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S-Clarke

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Is 'playing really good football' but consistently failing to get three (or even one) points acceptable?

 

If we keep playing, and creating the chances we are, we will win more than we lose.

 

Everton are a well drilled side, but I must admit we made it very, very easy for them in that period in the first half. Apart from that 15mins though, it was an even contest (which was probably aided by Everton taking their foot off the pedal slightly).

 

City, Arsenal, Everton, Man Utd in the first 6 is an horrific start for anyone, the fact we're above the bottom 3 - for me, is a huge positive to take. When reading hit the run we've had, or Norwich, or QPR - then I can't see them doing much better. I'm confident that NA is doing the right things, we're playing good football and control decent periods of games. The goals that we concede are frustrating, because they're down to the youthfulness and, at times, inexperience of the play - that's only going to improve with games, as we have a young side with very little PL experience.

 

What we may see with this group is a blossoming in the 2nd half of the season, but we need to make sure we keep our head above water before then so we don't have too much to do.

 

The foundations are there, the structure is there - let's not go knocking it down and starting again on a few games.

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Having Boruc on board is a massive positive, once fit he will give us a strong last line of defence and organise those in front of him. Adkins knew full well we needed two centre halves and a full back in September and for whatever reason the 'transfer panel' only achieved one from three, so all we be aware now. I still think we have it in us to do a reverse Blackpool and keep on improving as the matches come...

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for three seasons, we were a very good side capable of beating most sides. BUT the gap between the Championship and the Prem. is more than just the three places from clubs who were promoted.

 

There is a huge difference in quality, skill aand experience. More than half the sides in the Prem. were there 7 years ago when we were relegated....and some of them even longer ...now we have to learn fast.

By now SFC has realised what is need to come to terms with this challenge.

 

Looking at the other clubs around us; QPR, and Norwich (though promoted a year ago) are amongst the strugglers, too........as are Reading....and I don't think Wham will turn out much better.

 

......but more interesting IMO ......is the Newcastle Chairman's decision to give Alan Pardew (sacked by Saints)...an 8 year extension to his contract !

 

Thats what I call .. visionary planning. Of course Nigel Adkins is the right man .....we just need patience...... and a bit more investment in January.

 

Everton and Arsenal are amongst the clubs who haven't won much in the last 7 years but they have kept faith with their managers......why shouldn't we ?

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I admire everyone's loyalty, and the support for Nigel was absolutely superb last week.

 

...But, whilst I am not saying 'sack the manager', he has made some alarming blunders this season, and dropping Puncheon to the bench today was another.

 

I am worried that the win last week was just papering over the cracks. We certainly need to improve all over the pitch next week.

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If we keep playing, and creating the chances we are, we will win more than we lose.

 

Everton are a well drilled side, but I must admit we made it very, very easy for them in that period in the first half. Apart from that 15mins though, it was an even contest (which was probably aided by Everton taking their foot off the pedal slightly).

 

City, Arsenal, Everton, Man Utd in the first 6 is an horrific start for anyone, the fact we're above the bottom 3 - for me, is a huge positive to take. When reading hit the run we've had, or Norwich, or QPR - then I can't see them doing much better. I'm confident that NA is doing the right things, we're playing good football and control decent periods of games. The goals that we concede are frustrating, because they're down to the youthfulness and, at times, inexperience of the play - that's only going to improve with games, as we have a young side with very little PL experience.

 

What we may see with this group is a blossoming in the 2nd half of the season, but we need to make sure we keep our head above water before then so we don't have too much to do.

 

The foundations are there, the structure is there - let's not go knocking it down and starting again on a few games.

 

We're you there today? Everton battered us in the 2nd half and if it wasn't for Gaza they would've had 4 or 5 more. We defended (if you can call it that) too far up the pitch which kept leaving us exposed at the back. Throw in our defenders ability not to get stuck in and constantly back off players who ran at them and you've pretty much got all the makings of a team who simply can't defend.

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We're you there today? Everton battered us in the 2nd half and if it wasn't for Gaza they would've had 4 or 5 more. We defended (if you can call it that) too far up the pitch which kept leaving us exposed at the back. Throw in our defenders ability not to get stuck in and constantly back off players who ran at them and you've pretty much got all the makings of a team who simply can't defend.

 

No, I wasn't there, but I did watch the entire game on a stream and even I can certainly say that we were not battered in the 2nd half. We were battered between 30-45mins in the first half, apart from that spell - where all their goals were scored - they didn't trouble us a great deal and we retained the ball well enough. Gazza made a couple of decent saves, but we weren't as open in the 2nd half as we were during stages in teh 1st half. Now that was probably down to a combination of us changing slightly, and Everton taking their foot off the peddle.

