Thedelldays Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 we have set up...to do to everton (at goodison) what we did to the likes of coventry and derby last season... play with narrow wide players, two up top and let the full backs have free reign of the wings..... brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 How do we change it though...? Bearing in mind Puncheon is nursing a knock, or has been. TBH if he's nursing a knock he shouldn't be in the bench. We need to shore up midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 It's not the f()cking defence... It's the midfield in front... playing so narrow, committing themselves when they shouldn't, positionally naive... Everton are just moving the ball into the spaces we're not. As I said in the build up thread,the thought of JWP and Davis in CM all by themselves is shuddermaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 the whole set up of the team......our wide players are so narrow that it is leaving the full back so exposed....we are hardly keeping the ball up top either...which punch can do more than others.... it worked so bloody well 2nd half last week....and this clearly is not Thankyou!! You are on my wavelength. Get Rodriguez and Ramirez wide, push their full backs higher up the pitch to start with. When they attack drop back. 1 DM (Davis) holds his position while the other 2 CM's (JWP & Lallana) keep the shape and try to win the ball. Play the same formation we started the season. It is suited perfect for today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 TBH if he's nursing a knock he shouldn't be in the bench. We need to shore up midfield. Perhaps we don't have any other first teamables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 That's it now, I'm sick of that ****ing Dave Merrington banging on like he's some sort of Brian Clough like expert on managing in the Premier League, I'll be relying on the experts on here now for updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 Perhaps we don't have any other first teamables. Id rather have a youngster or SDR on the bench than someone who's unfit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 Thankyou!! You are on my wavelength. Get Rodriguez and Ramirez wide, push their full backs higher up the pitch to start with. When they attack drop back. 1 DM (Davis) holds his position while the other 2 CM's (JWP & Lallana) keep the shape and try to win the ball. Play the same formation we started the season. It is suited perfect for today. It's not about the formation, it's about the personnel operating it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 2 up front isn't working, i'd take JRod off and put Chaplow/Punch on, tell JWP and Davis to stay deeper and keep the ball better. Ramirez in the hole behind SRL. Adam has to do more work tracking back We aren't going to win this but if we get done 6-1 again ..... I truly hope someone is scouting defenders for January... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 It's not about the formation, it's about the personnel operating it. I think that's a fair assumption. We just don't have the depth when we have injuries, which isn't surprising really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 Just got in...so who`s fault is it then... Bound to be someone`s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 That's it now, I'm sick of that ****ing Dave Merrington banging on like he's some sort of Brian Clough like expert on managing in the Premier League, I'll be relying on the experts on here now for updates. If he knew what he was talking about he'd be earning a couple of million a year as a PL manager wouldn't he? Gets on my wick. A total dinosaur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 It's not about the formation, it's about the personnel operating it. I agree but the formation is totally wrong today. We knew about Everton's threat from wide positions so what do we do? Play with 3 narrow CM's and Ramirez floating around the pitch in a 'free role'. Get the formation right, and then for games like this, fit the players to it. Play Rodriguez out of postion, i couldnt care less as long as it puts more pressure on Baines / Pienaar than the current formation is. Fellaini is dropping into that hole where surprise surprise, we have no DM. play Davis DM and what he lacks in height, he should make up for in tenacity. This then leaves 2 CB's to track the single, loan striker who to be honest, is one of the best off the ball movers I've seen in a while. He only needs 1 touch when played in so need to keep an eye on him. Too simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 2 up front isn't working, i'd take JRod off and put Chaplow/Punch on, tell JWP and Davis to stay deeper and keep the ball better. Ramirez in the hole behind SRL. Adam has to do more work tracking back We aren't going to win this but if we get done 6-1 again ..... I truly hope someone is scouting defenders for January... It's all too easy to pick out the CB's, it's the entire team. We're way too easy to play against, however we setup. Naive in the middle, naive out wide. W-P is being eaten alive today, and being spat back out again by Fellani. I've probably used naive more than any other word on here in the last few months, but it's not changing which is the concerning thing. We're not learning on the basic situations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northant Saint Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 we are missing Schneiderlin so badly this game, he is just the player we need to shore things up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 Have to take our chances as well. JRod should have made it 2-0. Admittedly the stream I'm watching isn't very clear but it would be nice to not see the ball just given away after string a few passes together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 Just got in...so who`s fault is it then... Bound to be someone`s Probably the midfield. But the buck ultimately stops with the manager when it comes to formation I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 No changes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 Here we go then, 2nd half. Hope for a bit of a performance. I don't want to say damage limitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 29 September, 2012 Author Share Posted 29 September, 2012 Have to take our chances as well. JRod should have made it 2-0. Admittedly the stream I'm watching isn't very clear but it would be nice to not see the ball just given away after string a few passes together. And if he had we'd probably all be very happy now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 OK, Unrealistically optimistic hat on.....COYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 we are an expensive blackpool entertaining to watch. will score goals but will lose most weeks, ultimately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 And if he had we'd probably all be very happy now. that is like saying we would all be happy if everton had not scored 3....but they did. easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 I am going to say it... I am starting to this Adkins is out of his depth...... Yep...let`s sack him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 I