Everton 3 - 1 Saints - Post Match Reaction

[Wade Garrett]

The ignore option is pointless if you keep quoting trolls like alpine. Please stop.

[s0108787]

http://audioboo.fm/boos/983070-saintsfc-boss-nigel-adkins-talks-to-bigadamsport-after-his-side-s-3-1-defeat-to-everton

[VectisSaint]

What players could be motivated by Adkins and his stooges lying back on the touchline. Where is the Nigel who gives as much as the players from the touchline. Failing to replace the useless Rodriguez by Puncheon ensured we didn't stand a hope in hell of pulling a goal or two back. Switched off, just couldn't see more of the same old ****e due to Adkins losing the plot again.

Bit of an odd reaction from you ART. Seems to me that Adkins made a lot of difference today at half-time. In any case playing away to Everton and without Morgan are you really surprised we lost today? The only surprise for me is that it was only 3-1. I do happen to agree with you about J-Rod (not so much he is useless but he is being played out of position), I don't really know why Adkins persists with that, but I guess that's where he thinks he will develop into and why he bought him.

[Window Cleaner]

What is a Calne?

 

 

If I told you that Watersmeet in err Devon and Calne in Wiltshire could be twin towns you could work it out for yourself.

[the stain]

http://audioboo.fm/boos/983070-saintsfc-boss-nigel-adkins-talks-to-bigadamsport-after-his-side-s-3-1-defeat-to-everton

 

Thanks for posting

[Window Cleaner]

Bit of an odd reaction from you ART. Seems to me that Adkins made a lot of difference today at half-time. In any case playing away to Everton and without Morgan are you really surprised we lost today? The only surprise for me is that it was only 3-1. I do happen to agree with you about J-Rod (not so much he is useless but he is being played out of position), I don't really know why Adkins persists with that, but I guess that's where he thinks he will develop into and why he bought him.

 

 

I guess that being a relatively small club having spent a reported 7 million £ on a player we feel that we should be getting some mileage out of said player. As we have Lambert as a central striker then JRod has to be drafted into a complimentary role.

[Dr. Kucho]

Disappointed with the result, but yet again saw some good football at times. Our defending scares the sh*t out of me, but when we build from the back we play some very good football, just a shame that our final ball was poor today. Rickie and Gaston seem to link well together and JWP showed some though having a tough game.

Hope Morgan, Mayuka and Puncheon recover soon as we need them against Fulham.

 

All credit to Moyes and Everton, what a great team they have put together with the little money they have to spend. Fellaini is immense and Baines's crosses and set pieces are class, if we had them two in our team we would have one fine team.

[Ohio Saint]

As far as motivating the team goes, I think the team would benefit if NA were actually on the pitch WITH them. They seem to miss his dulcet tones when they are more than ten feet away from him, as his half time talks seem to show.

[S-Clarke]

Sounds like Morgan's out for a few weeks.

[Window Cleaner]

Sounds like Morgan's out for a few weeks.

 

but less than Jack Cork, sounds like a how long's a piece of string question.

 

Pity for Morgan really, with Mavuba and Diaby out he must have been on the verge of a call up for France's game with Japan.

[Ohio Saint]

That did NOT seem like a usual NA interview. Much more info, he sounded worried somehow...... I hope I'm just imagining it.

[Ohio Saint]

http://audioboo.fm/boos/983070-saintsfc-boss-nigel-adkins-talks-to-bigadamsport-after-his-side-s-3-1-defeat-to-everton

 

Oh yes, thanks for the linky.

[Window Cleaner]

That did NOT seem like a usual NA interview. Much more info, he sounded worried somehow...... I hope I'm just imagining it.

 

He sounded defensive, as if he were trying to justify the starting system today.Full of if onlys and could have beens.

[Roger]

We will be fine. Will win at home and tighten

Up away.

[VectisSaint]

If I told you that Watersmeet in err Devon and Calne in Wiltshire could be twin towns you could work it out for yourself.

