Thedelldays Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 we can't go into 6 games out of five letting in 2 goals...or we are down..simple as that
Dalek2003 Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 Need to bring in Chaplow to shore things up. It is a brutal league.
BotleySaint Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 Midfield has a lot to answer for so far. Not getting any tackles in and passing the ball straight to their defenders when coming forwards.
Edmonton Saint Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 Our defence seems unable to cope with any sort of pressure against them. Everton haven't even built up a head of steam, yet we are now 3-1 down. Basics.
VectisSaint Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 We are getting murdered. As expected, apart from first 20 minutes which was a shock, can't see why anyone is surprised. We were going to struggle before we lost Morgan, Everton are very very good this season (Leeds notwithstanding) and we have set up wrong for them, with no height in the middle and our best (in terms of pace) full back on the wrong side, no disrespect to Frazer who I like). Should have played Jos in the middle and Yosh as LB. But as I said we are buggered without Spiderman (and Cork) anyway.
S-Clarke Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 This could be whatever score Everton want, let's be honest. Depressing, I hoped we'd give a decent account of ourselves today. Still time i guess, but the damage is being done.
Thedelldays Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 and really, to change from the team that started the 2nd half last weekend is stupid....morgan, granted
Northant Saint Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 we seem so stretched every time they pick up the ball
mulletsaint Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 Well everyone was saying how happy they were to have 2 up front again before the match. Jesus 4-4-2? Really? Guess NA felt his hand was forced by the CM injuries but not happy. Moan all you like about the defence but we have too many similar players in CM and none who can take a game by the scruff of the neck.
itchen_dan Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 we seem so stretched every time they pick up the ball Because we're playing with no wide men. Meaning 1 of the CM's has to pull wide leaving 2 getting overrun. Too simple for NA to see by the look of it.
S-Clarke Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 and really, to change from the team that started the 2nd half last weekend is stupid....morgan, granted I think alot of it is to compensate for the loss of Morgan, I've not really got an issue with the selection. It would be the same whoever we play, as we're too naive. We're turning into the whipping boys of the league.
Window Cleaner Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 I think alot of it is to compensate for the loss of Morgan, I've not really got an issue with the selection. It would be the same whoever we play, as we're too naive. We're turning into the whipping boys of the league. But why drop Puncheon?
VectisSaint Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 and really, to change from the team that started the 2nd half last weekend is stupid....morgan, granted So you think J-Rod up front instead of Punch is the reason we are losing 3-1 (Morgan aside)?
Thedelldays Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 Because we're playing with no wide men. Meaning 1 of the CM's has to pull wide leaving 2 getting overrun. Too simple for NA to see by the look of it. just insane...our wide players are too flair players who are going looking for the ball its stuff like this that will get adkins the chop....just ridiculous this is not the NPC when we can give up certain areas of the pitch because we are so dominant in others...ffs
S-Clarke Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 But why drop Puncheon? He has been nursing a knock, alongside Morgan.
trousers Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 We're not closing Everton down in midfield at all
Saint_clark Posted 29 September, 2012 Author Posted 29 September, 2012 It's amazing how often it swaps between "we are screwed without Yoshida/Morgan/Ramirez/Lallana/Lambert".
JoeShmoe Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 We should have played Fonte as a defensive CM and Jos at the back. Without Cork/Morgan we have no-one in front of the back 4. I thought Davis was better than this as well, he should have the experience to stay deeper
Thedelldays Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 So you think J-Rod up front instead of Punch is the reason we are losing 3-1 (Morgan aside)? the whole set up of the team......our wide players are so narrow that it is leaving the full back so exposed....we are hardly keeping the ball up top either...which punch can do more than others.... it worked so bloody well 2nd half last week....and this clearly is not
Julian H. Cope Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 Midfield is non existent. Getting mullered.
Window Cleaner Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 He has been nursing a knock, alongside Morgan. OK thanks.
BotleySaint Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 We did well to keep the score down before half time. No-one marking anyone on any of those corners.