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I admire everyone's loyalty, and the support for Nigel was absolutely superb last week.

 

...But, whilst I am not saying 'sack the manager', he has made some alarming blunders this season, and dropping Puncheon to the bench today was another.

 

I am worried that the win last week was just papering over the cracks. We certainly need to improve all over the pitch next week.

 

Absolutely spot on. I'm seriously concerned about NA's apparent lack of tactical knowledge. He's got it spectacularly wrong in at least 4 of our 6 games.

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We're you there today? Everton battered us in the 2nd half and if it wasn't for Gaza they would've had 4 or 5 more. We defended (if you can call it that) too far up the pitch which kept leaving us exposed at the back. Throw in our defenders ability not to get stuck in and constantly back off players who ran at them and you've pretty much got all the makings of a team who simply can't defend.

 

I was there. In with the Everton crowd high in the stand. I had a great view of this game and it was quite apparent in the second half we didn't really have ago and it was as if we were just happy not to lose the second period. That really disappointed me and it made it a comfortable forty five minutes for Everton. We were powder puff - nice and neat at times but no real bite. I like NA but he made some errors in his selection and he didn't freshen it up when he should've.

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I was there. In with the Everton crowd high in the stand. I had a great view of this game and it was quite apparent in the second half we didn't really have ago and it was as if we were just happy not to lose the second period. That really disappointed me and it made it a comfortable forty five minutes for Everton. We were powder puff - nice and neat at times but no real bite. I like NA but he made some errors in his selection and he didn't freshen it up when he should've.

 

Agree - the most disappointing thing was that we didn't it give a go 2nd half.

NA will be drawing positives from that period but it was a red herring performance.

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If NC was picking the team, Mayuka would be starting or would have come on a lot earlier today. Jrod was a 100% NA signing and got his start - perhaps undeservedly.

 

so adkins is incompetent then? Why would a manager consistently play a formation which gets us battered in the same positions?

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I admire everyone's loyalty, and the support for Nigel was absolutely superb last week.

 

...But, whilst I am not saying 'sack the manager', he has made some alarming blunders this season, and dropping Puncheon to the bench today was another.

 

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Agree with this.

 

Substitutions v Mancs were poor, last week I questioned the changes towards the end of the game, bringing JP off.

 

Today, I really felt JP might have offered a better protection to the full back from midfield. Chaplow is more experienced than JWP at a place like Goodison.

 

Rodriguez, despite his goals v Sheff Weds, is ike a spare limb the way we have played him this season, so I did not expect much from him today.

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Is it? You don't seriously think a manager of Adkins calibre would persist with a formation that isn't working, we dont have the players for and has consistently left us exposed on the flanks away from home?

 

Haven't you got anything better to do on a Saturday other than a bit of trolling on a mong board?

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for three seasons, we were a very good side capable of beating most sides. BUT the gap between the Championship and the Prem. is more than just the three places from clubs who were promoted.

 

There is a huge difference in quality, skill aand experience. More than half the sides in the Prem. were there 7 years ago when we were relegated....and some of them even longer ...now we have to learn fast.

By now SFC has realised what is need to come to terms with this challenge.

 

Looking at the other clubs around us; QPR, and Norwich (though promoted a year ago) are amongst the strugglers, too........as are Reading....and I don't think Wham will turn out much better.

 

......but more interesting IMO ......is the Newcastle Chairman's decision to give Alan Pardew (sacked by Saints)...an 8 year extension to his contract !

 

Thats what I call .. visionary planning. Of course Nigel Adkins is the right man .....we just need patience...... and a bit more investment in January.

 

Everton and Arsenal are amongst the clubs who haven't won much in the last 7 years but they have kept faith with their managers......why shouldn't we ?

 

Good post but do you really think Adkins will be given money to spend in January if we are still floundering?.....I just can't see it happening,the January window is notoriously hard to prise decent players away from their clubs as it is without factoring in that buying a few decent players could add massively to our problems if we are relegated.

I just can't see NC releasing the money if there is a good chance we will get relegated.

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We play really good football and he will sort everything out defensively and we will be fine. Morgan was out and boruc will not accept defensive errors. Morgan was out too. Trust Adkins.

 

No use playing attractive football if you continue to let in shedloads every game. Top Clubs BUILD FROM THE BACK

 

"Sort ourselves out defensively " Sound idea. Just exactly how will we do that ? Adkins either won't, or does not know HOW to construct a watertight defence with the players he has.