Watersmeet is a nice place, i don't see the similarity at all :-)

[Ohio Saint]

He sounded defensive, as if he were trying to justify the starting system today.Full of if onlys and could have beens.

 

So I wasn't imagining it? Oh poo.

[Window Cleaner]

Watersmeet is a nice place, i don't see the similarity at all :-)

 

Ah but then I don't know much about either place, but the 2 names mean the same thing, well if you speak ancient Celtic they do anyway.

 

How do i know this? well I'm a bit of a student of Arthurian Legend in my spare hours.

Edited 29 September, 2012 by Window Cleaner

[Wes Tender]

Did we really expect anything other than a pretty resounding defeat. Let's be honest most people are probably hacked off because we actually scored and took the lead - but it was never going to last.

 

We are not good enough for this division and the amount of goals we have leaked is shocking.

 

Typical knee-jerk reaction early on in a season, based on us playing four of the top teams in the country and conceding goals to them. Before reaching any concrete conclusion, don't you think that we ought to see how other teams fare against these top teams and how we do against the lesser lights? Or don't you think that these top clubs will be capable of putting a similar number of goals past our immediate rivals in the division? Or perhaps it must be a given that those immediate rivals have better defences and goalkeepers than us.

 

In any event, we will have to wait and see, won't we?

[lordswoodsaints]

Bit of an odd reaction from you ART. Seems to me that Adkins made a lot of difference today at half-time. In any case playing away to Everton and without Morgan are you really surprised we lost today? The only surprise for me is that it was only 3-1. I do happen to agree with you about J-Rod (not so much he is useless but he is being played out of position), I don't really know why Adkins persists with that, but I guess that's where he thinks he will develop into and why he bought him.

The lad said himself in the week he wanted to play upfront and I'm guessing that when he signed he wasn't told he would play out of position.....apart from the money I expect he is wondering why he signed.

For me we lost it playing too many inexperienced players in a unfamiliar setup (shades of the Dutch experiment?)....Adkins should have stuck with a combination of what he finished with in the game against villa,why change a winning,working formation and team?

Too many tweaks and it cost us,the villa game was just papering over the cracks for me....ok,it was against a sort of in form Everton side but even so we could have and should have done better, a draw was not out of the realms of possibility but we blew the chance on experiment,inexperience and bad tactics.

[Window Cleaner]

So I wasn't imagining it? Oh poo.

 

Nothing new though, he was the same after we got thumped a couple of times last season as well. He's not wrong though, we have to take our chances when they arise.

[VectisSaint]

Sounds like Morgan's out for a few weeks.

Afraid this might happen, he is key for us this season and has been immense so far. Any hint of what the problem is?

I guess we will have to hope Steve Davis can step up, apart from against Villa have been somewhat underwhelmed by him so far, but sure he can do better (he was finally beginning to show what he could do until he was subbed last week).

[VectisSaint]

it was against a sort of in form Everton side.

The art of the understatement defined...

[Window Cleaner]

Afraid this might happen, he is key for us this season and has been immense so far. Any hint of what the problem is?

I guess we will have to hope Steve Davis can step up, apart from against Villa have been somewhat underwhelmed by him so far, but sure he can do better (he was finally beginning to show what he could do until he was subbed last week).

 

Knee injury picked up in the last few minutes against Villa apparently. Probably some crunching tackle or other. Morgan is our

player with the most tackles and the most interceptions, way way beyond any of the defenders.

[stknowle]

Typical knee-jerk reaction early on in a season, based on us playing four of the top teams in the country and conceding goals to them. Before reaching any concrete conclusion, don't you think that we ought to see how other teams fare against these top teams and how we do against the lesser lights? Or don't you think that these top clubs will be capable of putting a similar number of goals past our immediate rivals in the division? Or perhaps it must be a given that those immediate rivals have better defences and goalkeepers than us.

 

In any event, we will have to wait and see, won't we?

 

I think we will Be good Enough but then Again we might not be but Anyway we'll see!!

[Ohio Saint]

Nothing new though, he was the same after we got thumped a couple of times last season as well. He's not wrong though, we have to take our chances when they arise.