Thedelldays Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 It's amazing how often it swaps between "we are screwed without Yoshida/Morgan/Ramirez/Lallana/Lambert". why is it amazing?
Leicestersaint Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 "Everton are running Southampton ragged" I thought we played very well last week.
Ohio Saint Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 On reflection, I think it's a good thing I've been unable to see most of it.
Thedelldays Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 I am going to say it... I am starting to this Adkins is out of his depth......
Saint_clark Posted 29 September, 2012 Author Posted 29 September, 2012 why is it amazing? Because every week it's a different player that we simply can't do without.
JoeShmoe Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 Adkins cannot be blind enough not to change this? If we stay as we are it'll be 6 or 7
badgerx16 Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 We scored 4 in the 2nd half last week............
VectisSaint Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 It's amazing how often it swaps between "we are screwed without Yoshida/Morgan/Ramirez/Lallana/Lambert". Has anyone really said this season we are screwed without Yoshida, Ramirez, Lallana or Lambert (maybe we would be but we haven't really had that opportunity). But anyone who thinks we can do without our most influential player would be crazy.
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 I am going to say it... I am starting to this Adkins is out of his depth...... Bedwetter. It's our ****e defence that's out of it's depth.
Lazlo78 Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 It seems once we let one goal in we just totally crumble. Happened against Arsenal, Man Utd (their 2 late goals) and now Everton. We have no strength at this forum. No leadership. Just lambs to the slaughter.. doesn't matter how good we are in the pre-match thread. Agree. We do seem to collapse rather easily in here...
Thedelldays Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 Because every week it's a different player that we simply can't do without. I would suggest it is like that for most teams...
Aura Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 Top half from gazza though cant fault him for our defense being ****e. colour me impressed.
adrian lord Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 We are haunted by the shortcomings of our transfer window, and hence, our defence.
S-Clarke Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 Adkins cannot be blind enough not to change this? If we stay as we are it'll be 6 or 7 How do we change it though...? Bearing in mind Puncheon is nursing a knock, or has been.
Saint_clark Posted 29 September, 2012 Author Posted 29 September, 2012 Still hate Zonal marking. I have to say that I think this is a major part of us conceding so many goals, not just the personnel. However after having spent all pre-season training on it, it isn't going to change.
dubai_phil Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 Unreal so everyonr else left pub. THEN they decided to **** around snd lost our game. On way home now grr Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2
MOSaint Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 As soon as Everton equalised it we just capitulated and started to embarrass ourselves. Lallana needs to give Clyne some support, Coleman and Mirallas are often 2 on 1 with Clyne and we've paid for it. Hopefully we can try to pass it 2nd half, far to many hopeless long balls and aimless early crosses.
S-Clarke Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 I have to say that I think this is a major part of us conceding so many goals, not just the personnel. However after having spent all pre-season training on it, it isn't going to change. Zonal marking is such a weird one. All I've ever seen it do is equate to more goals conceded by anyone who ever tries it. Why even bother...? Weird setup.
Window Cleaner Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 I am going to say it... I am starting to this Adkins is out of his depth...... Nah it's not Adkins, it's having 2 key midfielders out at the same time and having to play a 17 year old lad.
Cascadia Saint Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 We need to spend half time digging a giant moat outside the penalty area. It's the only way.
Crab Lungs Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 You can't blame the defence.. It's the midfield in front of them... playing so narrow, committing themselves when they shouldn't, positionally naive... Everton are just moving the ball into the spaces that we're not. Arrrrgh, brutal league. Could be a lot easier if you do the simple things right though...
BotleySaint Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 Agree. We do seem to collapse rather easily in here... hehe indeed. We all hope at the start for something special and end up being easily defeated as the goals fly in against
pingwing Posted 29 September, 2012 Posted 29 September, 2012 Adkins can sort this out, but it really needs JWP and Davis to do their jobs properly, we're stuck punting it from our own half to their box because there's just no one in the middle. Can't win games playing like the Scottish ruby team
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