn't get to start every game.

 

Just because you're swedish, it doesn't mean you can spell our manager's name wrong.

toe_punt

toe_punt

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Just because you're swedish, it doesn't mean you can spell our manager's name wrong.

 

Just because you're English, it doesn't mean you can use "wrong" instead of "wrongly".

david in sweden

david in sweden

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]Just because you're swedish[/b]' date=' it doesn't mean you can spell our manager's name wrong.[/quote']

 

well actually.. I'm probably more English than you......because I was born in So'ton....and I imagine .. a long time before you, as well .....

 

If my spelling mistake bothers you .....put it down to a touch of .....Alsheimers....or, my arthritic fingers....and my failure to use the spell check !

 

btw I stand by my comments -above.

Cheese on Toast

Cheese on Toast

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well actually.. I'm probably more English than you......because I was born in So'ton....and I imagine .. a long time before you, as well .....

 

If my spelling mistake bothers you .....put it down to a touch of .....Alsheimers....or, my arthritic fingers....and my failure to use the spell check !

 

btw I stand by my comments -above.

 

Sorry Dave

kpturner

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well actually.. I'm probably more English than you......because I was born in So'ton....and I imagine .. a long time before you, as well .....

 

If my spelling mistake bothers you .....put it down to a touch of .....Alsheimers....or, my arthritic fingers....and my failure to use the spell check !

 

btw I stand by my comments -above.

 

Is a spell checker really likely to help you spell Adkins correctly?

Saint Bones

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He seems to have a fair left peg on him so would he be out of place in the left sided forward/winger role ?

 

I guess we have Adam and Ramirez that can play there also - but they "seem " to be both playing a more central role.

 

regardless it will only be hard work and determinnation that will get Lee back into the team ( OK Injuries aside ) and that can only be a good thing.

 

Once fit I can see Cork going straight back into the team in the place of JWP.

 

 

Morgan, Jack and Steve looks a lot more solid midfield with our more pacey, creative players working the wings for Rickie and JRod (Please can we just play him in the striker role )

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Stepgar

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Tadanari Lee could be one of our most important players if he did not spend so much time in the treatment room.

 

 

Is he our new version of Connoly?

The Kraken

The Kraken

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No, but he is the Japanese Marian Pahars

 

At least Marians gave us a few good seasons before getting perma-crocked. Lee has been injured ever since he rocked up with us.

melmacian_saint

melmacian_saint

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I was looking forward to Cork and Schneiderlin in midfield for us this year. Thought they linked up really well.

 

So I hope he gets back soon. That way we can defend more efficiently in midfield and not have players running through it all the time.

trousers

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Anyone have any latest news on either of these guys? I haven't heard anything about Tadanari for, well it seems like an age.

 

Nigel said about 6 weeks ago that he would be back in 2 weeks. Make of that what you will...

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