 

But this time, I saw Cortese's face during the match. It was enough to make me hide all the kitchen utensils and learn Italian for "Stop stabbing me! My back hurts!"

[bargeld]

i know what you guys need...a goalkeeper giving a little bit advice to his own defenders

[Window Cleaner]

But this time, I saw Cortese's face during the match. It was enough to make me hide all the kitchen utensils and learn Italian for "Stop stabbing me! My back hurts!"

 

So in fact your afternoon was singularly informative. Not only did you watch the match but you could probably talk your way out of a street ambush in the back streets of Naples (or Chicago)

[Lighthouse]

We've played 4 of the 5 best teams in the League in our opening 6 games. 3 of those were away. Despite this we are still above some teams who have f**ked up MUCH easier fixtures. We need to sort out the defence but we are still giving top 6 teams a decent game.

 

There is definitely something about this Saints team, which is more than I can say for Norwich, QPR and Reading at the moment.

[Window Cleaner]

I think we will Be good Enough but then Again we might not be but Anyway we'll see!!

 

Hah Danny speak

[Ohio Saint]

i know what you guys need...a goalkeeper giving a little bit advice to his own defenders

 

LMAO!!! To be fair though, Our keeper was not the problem today. We have other problems now.

[Ohio Saint]

We've played 4 of the 5 best teams in the League in our opening 6 games. 3 of those were away. Despite this we are still above some teams who have f**ked up MUCH easier fixtures. We need to sort out the defence but we are still giving top 6 teams a decent game.

 

There is definitely something about this Saints team, which is more than I can say for Norwich, QPR and Reading at the moment.

 

This is how I feel too. All we need to do is not be the worst team in the division!!

 

There have been posititives in every game except Wigan IMO

[david in sweden]

Great post.

During the summer the top ten teams seem to buy a bit from abroad, then spend the rest of their energies shaving 0.5m lumps off transfer deals amongst themselves.

We go and buy almost-unheard of players from abroad on the hope we've spotted something that might blossom under the light of the PL.

Very Rupert Lowe-ish.

 

 

....but Alpine......just because a player is unknown to YOU, doesn't mean that they are no good ...does it ?

 

Football is a world game nowadays and we have players from 4 continents at present, and I don't think even you would say that any of them was rubbish ...or would you ?

 

Losing games is an inevitability for most Prem. clubs, and after everyone bleating about the tough fixtures at the start of the season, we've just lost to a team that has gone second in the table.........

surely ..even you....... would admit that it's a difficult start.so far.

[lordswoodsaints]

This is how I feel too. All we need to do is not be the worst team in the division!!

 

There have been posititives in every game except Wigan IMO

 

Or 2nd or 3rd worst....I actually would like to stay in this division and I would imagine that NC does as well,although his ambitions seem to be a bit higher than mine.

[S-Clarke]

Afraid this might happen, he is key for us this season and has been immense so far. Any hint of what the problem is?

I guess we will have to hope Steve Davis can step up, apart from against Villa have been somewhat underwhelmed by him so far, but sure he can do better (he was finally beginning to show what he could do until he was subbed last week).

 

He's done his medial knee ligaments.

[VectisSaint]

Ah but then I don't know much about either place, but the 2 names mean the same thing, well if you speak ancient Celtic they do anyway.

 

How do i know this? well I'm a bit of a student of Arthurian Legend in my spare hours.

Very good, it really is educational on here sometimes ;-) "Col-aun" - a meeting of waters. Do you really think this is what Ottery meant? I never had him down as a Celtic scholar. I cannot pretend that I knew this even tough I have lived here for 30+ years now, but confirmed it with Google and the Calne Rugby Club history.

[WealdSaint]

We lost the plot for about 20 minutes and were well spanked in that time.

 

First part of first half & second half we were ok.

 

It's going to be a long season, but this match was almost better than I had thought it was going to be

[VectisSaint]

Knee injury picked up in the last few minutes against Villa apparently. Probably some crunching tackle or other. Morgan is our

player with the most tackles and the most interceptions, way way beyond any of the defenders.