don't get it- we just keep passing the ball forwards straight back to their defenders. Over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 we are an expensive blackpool entertaining to watch. will score goals but will lose most weeks, ultimately Worriyngly, we look much worse defensively than Blackpool ever looked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 On the plus side i've got Crouch, Jelavic, Ramirez, Fellaini and Baines in my Fantasy Football team :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 Probably the midfield. But the buck ultimately stops with the manager when it comes to formation I guess? But what do you expect from the manager? Davis and JWP in CM just won't work but does he have other options. Lalana and ramirez don't have defensive ability of any note and Chaplow would just get sent off. Without Morgan and Cork we are hopelessly short in CM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 Was wondering why punch was not playing we need pace on the right hand side, we need a mircale now, ref please give us a pen and send off one of there defenders and we might be ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 Worriyngly, we look much worse defensively than Blackpool ever looked. This is true, they looked a lot more solid than we do through the spine of the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 Worriyngly, we look much worse defensively than Blackpool ever looked. then relegation is pretty much a certainty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 18 goals conceded in 5 games, holy jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 When is Jos back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 Worriyngly, we look much worse defensively than Blackpool ever looked. You wont get much tougher games that away to Arsenal, Everton and Man City. They're the kind of fixtures Man Utd regularly lose, so lets give Adkins a chance to sort things out before we start comparing him to Holloway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 When is Jos back He's on the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 Evidently DM doesn't know about Puncheon's "knock" then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 But what do you expect from the manager? Davis and JWP in CM just won't work but does he have other options. Lalana and ramirez don't have defensive ability of any note and Chaplow would just get sent off. Without Morgan and Cork we are hopelessly short in CM. I'd have expected Chaplow to be given a chance. I refuse to believe that this time last year we'd have capitulated in the same way we have today. So how come we are weaker now? Players like Chaplow and Hammond are unglamorous but at least they work hard to win the ball back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 You wont get much tougher games that away to Arsenal, Everton and Man City. They're the kind of fixtures Man Utd regularly lose, so lets give Adkins a chance to sort things out before we start comparing him to Holloway. I agree with that, but it's the ease they score against us. Even villa managed to score easily, and could have had another 2. It's the pattern every week which is starting to worry me. We're nice to watch though, i'll give them that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 You wont get much tougher games that away to Arsenal, Everton and Man City. They're the kind of fixtures Man Utd regularly lose, so lets give Adkins a chance to sort things out before we start comparing him to Holloway. Have to say so far this season I think Everton are better than Arsenal, I may not be happy with what is happening but realistic enough to know that this was always likely to be the way things would go today, and that was before I found out Morgan was not playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 Wonderful take from Lambert to put Rodriguez through, but good defending by Jagielka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 I'd have expected Chaplow to be given a chance. I refuse to believe that this time last year we'd have capitulated in the same way we have today. So how come we are weaker now? Players like Chaplow and Hammond are unglamorous but at least they work hard to win the ball back. We didn't play Chaplow in CM last season either, that would be because he's not very good there. Takes a very special type of player to play CM in the PL these days. Like Morgan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 Wonderful take from Lambert to put Rodriguez through, but good defending by Jagielka lambert is clearly a premier league player...and a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 Nah it's not Adkins, it's having 2 key midfielders out at the same time and having to play a 17 year old lad. I just came online now and saw the score. Then I looked in on here. Seems to me there is a camp that is saying the defence cannot take any pressure, and a camp saying the set-up allows too much pressure to come on to the defence anyway. What I am wondering is, when we've spent 30m on the midfield and front line during the summer, why we need to revert to a 17yr old kid when 2 midfielders are injured anyway. Seems to me our game plan and formation is aimed at hitting 20 past Everton, and forgets the need to stand up to them just in case they havent rolled over for a tummy-tickling. Ergo, NA has it wrong again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 Cork and Morgan are sorely missed. They win the ball and keep possesssion. JWP is not ready and Davies wasnt good enough last time he was in the prem. To put them in a 442 is/was footballing suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 And you wonder why people critisie you alpine? You have been no where to be seen for a week since we won. Now you're back. Go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 Wonderful take from Lambert to put Rodriguez through, but good defending by Jagielka And Saints Player is 2 minutes back again. I'm going to ask for a discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 And you wonder why people critisie you alpine? You have been no where to be seen for a week since we won. Now you're back. Go away. This... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 I'm sorry but I don't think Lallana is the right choice as Captain. Doesn't seem vocal enough or like he has the ability to shout at his teammates, organise and grab the game by the b0llocks and try to affect it. Someone like Lambert would be my choice if I'm honest with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 And you wonder why people critisie you alpine? You have been no where to be seen for a week since we won. Now you're back. Go away. You complete and utter ****. I've been seriously ill following an operation, but I got myself to a PC to praise the team for winning on one occasion. Today I hauled myself to the PC again to see if they could turn in a repeat performance, and simply comment on the score and ongoing discussion on here - once. Why dont you grow up a bit ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 29 September, 2012 Share Posted 29 September, 2012 Well, at least we are getting the ball more now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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