 

"Boruc will not accept defensive errors" Daft statement IMHO. Most keepers won't "accept" defensive errors, but just exactly WHAT can he, or anyone do about it. At the moment, we DO NOT HAVE the Philosophy of a Premier League defence strategy, and Adkins shows little sign of knowing how to plug the leaks. A keeper is the last line of defence, and, IMHO. not even Shilton in his heyday, or Joe Hart now, could have done any better than Gazza about Everton's goals. THe defensive frailties happened long before the ball reached him.

 

Boruc will fare no better, because he will have the same defence in front of him. Good Luck Artur

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]Can't fault Adkins [/b]after all he has done for us. The Premier League is hard and even if we get relegated which is a real possibility' date=' I would like to see us keep him.[/quote']

 

Why can't you fault him ?? I assume the Team are playing to his instructions are they not ? Part of those instructions include a "Defensive Strategy" ??

 

Well, IMHO, the "Defensive Strategy" is not working, so, I blame Adkins ....... unless of course it's the responsibility of the Tea Boy ?

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What it all really comes down to is if NC thinks Adkins is the right man for the job,he's not a stupid man so I'm guessing ,like many on here the doubts must be creeping in.

after investing so much money in getting us here and then splashing out £25m+ on players this season NC is not going to let it all slip away just because of how well Adkins has done upto now.

Without doubt he will act if things are not going the way he wants,his job is to protect the family's investment and to do his best to maximise its potential and if that is under threat then you can bet your life so will Adkins job regardless of what you or I think of the decision.

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What it all really comes down to is if NC thinks Adkins is the right man for the job,he's not a stupid man so I'm guessing ,like many on here the doubts must be creeping in.

after investing so much money in getting us here and then splashing out £25m+ on players this season NC is not going to let it all slip away just because of how well Adkins has done upto now.

Without doubt he will act if things are not going the way he wants,his job is to protect the family's investment and to do his best to maximise its potential and if that is under threat then you can bet your life so will Adkins job regardless of what you or I think of the decision.

 

NC will have a few people in his ear, but he is very much his own man. Adkins seems to be getting a fair crack of the whip, which is only right. But as you say, Cortese will do what is right for the football club.

 

He definitely wouldn't get rid of Adkins unless he had someone better lined up.

 

Hopefully, a decent run of results, and all this talk will be put to bed.

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NC will have a few people in his ear, but he is very much his own man. Adkins seems to be getting a fair crack of the whip, which is only right. But as you say, Cortese will do what is right for the football club.

 

He definitely wouldn't get rid of Adkins unless he had someone better lined up.

 

Hopefully, a decent run of results, and all this talk will be put to bed.

 

Yes I'm with this,NC doesn't seem the type of man to make rash decisions without having a backup plan.i hope that Nigel does get a decent chance just not at the expense of us getting relegated.there has to be a cutoff point when NC says enough is enough and does act but for the meantime I'm praying that Adkins will become a great manager.

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Good post but do you really think Adkins will be given money to spend in January if we are still floundering?.....I just can't see it happening,the January window is notoriously hard to prise decent players away from their clubs as it is without factoring in that buying a few decent players could add massively to our problems if we are relegated.

I just can't see NC releasing the money if there is a good chance we will get relegated.

 

He'd be crazy NOT to.

 

Having got to the Prem. (in double quick time)... we've seen that most of last season's squad can't cut it in the Prem. (no surprise to many of us ).....

 

Now that we've seen it don't work, the next stage is a new defence. But Cortese is a realist. Being in the Prem. is worth (according to varying reports)..... £60 - £90 million a year

 

He must put in more investment. I don't expect him to spend another £30 mill......but securing survival is the number one priority. Relegation would be unthinkable after the efforts of the last three seasons.

 

I don't believe he would sack NA, but if he did ....he'd have to give (a new manager) just as much to buy in the help we need.

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so adkins is incompetent then? Why would a manager consistently play a formation which gets us battered in the same positions?

 

he packs the centre to try and keep the ball and stop teams waltzing through the middle. That leaves us open out wide. Spread us more thinly across the middle and we become exposed, er, down the middle. It's a catch 22. At some point he is going to have to trust the players to play 4-4-2 though. Either that or we go for a 4-5-1 (not a 4-3-3.

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he packs the centre to try and keep the ball and stop teams waltzing through the middle. That leaves us open out wide. Spread us more thinly across the middle and we become exposed, er, down the middle. It's a catch 22. At some point he is going to have to trust the players to play 4-4-2 though. Either that or we go for a 4-5-1 (not a 4-3-3.

 

annoyingly, Evertons second goal came from them waltzing straight through the middle...!

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