********, really bad news. Far more concerning than anything else I've read today on here.

[Ohio Saint]

Or 2nd or 3rd worst....I actually would like to stay in this division and I would imagine that NC does as well,although his ambitions seem to be a bit higher than mine.

 

Yeah, I forgot about 2nd or 3rd worst. I was just panicking a little.

 

I think all our ambitions are similar, however, our expectations are lower than the Don.

 

Smettila accoltellato me! La schiena fa male!

[Dalek2003]

I think people need to relax a little.

 

If we stay up this season I see it very much as a bonus.

 

Going down is not the disaster it was last time we got relegated from the Premier beacuse I am sure this time we have factored in the possibility and have a good solid plan to get back up again.

[Ohio Saint]

I'm relaxed. Just having to become more accustomed to losing.

[lordswoodsaints]

I think people need to relax a little.

 

If we stay up this season I see it very much as a bonus.

 

Going down is not the disaster it was last time we got relegated from the Premier beacuse I am sure this time we have factored in the possibility and have a good solid plan to get back up again.

 

I'm sorry but I don't buy into this 'going down is good' malarkey,if we go down we would lose a fare chunk of the decent players as they have now tasted the big time,going down would be a disaster....why not put all of your effort into staying up,call me old fashioned but staying up has got to be better than going down and hoping that we would instantly be transformed in the championships top dogs again.

[St Chalet]

We only have 1 Prem game in the next 3 weeks so hopefully Morgan will be back for the West Ham game. Today's result is no disgrace. We have had a very tough welcome to the league but I am convinced that on current showing West Ham, Reading, Norwich, Swansea, QPR, Wigan* and Villa are worse sides than us.

 

Ancient proverb, I don't have to outrun the tiger, I just need to out run you. We'll finish 14th to 17th.

 

 

 

 

 

* yes I know they beat us and we looked crap against them.

[St Chalet]

I'm sorry but I don't buy into this 'going down is good' malarkey,if we go down we would lose a fare chunk of the decent players as they have now tasted the big time,going down would be a disaster....why not put all of your effort into staying up,call me old fashioned but staying up has got to be better than going down and hoping that we would instantly be transformed in the championships top dogs again.

 

you have made Dalek's night by biting.

[Frank's cousin]

We end up buying players who want to come - what sort of world class players are battering down the doors of a newly promoted team in preference to established clubs with a chance of European football ? Ramirez, Mayuka, and Yoshida are all establlished internationals, Clyne is a great buy, J-Rod was hardly an unknown - and we must have had our reasons for getting him in so early in the window.

 

when Rickie Lambert was 21 - he was nowhere - lower league - he took a while to get to teh top of his game - we have bought in players like JRod, because they are young and promising - we work with them - and hopefully it works out -

 

We seem to have a prob;em of having a 20-30 minute spell in everygame (ebven against Villa) where we seem to switch off defensively - this may be a legacy of teh NPC when in most cases we were not punished... but this is a different class... we are not there yet - we seem to let in 2 or 3 before we wake up and by that time its over bar the shouting.

 

Depends what we are happy with - enjoying the ride and experience of watching what is pretty good attacking play, knowing we are going to be in for a few drubbings, or want 'grinding' out 0-0s away that entertain no one... I know which I prefer... and I reckon we will sort out the back eventually.

[Dalek2003]

I'm sorry but I don't buy into this 'going down is good' malarkey,if we go down we would lose a fare chunk of the decent players as they have now tasted the big time,going down would be a disaster....why not put all of your effort into staying up,call me old fashioned but staying up has got to be better than going down and hoping that we would instantly be transformed in the championships top dogs again.

Let me qualify. Staying up is obviously better than going down. Being relegated is not good, but I don't think it will be a disaster because I firmly believe that we will bounce back. I also believe that we will have plannwed for a possible relegation scemnario and that we will hold together most of the good young players because we have a long term plan.

We could even recall Billy Sharp if we wanted and i am sure that jay Rod would do wonders. We could lose Ramirez, but he would be a luxury player in the NPC.

So, relax.

[Frank's cousin]

I'm sorry but I don't buy into this 'going down is good' malarkey,if we go down we would lose a fare chunk of the decent players as they have now tasted the big time,going down would be a disaster....why not put all of your effort into staying up,call me old fashioned but staying up has got to be better than going down and hoping that we would instantly be transformed in the championships top dogs again.

 

Just as Dalek is typically ridiculous, suggest yours is also an over reaction 'disaster' it is not - if anything the prem is probably come a year too early in he squad development, but the test of Adkins is how quickly he and we learn - we are 6 games in - 32 to go - we will get better, will it be enough? Who knows, but what is it with fans that want everything instantly? we criticise young players for leaving for instant rewards or success, yet some fans expect the same. We all knew it would be a long hard season, and if these players and manager want to saty up then they need to graft and learn - they do that we survive, they dont we go down, but get all drama queen about relegation is a bit OTT. Surely teh last few seaosns have shown us that we can enjoy football whatever league we are in?

[Thedelldays]

Just as Dalek is typically ridiculous' date=' suggest yours is also an over reaction 'disaster' it is not - if anything the prem is probably come a year too early in he squad development, but the test of Adkins is how quickly he and we learn - we are 6 games in - 32 to go - we will get better, will it be enough? Who knows, but what is it with fans that want everything instantly? we criticise young players for leaving for instant rewards or success, yet some fans expect the same. We all knew it would be a long hard season, and if these players and manager want to saty up then they need to graft and learn - they do that we survive, they dont we go down, but get all drama queen about relegation is a bit OTT. Surely teh last few seaosns have shown us that we can enjoy football whatever league we are in?[/quote']

I never understand what a year too soon is..

 

we were top two all last season..every single day of last season....how is that being too soon for promotion..?

[Legod Third Coming]

Let me qualify. Staying up is obviously better than going down. Being relegated is not good, but I don't think it will be a disaster because I firmly believe that we will bounce back. I also believe that we will have plannwed for a possible relegation scemnario and that we will hold together most of the good young players because we have a long term plan.

We could even recall Billy Sharp if we wanted and i am sure that jay Rod would do wonders. We could lose Ramirez, but he would be a luxury player in the NPC.

So, relax.

 

We have spent £35m.

Going down would be a fecking disaster.

 

Top 6 spenders in the league, top ten in the whole of Europe by my estimate.

 

And you're thinking relegation is acceptable?

[Window Cleaner]

We have spent £35m.

Going down would be a fecking disaster.

 

Top 6 spenders in the league, top ten in the whole of Europe by my estimate.

 

And you're thinking relegation is acceptable?

 

35 million always seems like bit of an overestimate to me. 25 million is probably nearer the mark,still a lot of money though.

Edited 29 September, 2012 by Window Cleaner

[up and away]

That was Naive to the Nth degree. We knew beforehand all about their strength and our weaknesses yet totally disregarded this to follow Leeds example from a few days earlier. Someone forgot to inform Adkins that only 5 of those players were used against Leeds, with the rest being the same squad that got them to near the top of the Premier. We played some good, attractive football but their was only going to be one winner with our defence. For 10 minutes or so we caught Everton by surprise but they soon figured that out and just took us apart at leisure. The game was so open at periods it looked a straight forward bet on who had the better players and who could defend. We are not going to win that bet against Reading, let alone Everton.

 

We already know our defence needs to be backed up by the midfield so we can compete in games. Get control of the midfield and we can at least be competitive defensively but lacking threat. The trouble then is we don't have enough threat to compliment Ricky and we become marginalised as an attacking threat. Adkins had highlighted at the beginning of the season we would have to play on the counter to be effective. The trouble is you need pace to make that counter effective. We could still have been beaten what ever we did but not trying to keep things tight for the first half denied us any opportunity of developing things further. We shall have to see against Fulham how we now stand.